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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 2/26/2013 1:44 AM   
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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 2/26/2013 11:11 AM   
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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 3/1/2013 9:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the 2013 catalog pdf, the Maxima 9 receiver, which will come with the 9x, says "Only Digital servo required.' Does that mean that this receiver only operates off digital servos?

I'm looking to upgrade from my old Laser 6 transmitter to 2.4, and I don't want to have to switch to digital servos if that is what this statement is implying.

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 3/1/2013 11:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cannot find the post here now but there was one here from the  Hitec guy that mentioned a new receiver with the 9x that had a 9ms update rate. My guess is that would work best with digital servos. Also that the 9X will be backward with the present Hitec Optima Rx. so you could use those with your present or future analog servos. That is what I intend to do as I have 12 optima RXs and tons of analog servos. I would keep the new fast Rx for a future hot plane or sell it on Ebay or here.

Google around or search here and you will find more posts about A9X or Hitec will probably answer your question here eventuall.

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 3/2/2013 5:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farr301  On the 2013 catalog pdf, the Maxima 9 receiver, which will come with the 9x, says "Only Digital servo required.' Does that mean that this receiver only operates off digital servos?
I'm looking to upgrade from my old Laser 6 transmitter to 2.4, and I don't want to have to switch to digital servos if that is what this statement is implying.  Thanks,  Jake 


Yes, refresh rate to high for analogue.
However, Aurora 9X users do not need to use the non telemetry Maxima receivers,
Aurora 9X also uses the exisiting Optima transceivers or Minima receivers and achive better results with those also..
Doubt analogue servos will be made by any manufacturer for much longer.

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 3/2/2013 3:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		AT, when you say better do you mean reduced latency or are there other performance benefits? Is re-link/re-bind time reduced? What else?

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 3/2/2013 4:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		You raise an interesting question regarding re-link time. I have been flying A9 for 3 years now and hundreds of flights with 10+ different airplanes both electric and glow.

In that time I have never had a situation where there was any indication of a control problem or link disconnect in the air or on the ground. This is out to vision distances where I can comfortabley and occasionally uncomfortable fly a .40+ size model.

This includes taking a 3D Hobbies Edge 48 to 1100 feet altitude as part of a GPS versus eyeballs test. I can tell you that it is a small dot at that distance. 

Also I do not remeber that I ever had to re-bind a plane once it was set up.   I see other people at my field with one particular brand who are always binding/rebinding. Some guys with electric models go through "oh the light is flashing again or off or on etc" routines each time they plug in a battery.

I do use a BEC on my larger models with lots of servos and on my glow models I have changed to 6V, 1200mah RX batteries for a little extra margin. The Hitec RX voltage telemetry is very useful in catching weaker RX batteries or binding servos as I have had situations when rowing the sticks around that the battery alarm beep has gone on and off but never any indication that the RF link was broken or there was a RX "brown out".

I consider the A9 RF link pretty much bullet proof. That said I do not fly at fields with 20 to 40 systems turned on at one time so I cannot speak for that situation or use with gas ignition systems.

I do see that the A9X has an improved binding menu/bind set up process and that will be a definite plus compared to the 3 handed monkey rountine required with the present A9.

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PS, I forgot to mention that Hitec gets this done with just one RX per plane, not the 4-5 RX wallet buster configurations suggested by some brands.


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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 3/2/2013 10:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bgw45    AT, when you say better do you mean reduced latency or are there other performance benefits?
Is re-link/re-bind time reduced? What else?   

