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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/9/2009 10:31 PM   
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Maybe with Dons help we can get the Carolina guys and others together so were ever you go you can go to a race. 424 legal plane, with min. weight 3lbs 4 oz. and OS FX 25. What do you think Don? Jstaff


Jerry,

I replied to a post Don and Doug made about possibly standardizing 424 (2 pole) course lengths around the country. We could even use it for our Q-25 racing.
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Since we do not fly 424 yet in North Texas I just wanted to add my $.02 and comment on what Don said about trying to establish a common pylon distance. Several of the Clubs in Fort Worth and Dallas area can meet the new setback requirements, but have trouble with on overall distance (enough for a pylon courses between 450' - 475') anything longer there becomes a fly beyond issue with only 50'-100' maximum. I know that seems a lot, but flying too long is our biggest problem for first time racer pilots. As I stated in other posts for Q-25, 400' is too short for first time club/sport pilots wanting to pylon race while 500' or more was a little boring for our Q-25 races. That is why we change our course rules to 450' for 2 pole. This is close to the 424 AMA short course distance Don mentioned of 475.5' if you dropped the third pole.

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We don't require that the planes actually go "around" the pylon, just that they "go the distance" as seen from the pylon judges stationed way off course and perpendicular to the pylon line - - just as long as the planes do not go over our "no-fly" and "dead" lines. Most pilots consistently go around the pylons to the best of their abilities. Since we are so far back from the pylon line, we don't seem to have any problems with encroaching on these lines.

According to our experiences, it sound to me that your proposal for a 475' two-pole course for 424 would be suitable.

Doug Bebensee


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We encourage all pilots to go around the pylon and try to keep them on each side of the centerline to avoid midairs, but just require them to make the distance. Since our judges are also stationed way off course (275' or more) and perpendicular to the pylon line - - just as long as the planes do not go over our "no-fly" and "dead" lines. Our pilots are 225' from pylon centerline for Q-25 and are also located off centerline towards the #1 pylon. We use the 1-3 / 2-4 full throttle release start (no push offs) for takeoffs and 2-4 / 1-3 on alternating rounds so there is no advantage. So far no ground takeoff midairs to date for the last three years, but at least (4) flying start midairs when we use them when the wind is out of the North. I don't think our pilots would have a problem moving back to 475.5' for both Q-25 & 424 (2 pole) allowing us same day, same course pylon racing.

Gene

So Jerry what do you think?


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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/12/2009 10:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		May 10, 2009: Q-25 Pylon Series Race #3 at TxWings Club Field, Newark, TX. 1:00PM-4:30PM. This is the third of eight races for the 2009 series. This years series is a best 6 of 8 races and will be divided into two halves: Spring / Fall with (4) races each - pilots will count their best 3 of 4 races for each half to determine the overall series winners.

First I want to say to all the Moms and our fellow racers, I'm sorry! When Gary and I set the race dates back in January the calendar we used didn't have all the special dates listed. This date was set to miss other race dates and the many area events being held in May.

What a beautiful day after Noon for racing. The clouds started to break, out came the sun and the wind might have been 1-3 MPH. The hardest thing we did all day was to land, our racers just didn't want to slow down. We had no crashes, midairs, or even a broken prop all day, but plenty of great close pylon racing. A Special Thank You to all the race volunteers who help to make our pylon racing possible: Michelle & Gene Lord - Registration/Scoring, Billy Talmadge & Tony Stelly - Pylon #1 Judges, Ken Haycock - Pylon #2 Judge, Jim Pope, Sarge, & Ken Knots - Starter/Assistances, and Virginia Hammonds - Concessions, and the pilots who came out to race. There were about two dozen spectators that came out to watch and enjoy the races.

(12) Pilots representing (5) Clubs raced this event. Congratulations to the winners: 1st - Joe Sudduth - STRCC, 2nd - (three way tie, alphabetical order) Darrell Barabash - 114th Aero Squadron, Ken Knotts - FW Thunderbirds, and Ray Thompson - FW Thunderbirds. Due to radio channel conflicts we were unable to have a fly off. Hope the see you at our Q-25 Series Race #4 at FW Thunderbirds Field June 21, 2009.

Link to Q-25 Series Race #3 and Series Overall Standings to date: http://www.txwings.com/?q=node/128

Links to Race Photos (click on May Album): http://txwings.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=9598

Photo #1: (12) Pilots representing (5) Clubs.
Photo #2: Pilots line up for another heat race.
Photo #3: Pilots and racers in the pits (notice the flag).
Photo #4: Race Winners: Joe Sudduth #3, Ken Knotts #77, Darrell Barabash #14, Ray Thompson #56.



