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Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 5:53:13 PM   
littlecrankshaf



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Status: offline 		Well now, what do you think?

Mark has respectfully answered some tough questions with out the need to qualify the persons asking. He has answered all queries and hasn’t any red Zeros in his reply column. Even though the PPP is sort of his baby he went on to illuminate the fact that is costing us considerably. I can truly respect that.

Horrace has failed to answer many questions mostly due to his personal prerequisites. He has many Zeros in his reply column. It is most unfortunate since I truly would like to rally behind him and ask him a few questions. I know it could never happen since Horrace will stick to his guns to the bitter end no matter what but if he somehow he could find the strength to acquiesce and consider something greater than his views I think he would be great asset for us.

As of now, my vote will have to go to Mark.


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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 6:02:16 PM   
804


 

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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf

Well now, what do you think?

Mark has respectfully answered some tough questions with out the need to qualify the persons asking. He has answered all queries and hasn’t any red Zeros in his reply column. Even though the PPP is sort of his baby he went on to illuminate the fact that is costing us considerably. I can truly respect that.

Horrace has failed to answer many questions mostly due to his personal prerequisites. He has many Zeros in his reply column. It is most unfortunate since I truly would like to rally behind him and ask him a few questions. I know it could never happen since Horrace will stick to his guns to the bitter end no matter what but if he somehow he could find the strength to acquiesce and consider something greater than his views I think he would be great asset for us.

As of now, my vote will have to go to Mark.



I'm with you here, LCS. I'm impressed with Mark's apparent honesty and respectful demeanor.

I too would like to support Horrace, if he wasn't such a...Hossfly.

But I may still, I haven't fully decided yet. Waiting on my ballot.

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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 6:15:50 PM   
Bob Mitchell


 

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ORIGINAL: 804


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf

Well now, what do you think?

Mark has respectfully answered some tough questions with out the need to qualify the persons asking. He has answered all queries and hasn’t any red Zeros in his reply column. Even though the PPP is sort of his baby he went on to illuminate the fact that is costing us considerably. I can truly respect that.

Horrace has failed to answer many questions mostly due to his personal prerequisites. He has many Zeros in his reply column. It is most unfortunate since I truly would like to rally behind him and ask him a few questions. I know it could never happen since Horrace will stick to his guns to the bitter end no matter what but if he somehow he could find the strength to acquiesce and consider something greater than his views I think he would be great asset for us.

As of now, my vote will have to go to Mark.



I'm with you here, LCS. I'm impressed with Mark's apparent honesty and respectful demeanor.

I too would like to support Horrace, if he wasn't such a...Hossfly.

But I may still, I haven't fully decided yet. Waiting on my ballot.

I got my ballot in the mail today.

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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 6:56:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Clearly Mark Smith is man for AMA EVP. His answers are clear and not demeaning. He has the respect of the EC and his District.
Cain on the otherhand failed to even mention in his MA Campaign Statement he was a former AMA Dist VP. You would certainly think when you are addressing the AMA voting membership in the Official AMA magazine that you would want them to know your past AMA affilation. I take his campaign statement as it stands. He does not provide any info about his AMA experience not even at club level. So those ( unless they have personal knowledge) reading it will conclude he has never been involved with AMA other than as a member. Inexperience is not something AMA needs in the #2 position. That is what you are left with , no experience . His Campaign statement in MA is his offical statement to all voting members of his qualification to be AMA EVP. What he states in RCU and other fourms is read by very few of 150,000 plus AMA members.

As a side note I gave my neighbor the magazine and asked him to read both campaigh statements. Based on the information provided he chose Smith. When asked why he said it did not appear the other guy had any experience.

I will vote for Mark Smith.

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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 7:03:29 PM   
rcmiket


 

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Status: offline 		"I'm with you here, LCS. I'm impressed with Mark's apparent honesty and respectful demeanor.

I too would like to support Horrace, if he wasn't such a...Hossfly."

Well said. Mike

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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 7:48:37 PM   
Stickbuilder



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Status: offline 		My only problem with Mark is that he is very close with the Executive Committee. Do we want an insider there, or do we want a watchdog, that is not a lapdog? If we had a person such as this serving as the EVP, would we have gotten the PPP rammed down our throats? Perhaps, but would it not have been more difficult? I know that some of you are very pro PPP, but it's not paying it's own freight, and the prospects of it doing so for several years look very bleak.

On another issue, there is too much that is done in the various committees that are played too close to the vest, and keeping the identies of the various committee members secret, or concealed is not my idea of accountability.

The third issue that immediately comes to mind is the melding of the two powerhouses in the retail/wholesale part of the hobby getting into bed with the AMA, and perhaps (I didn't say that they were actually doing it) deciding how the PPP should be admisistered, and deciding which models qualify for that tier of membership to be able to use. On the surface, it could appear that these manufacturers/distributors would be profiting from this arrangement, at the expense of other manufacturers.

Guys, you may not like Horrace as a person, and I'll be the first to admit that he can be abrasive, but I still wonder what is the agenda of each one of the candidates?