The following are all the relevant A9X Q&A on all forums todate:

Hitec General Servo Q&A extract:
Q. What is the difference between an analog and digital servo?
A. The difference is in how the servo motor is controlled via the circuit board (amplifier).
The motor of an analog servo receives a signal from the amplifier 30 times a second or at 30Hz.
This signal allows the amplifier to update the motor position.
Digital servos use a high frequency amplifier that updates the servo motor position 300 times a second or at 300Hz.
By updating the motor position more often, the digital servo can deliver full torque from the beginning of movement
and increases the holding power of the servo.
The quick refresh also allows the digital servo to have a tighter deadband.
Recommended Reading:
Hitec Digital Servo Q&A
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. Aurora 9X Further Features Post 4477 above.
"1. Performance:
a. 4096 resolution (4 times better/ 2X better than Futaba and Spektrum)
b. Dual processors (one for programming, one for RF)
c. Re Engineered signal processing so the Optima RX performance is twice as fast (19ms frame vs. 41ms)
d. New Maxima RX's (Non Telemetry) have a 7ms frame which outputs all channels simultaneously
for the absolute minimum latency. (FBL version in the works)"

. Aurora 9X Latency, Resolution & SLT
The latency is essentially cut in half when using the Optima Rx's and when using the new Maxima (non telemetry)
RX it is 66% faster than that! 4096 Resolution as well! Dual processors are used so that the RF has one dedicated just to it.
SLT will open it up to a larger BnF market. - Mike.31Jan13.

. A9X Retail Configuration & Features
"The system will be sold in a few different configurations.
The Maxima Rx is for those that are looking for the absolute lowest latency.
The original A9 will not be compatible with the Maxima.
Another feature is auto switch select which sets the switch by moving it when in the menu.
The toggle switch does also work as on only when held when selected for the timer.
Flight counter: Counts the flights on a particular model by either power on, switch, or timer.
SLT: Compatible with any TX-R model made by G.P. or any company that utilizes the protocol
which we expect to expand significantly.
Hitec will not offer a stand alone SLT RX but future BnF "Hitec" branded models
(Many more planned) will utilize it thus keeping the cost down.
I'll post some screen shots of some of the new things shortly. - Mike  01Feb13"

. A9 & A9X - Latency
FYI: The reason the A9 latency has high was because of the decoding on the TX side from the gimbal to output the signal.
The single processor also had to operate the programming and the signal where now they each have a dedicated processor.
The 9X elimiates this cutting the frame rate with the Optima RX in half (Down to 19ms.)
When using the Non telemetry Maxima RX, the Frame rate is even lower at 7ms (Actually tested at 5.5ms!) -  Mike 02Feb13.

. Conditions can be assigned to any
stick/position. - Mike 07Feb13 
screenshot 1  post 4484 above
screenshot 2 post 4484 above

. Non - telemetry Hitec 2.4Ghz Receiver Reboot Voltage
"Maxima has the same reboot voltage as the Minima, 2.6v.- Mike 13Feb13. "

. Maxima 6 & 9 have same frame rate
"they are the same @ 7ms frame rate.- Mike 15Feb13".

. Frame Rate
It will be 4096 resolution with the Optima RX's as well. The latency is cut in half (21ms frame)when using the Optima RX's with the 9X
and then cuts it 66% more when using the Maxima (7ms) making it of of the fastest radios available.
More channels: We know... However, it wasn't an option at this time with the current platform but we are working on this for the future.
- Mike.  15Feb13.

. Latency - Perception
"Perception is a strong factor for some people. "Most" people will not notice the difference in latency and resolution but that doesn't
mean they don't think they need it. However, high level pilots will benefit as it brings the performance level up to, or better, than the top
radios on the market! Unfortunately we are currently limited to 9 channels but making the new radio faster with more resolution was
possible so we did it... what would you all be saying if we didn't? Damned it you do... damned if you don't I guess! " - Mike 19Feb13.

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 3/2/2013 11:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just returned from a major Q40 - Pylon racing competition in Los Angeles with nearly 60 competitors. The plane inspector raised his eyebrow when I told him I was flying Hitec, suggesting this was not normal and I was the only one, most pylon racers fly JR, Spectrum or Futaba systems. I have been told many times to throw my Hitec servos out before they fail in favour of the other brands....I have never had a reliability problem and I currently have over 60 servos all loaded into racers. There were a few planes go down due to servo failure and power issues, I do not know what systems they used. I am pleased to say my planes operating 7 channel and 9 channel Rx's worked flawlessly. I recently started to switch to high voltage servos to increase speed and torque and I am looking forward to the A9X. I figure that once I have the A9X along with high voltage servos this should be near the fastest and most stable system on the market.

