RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine    Gallery
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as Guest



Users viewing this topic: none
    Search This Thread  
 
Printable Version

All Forums >> Radios, Batteries, Clubhouse and more >> The Clubhouse >> RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine
Page: <<   < prev  13 14 [15] 16 17 18 19 20 21 22   next >   >>  

Tower Hobbies Get Coupon Codes Brands  
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/22/2011 1:21 AM   
Muddiman



Posts: 52
Score: 100
Joined: 5/2/2005
Last Login: 5/23/2013
From: St. Cloud, FL, USA
Status: offline 		Laserworks was in the wrong cutting the kits as he did not have my premission or East R/C who had the contract at the time.

_____________________________

Don Muddiman
www.eagle-i.us/fm

Hide Signatures

(in reply to mwhar760)
       Post #: 351

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/22/2011 2:22 AM   
mwhar760



Posts: 356
Score: 100
Joined: 1/8/2005
Last Login: 5/20/2013
From: weatherford, TX, USA
Status: offline 		well that explains it!!!!  so i'm guessing you still have the copyright???? if so cool !!!!the first and lastime i seen you fly was at a byron show years ago and one of the f-15 would'nt run right and you only  flew one!!!! seen you do your famous flight with the machine pretty cool back then!!!!if i remember the weather was rainy!!!!!question i want to ask is can you still do it!!!!!!!????? you a good pilot !!!!!!kudos on a good design!!!!! by the way i have had 3 over the years!!!!

_____________________________

Founder (of nothing)
Building a hangar 1 stick at a time!!!

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Muddiman)
       Post #: 352

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/22/2011 3:52 AM   
greg d


 

Posts: 31
Score: 105
Joined: 4/28/2008
Last Login: 2/13/2013
From: newton, NC, USA
Status: offline 		ok whats up with the dates of these posts there from 2008?

Hide Signatures

(in reply to firstplaceaviator)
       Post #: 353

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/22/2011 12:49 PM   
Nitro-Tom



Posts: 574
Score: 120
Joined: 7/30/2007
Last Login: 5/15/2013
From: South Florida, FL, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: greg d

ok whats up with the dates of these posts there from 2008?



This plane has been around since just after Christ

it has quite a following and is finally going to be available to the masses as an ARF......so that is good.

we need some fresh blood in this thread, so welcome!

Rich and I need some more guys with a FM at Markham Park...... Where you guys at?



Attachments
Click to see fullsize image.
Click for fullsize


_____________________________

Nitro - Tom
General R/C Addict

Hide Signatures

(in reply to greg d)
       Post #: 354

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/22/2011 1:54 PM   
mercura


 

Posts: 57
Score: 100
Joined: 11/21/2006
Last Login: 5/24/2013
From: Co. Leitrim, IRELAND
Status: offline 		Hi All,
Just started to build my FM from plans. Great to see it will soon be an ARF so many more can enjoy
Dave

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Nitro-Tom)
       Post #: 355

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/22/2011 4:44 PM   
RC MANIAC119


 

Posts: 930
Score: 100
Joined: 11/3/2003
Last Login: 5/20/2013
From: muskegon, MI, USA
Status: offline 		Hmmmm.....looks like we have the makings of a World Wide Movement, and once those ARF's hit the tarmac ( a sick pun)
.....this thing is sure to go ballistic!!( another sick pun)....LOL

I think we need a new Website...
The Flying Machine Brotherhood!!!!!!!

The FMB....I like it!!!

_____________________________

RC MANIAC-PRO BRO 1900-AMA# 95841

Hide Signatures

(in reply to mercura)
       Post #: 356

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 1:50 AM   
mr.snaproll



Posts: 17
Score: 100
Joined: 9/24/2005
Last Login: 5/23/2013
From: Kalamazoo, MI, USA
Status: offline 		I agree. The Flying Machine brotherhood is on


_____________________________

Andy "Mr. Snaproll" Gideon
"We build em to fly em, but when we fly em were gonna break em"

Hide Signatures

(in reply to RC MANIAC119)
       Post #: 357

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 11:19 AM   
pmarkey


 

Posts: 13
Score: 100
Joined: 10/3/2004
Last Login: 5/25/2013
From: Exeter, NH, USA
Status: offline 		Fred

Will the ARF have dual Aileron servos, or will it be true to the original plans of a single aileron servo?

