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Disservice - 6/10/2003 2:00:28 AM

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In the 18 months I've been flying and perusing this and other boards, it seems apparent to me from many posts that there are a large number of people out there who, for many reasons, are looking for someone to tell them that RC flying is not that hard and that they don't need an instructor.

Whether or not you succeeded in teaching yourself, your "Its not that hard" post is a disservice to everyone.

If someone reads your post and has a 45 second flight that destroys their trainer, that's a disservice.

If they crash it into someone or something that's even worse.

Most people recommend an instructor for a glow trainer because it increases the chance of success. Also, its a six pound missile, which traveling at 50 mph will really really hurt you or someone else.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/10/2003 2:15:09 AM

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david,

It sounds to me like the LT-40 that guy has is set up with way too much throw on the controls. Either that, or he mis-understands how the controls work.

ALOT of people come in thinking they need to turn an airplane like they turn a car. As a result, then move the aileron stick to the side, and HOLD IT THERE to "keep turning". Before you know it, they are over-banked or even inverted, and heading for the ground.

Show the guy a hands-off climbing turn/spiral, it may help his brain learn how to turn.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/10/2003 2:30:33 AM

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I think Simulators are great and they really helped me to start out and I still use it but I think Glowplug hit the nail on the head, a simulator won't teach you how to adjust your needle valve. I get all kinds of great advice from the experienced flyers at the club, my simulator laughs when I crash.

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I do! - 6/10/2003 11:54:16 PM

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I do! At the moment, I've constructing a GMS, and having problems.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 12:01:33 AM

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Tara, what is a GMS? My kids name is Tara.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 12:06:56 AM

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I think we can all agree flying shouldn't be all that difficult to pick up for semi-intelligent people. Typically those that frequent RCU. You have to admit that are those people out there who, when you look at them, you can tell that the gates are down, lights are flashing but the train ain't coming. Those people look at a model plane and think "toy". "Doesn't look that hard". "I can get one and fly it in my backyard." Those people need the instructor!

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 12:37:31 AM

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I was going to post a thread about my recent story, but it ties right in with this one.

I just built a TT trainer and have put a little time on a sim. I was contemplating whether(sp) or not I could fly it on my own. I have been working on various "techniques" to help in my flying ability. Mainly visualization.
Well this past weekend there was a fly-in at a local club, so I went to check it out. Got introduced to some of the pilots, and they mentioned that they had a trainer there that they could set me up with an instructor on the training cord(buddy box).
I'm sure glad I didn't try to do it on my own. The instructor said that after watching me fly that I'd be soloing in about 3 or 4 flights. The visualization thechniques sure did help, so did the sim., but it is just so different doing the real thing.
Get an instructor. They might say that your a great pilot and you can solo anytime, or they may help you save a lot of money and time.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 12:47:24 AM

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look at it this way...the AMA gets a claim from someone that has had an extensive injury. They investigate and find out who this person is affiliated with and asks them who taught them to fly. They say you taught yourself. The AMA says that is not the way we said to do it because if we abide by the AMA rules the insurance is cheaper. That is the way the game works. If there is a set program in place the insurance company buys off on it better and the 2.5 million dollar insurance gets cheaper. Nobody says that the sim isn't a great place to get trained but if all is done by the rule book then everybody gets along. I taught myself to fly a long time ago. Not until now have I put all the pieces of the puzzle together do I see it clearly. Anyway, who is going to bother you way over there???

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 3:48:06 AM

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Wow! There is always lots of discussion on this subject. While I taught myself to fly many years ago I did have the assistance of an instructor from time to time. One can teach themselves to fly a model airplane, but. With an instructor your chances of success are far greater and the cost is far less than without an instructor. Sims are great for practice and I feel do help in many ways. Buddy boxes work and help instill confidence in new people learning to fly.

As far as flying, almost anyone can go out and bore holes in the sky and call it flying, I do that on occasion just to unwind during the week. But, come the weekend, lookout as every loop, roll, half-cuba, takeoff, and landing better be perfect.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 9:20:52 AM

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well I tought myself to fly, but I crashed several times doing so.. I started with a glider.. hand launched off a small hill several times then the typical high start rubberband method.. got bored after 2 flights then caught it a few times in my hands to prove to myself... then ended up crashing it cus I wanted to do some arobatics with it.. I then went gas powered and flew a trainer.. no instruction.. just flew it... I crashed it a few times all minor but crashes still... It can be done... But I wish I had an instructor because I would have learned much more about tuning engines and other safty things...