When can I get an A9X?

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 3/3/2013 7:53 AM   
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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 3/3/2013 9:48 PM   
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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 4/23/2013 11:51 PM   
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It,s been a while since I,ve posted here , First ,................................. I love my A9 , wouldn,t change it for any other ,.... period

I have two questions

1 ) are many of you guys ( and Gals ) , useing lipo,s in youre A9 ?

2 ) When chargeing the 2 cell lipo , out of the radio , is there any chance of all the memory being lost ?

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 4/24/2013 12:00 AM   
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I have been using Lipo in all my TX for 5+ yrs now with Zero issues.
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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 4/24/2013 12:06 AM   
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Thanks for the reply .

Here,s a third question : ,.............. what about storage in the off season ?

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 4/24/2013 12:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Michel Hi Ken   Thanks for the reply .  Here,s a third question : ,.............. what about storage in the off season ?  Michel


To avoid leakage or Black Wire Corrosion, always remove battery from any ttransmitter , switch harness, torchlights etc you name it.

. Aurora 9 - Transmitter - Care of, especially in high humidity areas.
extract
"Extract from another response to query in A9 thread re battery (any TX) removal after use/storage
"Hard to define as much also depends upon climatic conditions and how and where a TX is used and then stored.
If Tx is used and stored in a very dry area, then not to much of a problem but if used and then left in a case which has been open during humid conditions, especially at a cloudy slope soaring site or spray covered ocean cliff, then it will be more susceptible to black wire and other corrosion, or simply left in the garage/shed, even some houses may have high humidity levels inside.
(All known quality electronics stored in warehouses/retail shops contain little bags of dessicant for a good reason.)
Corrosion caused by old or damp batteries is the leading reason, by a very big margin, of all brands/types of transmitters being brought in for service.
With many different TX in my "playroom", batteries are always removed at end of day except for those I know I will definitely, as opposed to "think I will" use within the next month.""

Also with regard to Lipo, please refer:
. Aurora 9 - Lipo User Adjustable Voltage sets Shut Down = TURNS TX OFF to save damage to Lipo Battery and/or TX
(Audible Battery Warning is still at 6.9V with Lipo which provides say 10-20 min before shutdown.)
. Aurora 9 - Warning Alarms Battery types, Voltage Level Interpretation & Consumption.
CAUTION - Leave Auto Hibernation (was Auto Power Off prior to V1.06) as "Never" when using Lipo Battery.
During "Auto Hibernation" (as with laptops), TX Does Not Switch everything Off and batteries will be completely drained if TX switch is not
manually moved to the off position in good time. Remove battery and store separately if TX is to be unused for a period.
. Aurora 9 - Lipo & Field Fast Charging. includes Fast Charge Aurora, Eclipse 7 & 7 Pro, Flash 4 & 5, Laser, Optic 6, Optic 5, Lite 4, Prism 7 etc.

ex Hitec USA Support Forum Sticky:
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- FAQ, Setups & Tips {Individual Links often updated}

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 4/24/2013 12:47 AM   
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Now how did I know you were going to answer this ,................................................ youre always on the ball .

Thanks

Now I have some reading to do .

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 4/25/2013 6:57 AM   
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I have an Aurora 9 and have a question around setting up split elevators. It's an Aeroworks Edge and I have 7955tg's on each half - each on its own channel (ie no Y lead) . I started by using my HFP-25 to reset the servos (plus open up the deadband to "2" - helps with the "jitters"). Mechanically the geometry of the linkages are good and I measure throws using an Angle pro. So, no actual problem setting up both high rate and low rate one each side to be perfect with a little use of the EPA. However when I switch back and forth from low to high rates both servos re-centre equivalently by a few degrees in unison. I have never noticed this before and if anyone had any suggestions as to what could be going on I would very much appreciate it.

