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Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/10/2009 8:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? or the start of a brave new one?

"Classic 1938 free-flight contest winner, now in easy-assemble ARF form! "

"OUR LANZO IS THE WORLD’S ONLY CONTEST-READY SAM-LEGAL OLDTIMER ARF."

SAM's ARF's i can hear them hunting for the rope right now.


I came across this on E-Bay, and and didn't really know what to think?
(Well at $300 i new exactly wot to think)

The ARF idea is so opposite to everything we stand for i thought i should boycott it instantly. But then i thought about it, many new pilots DON'T BUILD.
Not at all. And that is what most of us love most, but if this brings some of them and i know it wont be many, to enjoying flying the way we do. Maybe its a good thing after all.

We have had partial kits before, but never anything like this. If it weren't so expensive it would be a great competition aeroplane.
We all use then same plane and the same 40, 4-stroke, and the best flyer wins. Im not going to buy one but im going to see if i can find out how there going,
As it may be the way forward to bring new blood, after all they make a good trainer, dad tought me to fly a 100 inch on in the 1960's.


So i posted this to start some discussion, feel free to burn my oily rag and take away my ether, or not, but maybe its a change for the better?


Included the wed address of the adds below, if you want to check it out.

http://www.directmodel.com.au
http://www.directmodel.com.au/Old%20Timer%20ARF.html


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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/10/2009 10:02 PM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/10/2009 10:11 PM   
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Think of it like this, many of us only had kits and balsa stock to work from but we did it by choice, building was the step to flying.
I think as the market produces these pre-builts they are also allowing some to enjoy flying the oldies with out the work, but how many at the field will then turn to Possibly building there own.

$279 including Air Post ??? Might be a deal for some, but the actual appearance of the one offered is inviting... Oldie look still preserved.


Borrowed from their web ad.

As I previewed this post and the pic appeared, my 8 year old says "Nice Plane" so maybe the Bomber will have a new following.





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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/11/2009 4:26 AM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/11/2009 1:19 PM   
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After loosing 2-scratch built aerobats inside of two weeks (big heart-ache) I decided to buy a Directmodel Ultimate ARF to get back in the air quickly. I have a Noorduyn Norseman under construction and I wasn't keen to put that aside while building another aerobatic plane. The Directmodel Ultimate should be delivered this week. Will let you know how that goes if you don't get any more feedback on the Lanzo.

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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/11/2009 2:32 PM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/11/2009 6:35 PM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/11/2009 7:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's funny about ARFs, I don't like them, but I support my own hobby by hiring myself out to build for others. I suppose it comes down to helping more people enjoy the hobby (at least part of it) that we love.
I think if ARFs like that Bomber help more people give old timer flying a try it may be a good thing in the end.

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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/12/2009 3:51 AM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/15/2009 3:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		As promised here's my experience with Directmodel so far.

My Directmodel Ultimate ARF was delivered to my office on Monday and I carried it home on the train. After looking through it there were a few questions so I fired off an email to Directmodel. Got an answer back that evening with all the details I was looking for. Mick lives here in Brisbane and in his response he also offered to meet me at the field for the maiden. Nice touch, will likely take him up on it.

The workmanship on the plane is very nice, hardware looks good, landing gear is great, covering is good - better than I do on my scratch builds. The only thing I don't like is the CA hinges but I decided to use them so that more funds can go towards the Norseman scratch build or perhaps an old timer someday.

Anyways, you might not care for ARFs - and if I didn't have so many other commitments I'd have built this from scratch too - but I'm quite happy with this plane so far, the service I've recieved and the fact that I continue to focus on building the Norseman while this plane keeps my skills up.

All the best, I'll push away quietly now and leave you all to it.

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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/15/2009 8:12 PM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/15/2009 8:31 PM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 1/16/2009 8:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Old timer ARF's are nothing new- the KK Junior 60 (1948) and the Black Magic (1946) have been available for at least the last three years from Flair Models in Britain. The price is around £115 which, considering the kit versions are around £65, is very reasonable. I recently gave in to temptation at my local model shop and bought an ARTF Junior 60. The build quality is superb and I should only take a few hours to install the engine and gear and get it flying.
Why did I buy it? Because I don't want to wreck my beautiful old, newly restored Junior 60 whilst trying to regain my lost flying skills! My son is also becoming very interested in vintage models, so I'll use it to teach him to fly (I also bought him a Flair Junior 60 kit to build, so he'll know how to do it properly.
If old timer ARTF's help to introduce newcomers to the pleasures of vintage flying, or help someone to return to the hobby, then they have their place.

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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 11/9/2011 3:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can anyone subscribed here tell me whether this is a Lanzo airplane. Wing is similar but it is not a "Bomber".

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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 11/9/2011 11:23 PM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 11/10/2011 1:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		flyinjrc74 The model in the photo may be a Lanzo Record Breaker with mods. The original was a cabane design and the builder my have went with a conventional fuselage instead of the cabane set up. Airfoil a bit different from the Bomber. Jack

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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 11/10/2011 3:10 PM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 11/10/2011 3:43 PM   
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I am very glad I kept it!!!

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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 2/22/2012 10:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		flyinjrc74 - Looks like a Lanzo Racer (79" W.S. ?) but then, I've only seen a small photo on the end of a kit box. Interestingly a friend is just beginning a build and he was planning on going electric. He asked my advice - He would like to see vertical flight if possible for at least a minute.  After playing with MotoCalc I picked out a Turnigy SK35-42 and a 7.4v 2200mah battery - sounds close to what you have. Got any idea what your raw build weight was ? 

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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 5/7/2012 4:10 AM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 5/7/2012 4:44 AM   
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flyinjrc74 - Looks like a Lanzo Racer (79'' W.S. ?) but then, I've only seen a small photo on the end of a kit box. Interestingly a friend is just beginning a build and he was planning on going electric. He asked my advice - He would like to see vertical flight if possible for at least a minute.  After playing with MotoCalc I picked out a Turnigy SK35-42 and a 7.4v 2200mah battery - sounds close to what you have. Got any idea what your raw build weight was ? 



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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 6/29/2012 1:14 AM   
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I have one that was acquired when I needed a competition model quick.  It has a Saito 65 fitted to it and does dual use in both Texaco and Duration (change prop and fuel)
They are built well and now highly sort after amongst the group of competition flyers who fly Bombers.  I still build and in fact have Micks latest offering, a Star Dust special, that has under gone a CAD process that renders the kit in clip together form.  Yes it is competition legal, Mick makes sure of that as is he is a fierce competition flyer in our SAM group SAM 84.
As a parting shot, one of these ARF's won the Duration comp at the SAM 1788 champs at Canowindra at Easter.
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 7/12/2012 12:55 AM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 7/12/2012 5:59 AM   
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RE: Lanzo Old Timer ARF is it the end of the world? - 8/3/2012 1:57 AM   
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