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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/4/2009 9:08 PM   
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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/5/2009 4:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just got mine today. It looks fantastic and I can't wait to start the build. I will be going electric with two Eflite Power 60 motos (1200 watts each) on two 6S 5000 mah packs. I will get more than 120 watts per pound which should be fine for this plane. Two Power 110 motors would be way too much. A friend had two 60s on his Top Flight B25 and it had plenty of power. This plane should be about the same wieght and a much better wing loading than the B25.


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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/5/2009 4:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am far from a scale nut and am not trashing the quality of present arf's or turning this into a discussion on their quality.I'm actually quite happy with them,I also like this 110.My only point is that on a comparitive scale of the arfs from most of the popular makers I fail to see why KMP's prices are as high as they are.I like many of their offerings but am also a wise shopper. If there is something I dont like about an ARF I will change it or live with it.You seem to take way to much offense to anybody saying anything even slightly negitive about KMP. I'm happy with the planes I've gotten from CMP and see little differance in Quality from KMP. The BF109 I bought from CMP in my opinion looks much better than KMP's . MY OPINION AND THATS ALL.If KMP's planes were more reasonably priced I would be a customer.My 109 is powered by an RCV120SP it cost me 379.95 If I bought the same engine from KMP at 439.95 would it be a better engine,I'm sure some of the people on this site would say YES. Thats up to you.But as for me I'm done with this school yard mine is better than yours mentality. If you like what you paid for good for you and best of luck with it. No hard feelings on my part and hope none on yours.
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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/5/2009 5:32 AM   
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When I ordered my 110, I talked to a man named Guss. He told me about some new gas engines they sell. I believe they are called Aerovate. They have a 26 cc that will fit in the 110. There is also a pitts muffeler available for them. They sell for $229 apiece, thats about half the price of a four stroke. Has anyone tried one of these engines yet? I am seriously considering getting a couple after I get the plane paid for.

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/5/2009 1:21 PM   
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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/5/2009 7:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have and had both CMP and KMP. Two of the CMP planes had to have all the plywood bracing inside re-glued as it was so brittle it just broke off from the fuze. I also had one that the glass was so thin it flexed while it flew and cracked all the paint off. The paint on the wings also flaked off after a flight. And let's not even start with the instruction manuals They are ok for the price, but not even close for the scale and painted on markings that come on the KMP planes. Also, how many planes does CMP offer? KMP has over two dozen different models to choose from in civilian and military. The KMP planes require no modification for retracts and offer great customer service. The only decent CMP plane I had was the Zero.

CMP:
2 x P40 - part didn't fit, paint and glue issues. Flight issues on one too because of a warped wing.
Hellcat - parts didn't fit, paint and glue issues. CG in manual was way off.
Zero - CG was way off, but after some adjustment is flew great. Paint chipped off easily.
AT6 - missing parts and problems with the glue and paint.


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Stuka - no problems
Bearcat - a rocket
P51B - flys great and looks fantastic
Me-110 - just got this one, but it looks awsome
Hurricane - can't wait

The CMP planes are fine for what they are, inexpensive weekend flyers that with some work can be made to look nice. KMP have excellent planes that are very scale right out of the box. Their customer service is excellent and they are always ready to help you with issues.



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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/5/2009 8:09 PM   
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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 4:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chiming in on the motors here regarding electric setups. The comment was made that two e-flite power 110's are way TOO much for this plane and a few persons compared the power output of two power 60's in a TF B-25. Ok...yes the power 60's will fly this ME-110, BUT, and this is a big BUT.....this plane is NOT a bomber. Its a fighter/night fighter/ground attack plane. Having more power then a B-25 would be absolutely correct. Im not saying power 60's are too wimpy, but power 110's are NOT going to be too much if the owner wants scale fast flyby's.

What Power 110's will do for Gamby and someone else thinking of using similar power motors...is allow them to swing BIGGER more scale multi-blade props. A power 60 can do a 14x7x3......but will not be able to turn a 15.75x13x3 with enough RPMs to make use of the prop. So, the power difference between a power 60 and 110 is what allows this. Even a Power 110 can be run on 6s.
here's an example.....turnigy 6364-230kv motor on 6s spinning a 20x15 prop. That turnigy motor is about the same as a power 160 if running on 10s and an 18x12 prop. But...you up the pitch and diameter and lower the cell count(although at the cost of amp draw)...you get the same basic speed but a bigger scale prop.

Now...for ME.....I am also doing similar to Gamby. Not using power 110's with 1200 watt output, but rather the turnigy 6354-230kv motors spinning 15.75x13x3 props on 10s. Yup...I said 10s. I could do it on 6s too, but....hell...i want speed So....the 6364-230 motor is outputting 2000 watts per motor on 10s. Yup....Ill have the fastest KMP Me-110 out there.

Gamby...for ESC's you can get two turnigy 2-12s sentilion 100 amp controllers for $100 each through hobbycity. I have 3 of them and all work flawlessly. One is in my CMP Me-109 hooked up to a turnigy SK 6364-230 producing 2600 watts on 10s with an 18x12. Yup...more then minimum required for a 17 pound plane.....but man does it look frackin sweet on a low fast flyby.

BTW...just picked up my KMP ME-110 today at LHS

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 5:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would like to order one of these but there not listed on kmp web site or do they have a company that handles it in the states? Does anyone know if they still offer it without the hornet paint job.

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 5:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes it is listed on their website and KMP is the distributor in the USA. VQwarbirds also carries them for KMP.

Here is direct link to the webpage the ME-110 is on:
http://www.kmp.ca/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=210&osCsid=fe12eb9f9976d0d0c0b76e9e4237cdf3

Its also listed under Classic Aircraft.