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 4/25/2013 7:03 AM   
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I have an Aurora 9 and have a question around setting up split elevators. It's an Aeroworks Edge and I have 7955tg's on each half - each on its own channel (ie no Y lead) . I started by using my HFP-25 to reset the servos (plus open up the deadband to "2" - helps with the "jitters"). Mechanically the geometry of the linkages are good and I measure throws using an Angle pro. So, no actual problem setting up both high rate and low rate one each side to be perfect with a little use of the EPA. However when I switch back and forth from low to high rates both servos re-centre equivalently by a few degrees in unison. I have never noticed this before and if anyone had any suggestions as to what could be going on I would very much appreciate it.  best   Beej 


Please refer to:
. Digital Servo - Digital vs Analogue Hz, Deadband & Torque effects explained - Servomances
. Digital Servo Instruction Videos - Programming with HFP-10, HFP-20, HPP-21+, HFP-25  ***
. Digital Servo Programming FAQ - Center & End Point - Adjust to Match TX
. Digital Servo Programming FAQ - Center Point May Vary - Why & Correction
. Digital Servo Programming FAQ - Center Point & End Point variance - Why & Correction
. Digital Servo Programming FAQ - Programmer is Preferable to using EPA & Trims on TX
. Digital Servo - Burnout. Cause & Prevention
and more under sub section:
"Servo - Digital & Brushless Servo, Programmers and Software"
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"Radio Systems, Accessories, Alterations and FAQ" at
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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 5/3/2013 9:37 PM   
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What a great flying day outside ,................... it,s about dare time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have recieved my Lipo batterys from HK . They fit perfectly . Now ,............... Would someone be so kind as to send me a picture of how , " YOU " set up the battery ( Lipo ) in the A9 . Those are awefly big wires going into a small terminal .

Thanks

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 5/3/2013 10:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Michel  Hi What a great flying day outside ,................... it,s about dare time
I have recieved my Lipo batterys from HK . They fit perfectly . Now ,............... Would someone be so kind as to send me a picture of how , " YOU " set up the battery ( Lipo ) in the A9 . Those are awefly big wires going into a small terminal . Thanks  Michel 


Set up with an inline connector as per photo under:
Aurora 9 - Lipo & Field Fast Charging. includes Fast Charge Aurora, Eclipse 7 & 7 Pro, Flash 4 & 5, Laser, Optic 6, Optic 5, Lite 4, Prism 7 etc.

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AT ,........................ what more can I ask for ,............... as always ,.................. THANKS .

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RE: New Hitec Aurora 9-Channel 2.4Ghz Radio System - 5/3/2013 11:09 PM   
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Yes ,....... It,s me again .

I have another question :

Exactly , when does one , change the battery type , in the power management system . Before , or after , you change the battery ?

Don,t worry ,................... my wife calls me a pain also .....................

And I set power cutoff to 6.6 , for the lipo ,............

Thanks

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Yes ,....... It,s me again .
I have another question :
Exactly , when does one , change the battery type , in the power management system . Before , or after , you change the battery ?
Don,t worry ,................... my wife calls me a pain also ...................
And I set power cutoff to 6.6 , for the lipo ,............Thanks  Michel  


It realy makes no difference, provided it is done within say  3 minutes either way
. .Aurora 9 - Lipo User Adjustable Voltage sets Shut Down = TURNS TX OFF to save damage to Lipo Battery and/or TX
(Audible Battery Warning is still at 6.9V with Lipo which provides say 10-20 min before shutdown.)
. Aurora 9 - Warning Alarms Battery types, Voltage Level Interpretation & Consumption.
CAUTION - Leave Auto Hibernation (was Auto Power Off prior to V1.06) as "Never" when using Lipo Battery.
During "Auto Hibernation" (as with laptops), TX Does Not Switch everything Off and batteries will be completely drained if TX switch is not
manually moved to the off position in good time. Remove battery and store separately if TX is to be unused for a period.

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