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Klotz BeNOL - 3/20/2002 10:30:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I want to raise the % oil in my glow fuel (Morgan 18% full synthetic 10% & 15% nitro; club buys in bulk) from 18% to 20% by adding 3.2 oz. castor per gallon. I think I've read posts that say Klotz BeNOL can be used for this. Klotz says NO, but doesn't say exactly why. They also answered "proprietary" when I asked what was in BeNOL. I know it is a degummed castor, and is used in some glow fuels (Wildcat for one), so why can't I add it to Morgan? Anyone have any experience using BeNOL to raise the oil % in fuels that use non-Klotz synthetics? What about Maxima Castor 927 or Blendzall Racing Castor. These are both available at my local motorcycle shop. LHSs do not carry castor.
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castor - 3/20/2002 11:08:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been using Morgan's Castor for this very purpose for the last 2 years. Has not been a problem in either my 2 or 4 strokes.

Get mine from my LHS.

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Benol - 3/21/2002 2:02:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Klotz has what they call Super Techniplate....it is a mixture of their regular Klotz synthetic (80%) and their castor (20%), perfect for making your fuel up to 20% oil (the last 3 engines I have purchased calls for 20% oil content). The reason I know this.....I just ordered and received a case of it right off their web site.

This is perfect for me because the fuel i'm using is Hobbytown (Wildcat) 10% nitro with the synthetic/castor blend (80% syn-20% castor).......all my engines seem to love it!!......even the 4 strokes.

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Benol Bean oil. - 3/21/2002 2:28:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the person you talked to was joking. I mean the name brand describes the contents, I think Benol is pronounced BeanOil?

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Klotz BeNOL - 3/21/2002 5:50:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hauckf,
please e-mail me direct.

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Oil - 3/21/2002 8:38:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just wanted to let you know that Coolpower/Omega are 17% oil by volume, not 18%.

http://gcbmrc.com/klotz_lubricants.htm lists Klotz Benol and states it is compatible with glow fuel (methanol).

Don't see any problem with you adding it to you fuel.

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Klotz BeNOL - 3/21/2002 8:32:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thankyou everyone for your replies to my question about BeNOL. I went back to Klotz and asked them to clarify their "NO" recommendation regarding adding Klotz BeNOL to Morgan fuel. Here is their reply: "We don't recommend BeNOL be mixed with petroleum oils or most other synthetics due to a possible incompatibility. Some synthetics due to their make-up will blend with BeNOL/Castor Oil. I am not familiar with the lubricants used in Morgan Fuel and would defer to them on wether (sic) castor will mix with their fuel/lubricant mixture." I had already contacted Morgan, who assured me that castor is compatible with their fuel, and that the synthetic in their castor/synthetic fuel is the same oil that they put in their all synthetic fuel. Morgan also chose not to offer any opinion about adding BeNOL to their fuel. Both Klotz and Morgan have been very helpful. Morgan even offered to send me some Morgan castor at no charge.

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Fuel - 3/21/2002 11:03:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Morgan has a great syn/castor oil blend that it sells and is the same blend supposedly used in Omega.

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Klotz BeNOL - 3/22/2002 12:41:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Homebrewer: You are 100% correct. Morgan oil content is 17%, not 18%. According to Steve Morgan, the oil contains "an extremely high viscosity and thermally stable base stock fluid (that) is more resistant to high temperature break down than the average or above average lubricant used in model engine fuel (which gives you) better performance, less loading-up and cleaner burning." That's the answer I got when I asked Morgan. Thought I should include it here because he took the time to reply, and because 17% might sound a tad low to some.

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Thanks - 3/22/2002 7:49:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can say that I know my Morgan fuels because I did live in Enterprise Alabama for about 5 of the past 12 years (first time for 2 years, second time for 3 years). One of the locals in my old club, an avid pattern flier, test flew and made recommendations to Morgan Fuels on their 20/20 fuel-which is pretty decent stuff. I was fortunate enough to buy a couple cases of their 20/20 before it hit the retail market. Morgan used to keep their oil content sorta a secret (proprietary) a while back (pre-Wildcat big ad blitz) so a couple of us pitched in an bought a couple gallons and dumped it into a small container and allows it to evaporate in the hot 'bama sun. We then measured the volume of the oil/additives that was left. Our unscientific results came around 16.5% oil by volume which is pretty close to the 17% that it actually is.

With that all that said, I burn whatever I can get cheapest. I still have about 2 1/2 cases of Morgan products left from last year, 1/2 case of S&W from swap meet in PA last year, and it looks like I'll be burning that oily kid stuff-Sig fuels this year (club buys in bulk). I can honestly say I have never noticed much difference in power between fuels. Sure, I've had to make needle adjustments when switching from Wildcat to Byrons. Sure, some fuels smoke more and some burn cleaner, but when it comes down to it, I don't think the average person can tell the difference any performance difference between Omega or Powermaster. They are all good fuels and yes, I do add castor to bring each gallon of fuel, regardless of brand, to 20% oil by volume. The extra smoke helps me better with my aircraft visibility and the overlean protection is well worth it.

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Oil content - 3/22/2002 10:37:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I checked Red Max for oil % the same way several years ago; got 17.92%, pretty close to the 18% they claimed. I think I've read that if you add a known amount of water to a known amount fuel and shake it up, the oil will separate out. Never tried it, but that sure would be quicker than the evaporation method! Anyone out there ever try this?

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Klotz BeNOL - 3/28/2002 2:25:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Methanol and water are miscible in all proportions, and most oils are immiscible to water or water based solutions. AS you add more and more water and the methanol is scavenged or stripped out, the oil will layer or stratify. However, I would think most syn oils are to some extent soluable in water at room temps (maybe 1%). I guess in Engineering terms this operation could be referred to as a single stage stripper or absorber.

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