We won't have many opportunities to want to talk with the EVP. He won't be your DVP (who should be getting these questions), but you guys probably want to have a one on one with the guys who are running for the office of POTUS too.

What I am trying to say is that I don't want a nice guy watching over the AMA, I want a hard nosed, crusty S.O.B. that can't be pushed around, and who does not owe his allegience to anyone on the Executive Committee. I would like to see the staff work for the Executive Committee, rather than having an E.C. that feels that they must do what the staff says. Someone needs to remember who works for whom.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 8:00:57 PM   
Red Scholefield



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Status: offline 		Bill, I think I know where you are coming from - you are still smarting over no AMA representation at Top Gun. And from reading some of your posts the only real modelers are those that build giant scale gas models from scratch. That fits the Horrace Cain (my way is the only way) mold perfectly. Horrace has made frequent referance to how screwed up the officers of of his own club, Jetero R/C are - while he doesn't seem to have the leadership qualities to get them back on the track he would prefer. I sincerely hope that the majority of voting AMA members will want to see someone elected to the EVP position that is a team player that can help move the AMA in the right direction.

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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 8:07:58 PM   
STLPilot


 

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Status: offline 		One side represents a person who wants to win and has the experience to get the job done.

The other side personal agendas and the poster child representation of how to throw your own election in the trash.

You pick who goes where.

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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 9:53:29 PM   
Red Scholefield



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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

What I am trying to say is that I don't want a nice guy watching over the AMA, I want a hard nosed, crusty S.O.B. that can't be pushed around, and who does not owe his allegience to anyone on the Executive Committee. I would like to see the staff work for the Executive Committee, rather than having an E.C. that feels that they must do what the staff says. Someone needs to remember who works for whom.

Bill, AMA 4720


What you are saying is you want someone constantly playing the gotcha game with the EC and Muncie staff. You picked the right man for that.




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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 10:06:33 PM   
Stickbuilder



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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

What I am trying to say is that I don't want a nice guy watching over the AMA, I want a hard nosed, crusty S.O.B. that can't be pushed around, and who does not owe his allegience to anyone on the Executive Committee. I would like to see the staff work for the Executive Committee, rather than having an E.C. that feels that they must do what the staff says. Someone needs to remember who works for whom.

Bill, AMA 4720

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Original: Red Scholefield

What you are saying is you want someone constantly playing the gotcha game with the EC and Muncie staff. You picked the right man for that.
Red Scholefield
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No Red,

If that is what I wanted, I would write in your name. Only, you would be playing the gotcha game with the membership, and if the Executive Committee stopped quickly, you would need to have your head surgically removed from one of the committee member's prosterior.

Bill, AMA 4720



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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 11:15:30 PM   
The Toolman


 

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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf

Well now, what do you think?

Mark has respectfully answered some tough questions with out the need to qualify the persons asking. He has answered all queries and hasn’t any red Zeros in his reply column. Even though the PPP is sort of his baby he went on to illuminate the fact that is costing us considerably. I can truly respect that.

Horrace has failed to answer many questions mostly due to his personal prerequisites. He has many Zeros in his reply column. It is most unfortunate since I truly would like to rally behind him and ask him a few questions. I know it could never happen since Horrace will stick to his guns to the bitter end no matter what but if he somehow he could find the strength to acquiesce and consider something greater than his views I think he would be great asset for us.

As of now, my vote will have to go to Mark.





All but one of those zeros are questions from stl. Now, would you bother answering him, since he probably can't vote anyhow? You know as well as I do, he is just stirring the pot on Hoss's forum.

Looks to me like your just trying to make Hoss look bad, IMO




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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/26/2008 11:26:13 PM   
Mr67Stang



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Status: offline 		Many of the questions on Hoss's forum are not more than him saying he will not answer the question because the name or AMA # or blood type was not posted.

I got my ballot today...

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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/27/2008 12:04:47 AM   
combatpigg



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Status: online 		My impression is that the focus of many has not been on who has the most workable plan to strengthen the AMA, it's more about superficial stuff and old grudges.
We've witnessed the anti-Hossers present an elaborate fairytale about his non involvement with the frequency deal.
We saw Hoss produce evidence in short order that he was wrongly accused.
We saw Mark asked about how much his PPP has spent to date, how much has been budgeted.
The answers to those questions should have been right at his fingertips, but they weren't, nor have all the questions been satisfactorily answered yet.

I see where BillyH is endorsing MarkS based on his involvement with PB functions and I'll guess also because Mark can do better blenders than Hoss.

My impression is that political corresctness counts for more with many here than substance, ability, know-how, vision, honesty, etc.
That is what the real issue here is, Hoss is less politically correct than the other guy and that carries more weight with the tire kickers who can't even figure out how to pop the hood.

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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/27/2008 1:14:58 AM   
The Toolman


 

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ORIGINAL: Mr67Stang

Many of the questions on Hoss's forum are not more than him saying he will not answer the question because the name or AMA # or blood type was not posted.

I got my ballot today...



Ahhhhh, this is in reply to the red zeros post, not about what he did or didn't answer to.

No ballots here either.



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RE: Candidate forum impressions - 9/27/2008 1:27:06 AM