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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/13/2009 5:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gene I think 475' would be OK for 424, I like 450' better. Using 475' for Q-25 woiuld push 10 lap times to high 1 minute to 2 minutes, this is very slow and I think some Q-25 guys would get bored with it. Also I think in the 424 class flying around the pylon should be enforced. I know you like myself have seen the headons in Q-25 and c-40. Ask Doug Bebensee about pylon 2 at Nashvile in March a very hard hit nothing came close to anybody but at 424 speeds I think you need to enforce a few more rules.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/13/2009 1:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure how you would enforce "around the pylons". We always said, "Although the cut judges cannot tell if you flew around the pylons, your fellow racers really want you do do that. They may enforce on you if you cause a head-on."

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/14/2009 5:00 AM   
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Not sure how you would enforce "around the pylons". We always said, "Although the cut judges cannot tell if you flew around the pylons, your fellow racers really want you do do that. They may enforce on you if you cause a head-on."

Ken Erickson


Ken,

Like you said, it's hard to enforce "around the pylons" in 2 pole. Our race officials do verbally encourage a pilot to at least get back over on which ever side of pylon centerline they should be on after they "made the distance" and didn't go round the pylon. We only had two "head on midairs" last year for 8 events in Q-25.

Were you part of the Q-25 / Club 40 Challenge race in Waco, TX. in 2008? If so it's good to hear from you again and I'm glad to see you are working so hard to promote pylon racing somewhere else around the country. I have been following your post in several of the other race classes. Keep up your hard work, it sounds like it's starting to pay off.

Gene

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/14/2009 10:20 PM   
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Was not at Waco. We moved to Indiana in November of 2007. Our first, and only so far, grandchild was born here in March of 2007. Took a while to find a house.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/15/2009 6:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		This post is a little off the subject but it did bring the two groups together for some good old racing fun. You missed a really great day of racing in Waco. It was a typical hot Texas summer day with both the heat and the emotions going higher. Like Don Stegall has stated before that Q-25 and Club 40 shouldn't be run against each other in the same class, but an occasional special challenge race between them can be fun. Jim Duda and I were team captains with a ten man team for each class with (2) of each class of pylon racer per heat. We run (5) rounds with (5) heats per round. We used a "split the difference" course length of 425' since Q-25 runs on 450' and Club 40 on 400' in Texas. Scoring was 4,3,2,1 points with an extra lap for a cut, only one allowed. When the dust cleared: Q-25 123 points total to Club 40 124 points total. That was some close pylon racing. It cost the Q-25 guys dinner for the winners.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/16/2009 4:06 AM   
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I remember reading about that event. It sounded like fun.

Down here when we run a two pole event we have a "no button hook needed" statement. It would require a judge for confirming the turn in a hazzardous area. As mentioned the far turn flaggers just confirm the model broke the plane of the pylon before dropping the flag.



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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/18/2009 2:29 AM   
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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/29/2009 6:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just wondering if all the Q-25 racers have gone to sleep? I'm still looking for post from other Q-25 groups from around the country so we can compare rules and race procedures. Don't be shy, jump in and be counted.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 5/31/2009 6:40 PM   
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Gene, what i'm about to say is off subject, but have you heard about the Briggs, TX race on June 27 and 28.  424 two pole will be run on a 608' course on the 27.  I know some of you have been talking of running 424 two pole so hears your chance.  Other classes to be run are C40, and 80"WS Sundowners.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 6/1/2009 12:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the race Jerry mentioned above...

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 6/1/2009 6:04 AM   
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Jerry & Jim

I have Club meetings both Monday June 2th (FW Thunderbirds) and Tuesday June 3rd (Texas Wings). I will bring up the June 27 & 28, 2009 races at Freddie's ranch. I will also see about coming down to watch or help if you need any.  This will give me a chance to see Stan's light system and see how races are run using them. We have several of the Q-25 guys who have 424 racers with TT .40 PRO on them who have been talking about going to a race. Looks like here is our chance. 

Gene   

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 6/1/2009 3:46 PM   
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Gene, I hope to see some of your group there.  I'll give you a C40 plane to race with if you want to do some flying.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 6/4/2009 8:25 AM   
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Thank you for the offer. Are you sure you want to put one of your racers in danger? I know you have seen me fly before.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 6/4/2009 8:40 AM   
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I have posted both the race and pratice dates on FW Thunderbirds and Texas Wings forums / message boards. There could be 4-8 or more of our local pylon racers going down to Freddie's ranch to race June 27th. Several others are talking about making the road trip just to watch the action. 

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 6/10/2009 6:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Q-25 Pylon Racing - Race Promoters for Q-25 please respond.  

I'm still looking for Q-25 pylon racing groups around the country to come forward, be reconized, and counted. The guys in the Carolinas seem to be one of the more active groups. Who else out there is racing Q-25?

Gene Hodges
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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 6/25/2009 5:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		June 21, 2009: "Happy Father's Day" to all.