Thanks in advance

Paul

Hide Signatures

(in reply to mr.snaproll)
       Post #: 358

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 1:27 PM   
Nitro-Tom



Posts: 574
Score: 120
Joined: 7/30/2007
Last Login: 5/15/2013
From: South Florida, FL, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: pmarkey

Fred

Will the ARF have dual Aileron servos, or will it be true to the original plans of a single aileron servo?

Thanks in advance

Paul


outstanding question as I would say that was the no 1 mod from the OEM design.

The belcranks are "Old School" and now that digital servos are so cheap, I like the dual servo setup for sure......

I have actually landed an Extra with one aileron (Not easy) but saved the plane

Count me in on the brotherhood!

-Tom

Signature update = Flying Machine Brotherhood Member 119!


_____________________________

Nitro - Tom
General R/C Addict

Hide Signatures

(in reply to pmarkey)
       Post #: 359

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 3:35 PM   
Condor060



Posts: 441
Score: 156
Joined: 6/24/2009
Last Login: 4/9/2013
From: Monroe, NC, USA
Status: offline 		Ahh yes, the old bell cranks. THe kit will have dual Aileron servos. I was just talking to an old friend the other day about flying Byron Models in the early 80s with those Kraft servos. How did we ever survive without a ga-billion oz of torque and .04 servo speeds or a Flying Machine with one lonely 30 oz torque plastic geared servo with bell cranks. Even the 1/5 scale Byron Mustang, Christen Eagle, and F-16 only had a single servo for Ailerons, elevator, and rudder. Push pull, what was that???? As you can imagine (Flutter) was the biggest problem we had to overcome on the big models.

I liked the bell cranks myself. Kind of cool if you ask me. A single MKS wing servo with 200 oz of torque and .025 speed would be the trick but somehow our RC world demands duel servos for almost everything now. Even the little Venom 50 mm foam jets get the duel servo treatment. I never figured out how we gained so much servo technology, speed, and power, but somehow wound up selling twice as many servos for a single model. I have a Aeroworks Mustang and it requires 11 servos (with a cost of over 900 bucks) if you go by the manufacture setup.

If I could go back to 1981 tomorrow the first thing I would do is make some foamys get a patend.

ALAS, THATS IT. A FOAMY FLYING MACHINE.


Hide Signatures

(in reply to Nitro-Tom)
       Post #: 360

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 5:20 PM   
Muddiman



Posts: 52
Score: 100
Joined: 5/2/2005
Last Login: 5/23/2013
From: St. Cloud, FL, USA
Status: offline 		1) RC Maniac119 -The O.S. 32 is a hot engine for sure but I don't think it would have the low end torque to swing a 9x6 and accelerate the FM quickly out of it's stalled maneuvers. But I could be wrong.
2) CONDOR Hobbies per contract now has all rights to the Flying Machine.
3) The new FM ARF will be using two mini servos for the ailerons.
4) Using a tuned pipe can add up to 800-1500 RPM depending upon your setup. The muffled version works just as well. This a a major performance boost.
5) I have not found a source for the 4D Carburetor other than buying an old engine. Tower sells the .55 carb but it's a bit pricey. The other option I have not tried is using the Thunder Tiger .46 Pro engine or it's carb on the OS .46Ax.


Don

_____________________________

Don Muddiman
www.eagle-i.us/fm

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Nitro-Tom)
       Post #: 361

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 8:26 PM   
triumphman49


 

Posts: 226
Score: 110
Joined: 9/4/2005
Last Login: 5/25/2013
From: Decatur, AL, USA
Status: online 		Hey All, So is someone going to assign #'s to the "Brotherhood"? And Don, do you still have rights to plan sales??? or contact Condor for those also. Need to get off my duff & get a set of plans. Many Thanx

Mike Brennan
Club Saito #723
FMB WannaB

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Muddiman)
       Post #: 362

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 9:41 PM   
Muddiman



Posts: 52
Score: 100
Joined: 5/2/2005
Last Login: 5/23/2013
From: St. Cloud, FL, USA
Status: offline 		CONDOR and I have an agreement that I will sell the plans and instructions until the ARF is released. You can purchase the plans via my web page, I also have .60 size plans of the FM. I like the Brotherhood idea, maybe we can get Fred to add it to the CONDOR web site.