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 6:02 AM   
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TOMAS HERE FROM VQ WARBIRDS..

HERE IS THE LINK.. we have them instock.. ready to ship to you:

http://www.vqwarbirds.com/products/aircraft/KMPBF110.html

We are here in TEXAS!

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 6:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bokis

I have flown roughly 10 different KMP aircrafts and for me they are perfect,love my DC3,the best twin I have flown..
So I have ordered one of these and I dont think i will be dissapointed..
Reading Evil Merlins post´s are like reading same thing,over and over again how horribly wrong everything is,it really doesent matter the topic,the main thing is bashing KMP..It´s getting boring(understatement)..
For me these are "bang for the buck",I am a not a very good builder,this is my opurtunity to fly the aircrafts I like..
So i´m going to try this one as well with a couple of 91 FS and it´s going to be fun as well!
By the way,i would also be interested in pictures of Mr Merlins Hangar..
//Bokis


Take a look at what he's got posted with his profile...

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 11:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mmm..Lots of aircrafts..But I can´t find a single picture of a finished aircraft that i know i his ,MobyAl..Perhaps the Stuka?
The thing is,I seem to recognize this discussion,call it dejavú or whatever..We have the same lovely RC flyers at our fileds here
in Sweden that knows how everything should be done ..They almost scared me away from this fantastic hobby when I first got interested!but i survived!
So I am still looking forward to get my 110 and is it anywhere near my DC3 or B-25 to fly it should be a hit,I buy these aircrafts för the fun of flying them and in my eyes they look pretty nice in the air where they belong..

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 5:05 PM   
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Has anyone who received theri 110 yet started building? Any pics? Also, anyone thought of gas engines? I have considered this but if it means hacking up the cowls too much...well not worth it. Anyone have the diameter of the cowls?

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 8:49 PM   
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here is the link.. YOU should be able to hide 4 stroke engines in there like the RCV 91-CDs and RCV130-Cds ...
or the SP series... then of course electric too...

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8434055

this should bring you up to speed...

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 9:35 PM   
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When I ordered my 110, I talked to a fellow named Gus, heck of a nice guy. I told him that I was considering using 91 four strokes in mine. He said that they would be very marginal. He recomended the Aerovate 26cc gassers you sell. Could you shed a little light on these engines, as to how they will fit in the cowls, and what type of muffelers they will need.

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/7/2009 10:21 PM   
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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/8/2009 12:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I ordered one without the wasp decal on it, but when the box came, it had the damn thing on it. I called Andrew K right from the hobby shop I was picking it up from and he did his best to apologize for the error. I dont blame him, but I do fault the shipping crew on the docks. Andrew told me only 3 were made without the decal, so there is at least one out there not spoken for now(unless it was wrongly shippedto someone else...which is possible). Anyhow..me and Andrew came to terms over what to do and i wont go into that.
So....now i have the plane with a wasp on it so Im gonna have to find a decent paint job to cover it up while still hopefully keeping the wings paint free. Or...i could simply do it as an eastern front winter white camo version....but that would require painting the wings too.

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/8/2009 6:41 AM   
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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/8/2009 8:10 AM   
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I've got one comming but I thought Andrew said they had fixed that big white patch under the wasps antennae?

Hey Manfred,
Don't know if you got yours yet, but they did fix the big white spot - at least on one side!!!
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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/8/2009 4:28 PM   
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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/8/2009 6:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have asked before, I'll ask again. Please stay on topic! If you have questions/comments on this particular aircraft (BF-110, remember?), please feel free to post them in this thread. If you have "general" comments regarding CMP vs. KMP or the general state of ARF's in this industry, please seek out those threads that discuss those issues and feel free to post there, not here!

I have removed several posts by various authors. I believe I've notified you all as to why. If not, I apologize but unfortunately you did not give me a simple task. I did not remove all posts, for fear if I did it would start new discussions in these areas that are to be avoided in this thread. Again, please resist the urge!

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/8/2009 7:39 PM   
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How hard would it be to sand the fuse and wings down a bit for repaint?


The wings are not fiberglass so sanding them down isnt an option. The point i was making is that I was not intending to paint the plane at all since I had ordered it without the wasp decal. Now that I have the plane and mine DOES have the wasp on it, I have to figure out what COLOR scheme to go with and how best to cover up the wasp. I was wanting to AVOID painting the wings to avoid the additonal weight since I will have more battery in this plane then anyone.

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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/8/2009 9:19 PM   
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If you bring the fuse to a local PPG jobber they can thae a picture of the colors with a special camera they have and make the formulas you need on the 110. I have had exellent results doing this on some of my stuff. I use Concept single stage.It can be mixed as flat as you need it, is very durable and sprays good through an airbrush.you should be able to blend out the wasp without to much trouble. Hope this will help
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RE: KMP Bf-110 Nothing like Twins - 2/8/2009 11:12 PM   
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Kahloq
If you bring the fuse to a local PPG jobber they can thae a picture of the colors with a special camera they have and make the formulas you need on the 110. I have had exellent results doing this on some of my stuff. I use Concept single stage.It can be mixed as flat as you need it, is very durable and sprays good through an airbrush.you should be able to blend out the wasp without to much trouble. Hope this will help
Tim


Home Depot can do that to. In fact, thats where ive gone for some of the paint Im using on the KMP B-25. I only use exterior type paint from Homedepot because the premium kind has primer already in it and can be mixed flat too....plus its flexible and wont crack.
Ive used that stuff before on glow planes and it hasnt come off yet. That being said, any paint I do add would be overcaoted with a fuel proof flat clear coat(or two)

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