We had (14) pilots for Father's Day Race in our Q-25 Pylon Series Race #4 representing (5) R/C Clubs and (1) Independent AMA Member. The winds were moderate with the temperature and racing action very hot! Two pylon racers were lost to midairs (both had their tails cut off from behind). I want to thank the spectators, pilots, and race officials who came out to support and help make our pylon races possible. Special Thanks to Jeanne Alphin (Race Central), Verne "Sarge" Bell (South pylon judge), Gene Lord (North pylon judge), Darrell Barabash & Ken Knotts (assistant starter/race officials), who helped Gary and I run the races. This concludes the first half of your racing season and we will be taking a two month break for the hot months and will resume pylon racing September 13, at Texas Wings Club Field. Hope to see you there!

Congratulations to our winners: (1st) Joe Sudduth - STRCC, (2nd) Gene Hodges - TxWings, (3rd) Bobby Slaughter - FW Thunderbirds.

Link to Series Race #4 results: http://www.txwings.com/?q=node/317
Link to 2009 Overall Standings: http://www.txwings.com/?q=node/307

*** Photos not posted to TxWings photo gallery due to some technical issues that should be resolved soon.

Photo #1: (14) race pilots for Father's Day Race.
Photo #2: Race Winners: (L-R) Joe Sudduth, Gene Hodges, Bobby Slaughter missing from photo.
Photo #3: Bob Hubbard's #74 racer after his midair with Ken Knotts (Ken had no damage).
Photo #4: Darrell Barabash's #14 after his midair with Len Minco (Len had no damage).
Photo #5: Gary Alphin (Race CD) conducts pilot's meeting.
Photo #6: Dad and the Boys watching the races.
Photo #7: Duane from STRCC (Seven Towers Radio Control Club) and his family at the races.
Photo #8: Jerry from RRCC (Richardson Radio Control Club) came over to join the fun.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 7/9/2009 2:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just wanted to stay in touch with everybody. We are in our mid-season break for our Q-25 Pylon Series. Todays temperature in North Texas will be 101 with a heat index of 107, you have to love summertime in this part of Texas. I'm looking forward to going to Briggs, Texas near Austin July 18th-19th to run some Club 40 and 424 pylon races. Since Q-25 uses the same airframe rules as 424 it will give me a chance to see what 424 is all about with hope of starting a 424 series in North Texas for our more advanced Q-25 pilots who are wanting to move up to a faster racing class. Will keep you posted, hopefully with some good news and photos.

I'm still looking for other Q-25 race promoters to join in and be countered. Your comments will be greatly appreciated. Have fun and keep em racing!

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 7/25/2009 3:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Several of the North Texas Q-25 pylon racers flew at this event. Here is the link to my post and some of the photos I promised from the Club 40 & 424 pylon races at Freddie's Flying Ranch - Briggs, TX.

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http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8812242/mpage_2/tm.htm

Hope you enjoy the photos.

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Photo below: North Texas Q-25 Pylon Pilot's racing one of their 424 heat races.
(L-R / Middle-Bottom) Jerry Stafford - Richardson Radio Control Club (RRCC), Darrell Barabash - 114th Aero Squadron / FW T-Birds, Ken Knotts - FW T-Birds (congratulations for his 5th place finish overall), & David Darcy - FW T-Birds.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 9/5/2009 7:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well it's that time of the year again in North Texas. Our temperatures have dropped from the 100+ degrees back down into the 90's. It's time to start our second half of our Q-25 pylon racing series. Race #5 of our 8 race series will be September 13, 2009 at Texas Wings club field. If your are in the area, please come join us. I will post results and photos after the races.

It's good to be back to pylon racing.

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 9/12/2009 11:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		September 13, 2009: Q-25 Pylon Series Race #5 at Texas Wings Club Field has been Canceled due to rain and muddy conditions. As of 4:00PM Saturday, Sept. 12th it was still raining at the field with a 80% tonight to 60% chance of rain continuing Sunday. Even if it stopped raining the road and parking areas have standing water on them and will not be usable. *** No reschedule date at this time. ***

Sorry Guys, we all wanted to race this Sunday!

*** Next Q-25 pylon series race #6 at FW Thunderbirds Field October 18, 2009.

Hope to see your there!

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 9/13/2009 2:46 PM   
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September 13, 2009: Q-25 Pylon Series Race #5 at Texas Wings Club Field has been Canceled due to rain and muddy conditions.




And I have my new Buckshot ready to whup ass too.... DARN! Well, we need the rain. If it clears up for awhile, I'll go to T-bird and do some test flying.


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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 9/14/2009 9:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Guys, got to give a BIG congrads to Maurice Pugh winning the High Point NC Quickie 25 race this past weekend. Maurice has worked very hard and suffered through many trials but persistance must have paid off!! Even with an deadstick landing into the pole and a sliced fuel line he came out on top and was running fast and precise. Some good racing over here in NC !!

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RE: Q-25 Pylon Racing - 9/14/2009 10:29 PM   
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