Point... It can be done, many people still do it and always will, but an instructor can still teach you something even if you can fly... they know about engines, radios, cg and many other things than many beginner pilots don't think about or have a sim to teach them about.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 9:59:28 AM

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As the primary instructor at our local field, I have had a fair number of hopeful and bright eyed student bring their new planes out for their first flight and then have to go through set up of one or more control surface because they did not understand the the trim had to be centered or something simple like that. One student even had the receiver antenna coiled the way the manufacturer shipped it. The point is, an instructor is willing to do most anything for someone new in the hobby with out charging them a dime, they usually come out when it is convenient for the student, and they best thing about an instructor, you are more than likely going home with you airplane! If you know that it can not be too hard because you watched a young boy fly one once, then ask someone at the local club to give you a check flight.
One one should ever tell you how to spend your money, but by the same token you should never risk hurting someone.

Bob
Wadda you mean I crashed? ain't that my plane up there?

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 5:33:09 PM

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[QUOTE]Practised for 2 days on aerofly pro and went flying yesterday. 5 succesful takeoffs and 5 succesful landings(3 deadstick and 2 with engine idling) not even a dent on the plane. My point is that when I joined Rcuniverse people scared me that flying is difficult and you need instructor to teach you for weeks before you can even think of going solo. Now I seriously disagree and encourage all new pilots to go buy a simulator, practice in your cozy room for few hours and go fly solo.[/QUOTE]

This is got to be considered an RCU "Classic" quote

3 days on a sim and 5 flights latter and now you seriously disagree and encourage all new pilots to go buy a ssimulator, practice in your cozy room for few hours and go fly solo.

PLEASE Take some time to practice gain some experience and wisdom that only comes with experience!!!! :

BTW There is much more to Flying then taking off flying in a circle and landing. I've seen many people who could "fly" and let me tell you I wouldn't classify what they did as flying by any means... It was more like watching a UFO bounce all over the Sky

Congrats on your success not trying to take anything away from your acheivement I just think that your conclusions may require a little rethinking.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 7:15:56 PM

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Hello to the forum - my first post!

I would like to recognise the fact that this guy has managed to get airborne living in a country where there is likely to be very little r/c flying going on. Well done! I feel spoiled now with a flying club located within driving distance of my house. His lack of understanding that most people could not and that anyone who CAN get an instructor SHOULD not fly without supervision probably comes from this fact.

P.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 7:37:26 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by phoTToniq
Hello to the forum - my first post!

I would like to recognise the fact that this guy has managed to get airborne living in a country where there is likely to be very little r/c flying going on. Well done! I feel spoiled now with a flying club located within driving distance of my house. His lack of understanding that most people could not and that anyone who CAN get an instructor SHOULD not fly without supervision probably comes from this fact.

P. [/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is attempting diminish the original posters achievement. I do think people are concerned about his advice to newcomer's that seems to be a direct result of his experience (or lack there of).

I think RCU is full of great advice which helps modelers of all levels unfortunatly it also has lots of bad or incorrect advice. yes this is only an opinion but when I read something like get a sim practice for three days and go fly solo I simply can't help it but respond. Imagine if you went to the doctor and he said well I haven't actually don't this procedure before but done worry I've got plenty of simulator time

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 7:44:13 PM

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Hi - I was not trying to be controversial - sorry if i came across that way. I think the guy is cool for getting airborne with the challenges that not having good support yield. However, I fully agree that NO ONE should be flying without real life (not just sim) supervision - unless they have a really really big field with no one around, a lot of money, and arent to conserned about planes flying in to them which is of course LETHAL

hope that cleared up my view on the whole thing a little bit.

P.

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Who says flying is difficult? - 6/11/2003 8:00:24 PM

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I think there are two main reasons to NOT be foolish and give people advice not to seek an instructor.

1. Safety, what if you had hit someone when you crashed your trainer?

2. Keep people in the hobby.

Not everyone can just go buy whatever they need to learn to fly on thier own. I learned from an instructor 10 years ago and I still have my original trainer uncrashed. Most people would probably cut thier losses after crashing the first time considering the investment.

You are the exception not the rule.

This hobby does not need elitists like you who foolishly give BAD advise.

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