_____________________________

Don Muddiman
www.eagle-i.us/fm

Hide Signatures

(in reply to triumphman49)
       Post #: 363

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 10:15 PM   
Nitro-Tom



Posts: 574
Score: 120
Joined: 7/30/2007
Last Login: 5/15/2013
From: South Florida, FL, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Muddiman

1) RC Maniac119 -The O.S. 32 is a hot engine for sure but I don't think it would have the low end torque to swing a 9x6 and accelerate the FM quickly out of it's stalled maneuvers. But I could be wrong.
2) CONDOR Hobbies per contract now has all rights to the Flying Machine.
3) The new FM ARF will be using two mini servos for the ailerons.
4) Using a tuned pipe can add up to 800-1500 RPM depending upon your setup. The muffled version works just as well. This a a major performance boost.
5) I have not found a source for the 4D Carburetor other than buying an old engine. Tower sells the .55 carb but it's a bit pricey. The other option I have not tried is using the Thunder Tiger .46 Pro engine or it's carb on the OS .46Ax.


Don



Holly mackrel I need to get a tuned pipe.......800-1500 RPM is way more than I expected.

Now I know why this guy was killing me with a P51 and a tuned pipe



_____________________________

Nitro - Tom
General R/C Addict

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Muddiman)
       Post #: 364

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 10:28 PM   
Nitro-Tom



Posts: 574
Score: 120
Joined: 7/30/2007
Last Login: 5/15/2013
From: South Florida, FL, USA
Status: offline 		Don

I ordered the regular plans about 2 years ago, and I need the .60 sized before they go away.....How do I order the .60 sized and are they more $$$$

Thanks again for all you support over the years on the FM........

Flying machine Brotherhood Member 119!

_____________________________

Nitro - Tom
General R/C Addict

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Muddiman)
       Post #: 365

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 11:09 PM   
Condor060



Posts: 441
Score: 156
Joined: 6/24/2009
Last Login: 4/9/2013
From: Monroe, NC, USA
Status: offline 		We will have a place on the website for the Flying Machine Brotherhood. Don will be Sgt Hulka, Our Big Toe.

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Nitro-Tom)
       Post #: 366

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 11:19 PM   
mercura


 

Posts: 57
Score: 100
Joined: 11/21/2006
Last Login: 5/24/2013
From: Co. Leitrim, IRELAND
Status: offline 		Must get my hands on a .60 size plan soon. Was unaware they were available.

Dave.

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Condor060)
       Post #: 367

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/23/2011 11:48 PM   
xlr82v2



Posts: 374
Score: 100
Joined: 9/21/2002
Last Login: 12/26/2012
From: Ellis Grove, IL, USA
Status: offline 		Same here! I have to have a set of the .60 size plans!

I looked on Don's website, but don't see them, or where to specify on the order form.


_____________________________

Brian


Hide Signatures

(in reply to mercura)
       Post #: 368

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/24/2011 1:26 AM   
Muddiman



Posts: 52
Score: 100
Joined: 5/2/2005
Last Login: 5/23/2013
From: St. Cloud, FL, USA
Status: offline 		Click on the button to purchase the .40 plans and add a note you want the .60 Flying Machine plans.

_____________________________

Don Muddiman
www.eagle-i.us/fm

Hide Signatures

(in reply to xlr82v2)
       Post #: 369

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/24/2011 4:18 AM   
xlr82v2



Posts: 374
Score: 100
Joined: 9/21/2002
Last Login: 12/26/2012
From: Ellis Grove, IL, USA
Status: offline 		Don,

Payment sent for the 60 size plans


_____________________________

Brian


Hide Signatures

(in reply to Muddiman)
       Post #: 370

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/28/2011 5:06 AM   
xlr82v2



Posts: 374
Score: 100
Joined: 9/21/2002
Last Login: 12/26/2012
From: Ellis Grove, IL, USA
Status: offline 		Don,

The 60 size FM plans arrived today. Thank you for the SUPER FAST service!

I notice that you seem to favor the 40 size FM over the 60 size (only because it seems you don't talk much about the 60). What do you like better about the 40 FM? I also noticed that the 60 has a more symmetrical airfoil than the 40, just curious why you made the change in airfoil?

I've got one airplane (not a Flying Machine) on the building bench right now... as soon as it's done, there will be no more builds until a FM is completed!!


