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Ziroli Rare Bear - 5/29/2003 9:48:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a Ziroli Bearcat kit waiting to be built, but I am seriously considering turning it into Rare Bear. Has anyone done this, and if they have what were the results? To be scale, I will have to remove half of the aileron and build it flapless. I would imagine this would make for a rather hot landing bid, the full scale lands very fast! Any opinions?
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Ziroli Rare Bear - 5/29/2003 10:03:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jeff,

I think Rare Bear would be an awesome subject! But it would be scary for exactly the reasons you mention. I guess it depends how big your runway is and if you feel comfortable landing hot.

Good luck!

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Ziroli Rare Bear - 5/29/2003 10:46:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Talk to Evan Q. from Texas. Great guy and he has just what you are talking about. I am not sure if his is a Ziroli or not but he has a Big "Rare Bear". Very hot airplane, BIG 102 BME (I think) in the nose. I think he built flaps and in my humble opinion, I would build with the flaps. He will probably chime in soon anyway. He is a true craftsman and gentleman. Good luck...

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Da bear - 5/29/2003 10:57:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jeff, I did indeed do a ziroli bearcat as the Rare Bear. I used the Purple and white color scheme used in the early 80's. Mine is powered with a bme 102 which pushes it to speeds well in excess of 120mph. I fly from a short field so I decided to build mine with the full wingspan and flaps. The flaps are very effective and at full throw on final, you can practically walk faster than the airplane is flying. Touchdown speeds are VERY low. The bme fits in the cowl(barely) with 2 degrees of right thrust, I have about 1/8 in. clearance from the left spark plug to the cowl. Other manufacturers twins will not fit because the spark plugs are centered in the head. On the BME they are angled up which provides a good 3/4 in reduction in width. I used the regular robart retracts on it because they were much simpler. The plane is not very scale but I built it just for fun anyway. Lots of pics of the plane under construction and finished on my webpage:
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rare bear - 5/29/2003 11:59:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a new Quadra 100 to put in mine, and I am waiting for Sierra Precision to get his retracts done for the Ziroli version. I am tempted to go the full rare bear deal. I have Top Flight Bear that is ready for paint, I thought about clipping that one. Talk about HOT landings!!!

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Orange Rare Bear - 5/30/2003 4:04:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Evan,

I am building a 1/12th scale racing version in the orange color scheme. What process did you use to find pictures and create decals or masks to paint with? My biggest challenge is finding any pictures and close enough ones to draw decals from.

Any thoughts?
Thanks,
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Ziroli Rare Bear - 5/30/2003 4:12:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some good 3-views here:
http://warbirdaeropress.com/articles/Taichi/TaichiNew.htm

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Ziroli Rare Bear - 5/30/2003 4:15:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Terry,

I have found only the old gold scheme here and am looking for the orange color scheme with decal layouts etc. I guess that I could just drive up to Reno and take some pictures if the Bear team agrees? : )
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rarebear - 5/30/2003 5:23:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jim, I purchased pictures from Bob Banka's scale aircraft documentation. Do a search for his website. Also, you can get great pics on the web here:
http://www.rarebear.com
http://warbirdaeropress.com/Photo%20Gallery%20Pages/RareBear-1.htm
I made all my own paint masks from frisket paper and 3m fine line tape.
Evan Q.

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Ziroli Rare Bear - 5/30/2003 5:32:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Ziroli Bearcat airfoil developes lots of lift. The root chord on this plane will allow you to do the Rarebear version with not alot of stress to worry about, if, and only if you build with final weight in mind. If you want a ball burner, once you clip the wings, fare in the aft end of the fuse, chop the canopy and add a very huge spinner, you will have a slippery little airplane that will penetrate like an eel through sea weed. G62 or smaller will get you a plane that will come out with a nice low wing loading, even without flaps on the clipped set up. You go 4.2 or larger, and you will sink a little faster on your approaches. My American Eagle Bearcats (which look very very close to the Ziroli plans version) have run with 4.2 and 5.8s, the plane will slow to a gastly unscale like pace on approach, without using flaps, make the Rarebear changes and it will come in at what I know will be a manageble speed that not too fast. After giving it some thought, the wing span you lose, is going to be made up for in the weight you lose also, as you forgo the two servos for the flaps, and the weight of the outboard wing tips themselves.
And finally, I currently have a Top Flight Bearcat that I clipped wings on for racing some 10 years ago, built no flaps and found no bad habits, actually made the plane fly alot better when I cut it from 60 something to 54".

Ray

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Ziroli Rare Bear - 5/30/2003 6:39:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw Evan's Rare Bear at Bomber Field and drooled. What a hot looking plane. He is a very competent pilot with it also.
Brian

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Rarebear - 5/30/2003 6:51:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Brian, Looking forward to seeing you there again. The BEAR shall return! Ive put a new bigger P-51 style spinner on it and painted the prop purple with white tips a'la full scale. Its now running a 24/14 menz ultra and is much quieter and faster. BTW, take a look at my webpage for pics of my latest aquisition. I think you of all people will definately like it.
http://www.homestead.com/evoshangar/Jug.html
Evan Q.

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