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SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/2/2003 4:25:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looking to build a model that will hit 1:40's to compete in SWRA. Any suggestions?
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SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/3/2003 12:19:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you don’t mind looking like half of the Gold planes, the World Models Mustang is a good choice. They are a little fragile but static well and will go in the 1:40s.

A lot of people:
[list]
  • Get them uncovered
  • Beef up stab and wing
  • Cover for static judging
  • Run YS .091 on 50% nitro with APC 13x9 or 12x11N
    [/list]

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/3/2003 12:34:35 AM   
    crewkip-RCU


     

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    Status: offline     		I dont think that setup will run 1:40s on a 700 ft course. I watched a clipped wing Great planes 51 with a changed airfoil run 1:40's with a YS 120 SC. THat setup would probably be a slow Silver with a 2:00 breakout time. Im thinking some sort of twin engine plane would be the way to go. But i can find a decent ARF of one.
    Thanks for the help though,
    Kip

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/3/2003 8:49:18 PM   
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    Status: offline     		I have been at the two races this year and can vouch for that set up mentioned above. Except the engines are a little bigger, .91 not .091. And I heard one guy say that he was using 30% nitro.

    Just as important as the set up is how well you start the race and fly the course, you need a good caller.

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/3/2003 9:37:44 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Can you buy them uncovered, and where?

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/3/2003 9:50:25 PM   
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    Status: offline     		I never heard anyone say they bought theirs uncovered. They use ultracoat so it would be easy to strip some off for reinforcing then apply new stuff.

    The US distributor is Airborne models in Livermore CA
    925-371-0922, might be worth a phone call.

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/3/2003 10:32:28 PM   
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    Status: offline     		In PJ_TankPilot's post, he said "Get them uncovered".

    Paul, did you mean that you uncover them yourself?

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/4/2003 12:29:37 AM   
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    Status: offline     		>>Paul, did you mean that you uncover them yourself?

    No, it was possible to get them bare. I don’t know if it still is. I think you save only 10 USD but because racing in Gold requires beef up, you were going to strip some covering anyway. Also, for static points most people move the tailwheel to scale position.

    This aircraft has been hugely popular in SWRA racing since it arrived on the scene. It comes with retracts installed and the price is right. You will find it flying in all three SWRA classes.

    I do not do Mustangs but I know enough guys who do. Other than the typo in the engine size, I can assure you this combo is competitive in Gold with a 1:38 breakout.

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/4/2003 10:55:59 AM   
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    Status: offline     		I was looking at those world models ARF’s and I bet one of the P-82’s with twin YS 91’s would be a screamer, but I couldn’t think of any way to make that three piece wing bullet proof without tearing it apart, and that horizontal stab just looks much to weak. I think it would be too much of a safety risk, and with the amount of people that shows up at the Sacramento races I’m not willing to take a risk like that.

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/5/2003 12:43:05 AM   
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    Status: offline     		> P-82’s with twin YS 91’s

    I have seen this setup. You are correct about the strength problems. It requires major beef-ups. In addition, you have a serious nose heavy problem and the supplied gear cannot handle the extra weight. Two YS 91's weigh a ton.

    I saw a World P-82 with two YS 63's. I can't be sure but I think it was flying in Silver.

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/5/2003 12:47:18 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Are 2 cycle engines competitive in SWRA? Or have the advancements in 4 cycles ruled out 2 cycles?

    I've heard a rumor that Mike Del Ponte created a Nelson powered Cub (basically a Q-40) that did well ... have the rules been changed such that a Q-40 or Q-500 engine powered plane is uncompetitive?

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/5/2003 1:17:41 AM   
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    Status: offline     		>>Are 2 cycle engines competitive in SWRA?

    Two cycle engines can compete successfully in all SWRA classes. If you fly in Gold, you will have a problem if the race has DB limits. A high performance engine will have a noise problem, 2 or 4 cycle.

    Three or Four years ago, five guys showed up in Tucson with Nelson powered military Cubs (NE-1). They had less wing area than a Q-500. Once you get them up to speed they do very well. At low speed, they are a handful.

    Two years ago, the 'Arizona Gang' took some to Sacramento.

    You can see a picture of them
    [URL=http://www.warbirdracing.com/swra/year2001/pictures/sacramento/pictures.html]Here[/URL]

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/5/2003 1:34:21 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Cool photos and planes ... thanks for the link.

    Do you know if they had a fiberglass fuselage?

    I think my next "pink foam plug" project just changed.

    Now I have to get more familiar with the SWRA rules. I read them completely a while back, but the static judging part bothered me some. Probably because what I saw happened with F1, and that was just for takeoff position.

    I see mufflers hanging out ... does that hurt the static judging? If not, a muffled tuned pipe would be the ticket for a Q-500 engine powered plane.

    How about the airfoil? If it's radically different, does that cause a problem with the judging?

    BTW, thanks for posting in the [URL=http://www.nmpra.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=287]Non-AMA racing classes and the NMPRA[/URL] topic in the NMPRA forums ... I started to respond, but wanted to leave someone's name besides mine as the last post.

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/5/2003 1:56:00 AM   
    PylonWorld



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    Status: offline     		Is there a discussion forum where the SWRA guys hang out?

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/5/2003 2:21:27 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Do you know if someone kits that white mustang at the top of the page you listed of the SAM races? I swear i used to have a flyer of a plane like that and one that was all red as well but i lost it.

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    SWRA Gold Class Planes? - 6/5/2003 6:03:41 AM   
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    Status: offline     		At the last race in Tucson, there was some discussion about how to draw more racers to the event. One topic of debate was whether or not to have static judging. All the rules for the planes "scaleness" would still apply but it would not be scored and added to your racing score. I personally like this idea and prefer just to race. If it weren't for the availability of scale arf's, I personally would not invest the time and effort to compete, just my opinion.

    The other issue was the use of a pace plane as opposed to an audible count down. Not using the pace plane reduces the required man power. Using it is unique in model pylon racing and I personally like it. It adds to the thrill and excitement of the event.

    These last remaining items were not discussed but are my personal opinion and observations.

    I'm not sure how they set up the heat matrix, but it assigns you a lane, which in reallity means nothing. The problem is that two guys in the same class but different heats get assigned the same lane and never race against each other. There were no frequency conflicts at the last event.

    There were 6 planes in silver split into 3 plane heats. Two crashed out midway through the event. This meant that 2 heats were flown with only one plane. I can appreciate the easy first place points but this is really a waste of time. If the other guys can't make the call then just give the points to the one who can and move on to the next heat.

    This really is a long event, with static on friday night and racing on saturday and sunday morning. This makes it easy for the locals and retired guys with motorho