_____________________________

Brian


Hide Signatures

(in reply to xlr82v2)
       Post #: 371

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/30/2011 4:58 AM   
Dave McDonald



Posts: 1789
Score: 115
Joined: 1/4/2002
Last Login: 5/25/2013
From: Eldon, MO, USA
Status: offline 		Bump to the top.

I still want a Flying Machine ARF. Please put me on the reserved list.

_____________________________

McDDD
ProBro 415

Hide Signatures

(in reply to xlr82v2)
       Post #: 372

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/30/2011 12:52 PM   
Muddiman



Posts: 52
Score: 100
Joined: 5/2/2005
Last Login: 5/23/2013
From: St. Cloud, FL, USA
Status: offline 		The 60 size flies almost identical to the 40 with the following exceptions,
1) Size effects the aerobatic quickness/response not to say the 60 is slow by any means, just that any time you scale a model up you start to affect the performance of these features.
2) The airfoil change was a benefit to increasing the speed. As you scale up a model of this type your wing loading typically gets lighter reducing the need to produce more lift at slow speeds.
I flew to 60 size for a few years way back in the mid 90's. At that time I was not happy with the selection and performance of the 60 size engines. I ended up using one of the F-15's OS MAX .77 ducted fan rear rotor engines, MAC tuned pipe, 11x7 Rev-up prop, 15% Byron Castrol/Syn Blend fuel and a in-flight needle valve. The engine setup was very loud but accelerated like an Estes Rocket when you went ROG to vertical. I needed the in-flight needle valve to richen the fuel mixture during high G maneuvers. On the first proto-type during a full throttle pull out I ripped out the firewall with engine never to be seen again. We looked for days using metal detectors. I thought the engine had just starved for fuel until I noticed during the glide back to the field it was getting tail heavy. I then redesigned the firewall mounting using a similar method for mounting the wing. I flew it for a quite a while until its fate was ended during one of my death dives requiring a few more inches of pullout room. Those were busy years with the Cloud Dancers Show Team and I always want to build another one but never seemed to get the time. Dale Nalley another show team member built a 96" Carbon fiber wing version of the Flying Machine only to have battery failure during the first flight. We had a new battery sponsor which did not last long after that crash and our finding of why the battery failed. He did get some stick time before the crash and said it flew great. I will see if he has any pictures I can post.


_____________________________

Don Muddiman
www.eagle-i.us/fm

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Dave McDonald)
       Post #: 373

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 6/30/2011 12:53 PM   
Nitro-Tom



Posts: 574
Score: 120
Joined: 7/30/2007
Last Login: 5/15/2013
From: South Florida, FL, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Muddiman

Click on the button to purchase the .40 plans and add a note you want the .60 Flying Machine plans.



.60 sized plans ordered!

Thanks Don (Now I have both sets)

_____________________________

Nitro - Tom
General R/C Addict

Hide Signatures

(in reply to Muddiman)
       Post #: 374

RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine - 7/1/2011 10:28 PM   
xlr82v2



Posts: 374
Score: 100
Joined: 9/21/2002
Last Login: 12/26/2012
From: Ellis Grove, IL, USA
Status: offline 		Don,

Thanks for the reply on the FM 60. I sure would like to see some video of the 60 size FM with the .77VRDF's! I remember years back guys were building .20 size Stiks and putting the OS .25VRDF's with tuned pipes on them, and holy cow! The way you described it is just perfect... they didn't perform a takeoff, they Launched!

Have you ever lost the firewall out of a 40 size FM?


_____________________________

Brian


Hide Signatures

(in reply to Nitro-Tom)
       Post #: 375

Page:   <<   < prev  13 14 [15] 16 17 18 19 20 21 22   next >   >>  
All Forums >> Radios, Batteries, Clubhouse and more >> The Clubhouse >> RE: Don Muddiman Flying Machine
Page: <<   < prev  13 14 [15] 16 17 18 19 20 21 22   next >   >>  




Jump to:


 
Google 



Search | Marketplace | Event Calendar | Local Clubs | Magazine | Product Ratings | New Products | Discussion Forums

Photo Gallery | Instructor Search | Field|Track|Marina Search

Advertisers | Hobby Vendor Resources | Rate Manufacturers | Sign In/Sign Up

SITE MAP!   : :   FORUM RULES

RC Universe is a service of Internet Brands, Inc. Copyright © 2001-2013.

Charities we support that also need your help
Yorkie Rescue | Humane Society | ASPCA | Crohn's-Colitis America


0.844RCU1