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DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 1:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was thinking of purchasing a DL 100. It seems like everyone was very happy with them when they first fired them up. I have a few questions for owners:

How do you like them now that you have some experience with the engine?

What is the total weight (engine, mufflers, ignition)?

I've heard the DL 100, DA 100, DA85, and ZDZ Super 80 all turn the same prop the same rpms.............what props are you using (I was thinking a 27x10 would be right) and what rpms are they turning?

I was also considering a ZDZ Super 80 or DA 85 (for a 26 lb Sukhoi)........any recommendations?


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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 1:27 AM   
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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 1:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is correct. The 100 is now a 111. New pistons, cylinders, rings, and mods to the crankcase to accept the new cylinders and pistons. Weight is slightly less with the new 111 over the old 100. DL now calls them DLE. The old 100 is still available form most retailers at reduced prices.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 1:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		The new DL engines are 111. I have a 100 with about 10 gallons through it. So far I'm very happy with it. Starts right up everytime, runs smooth after you get a couple gallons through it and get the needles adjusted and makes great power. I have mine on a Wildhare Extra that comes in just under 28 pounds and it hovers it with ease, and I'm at 5800 ft altitude. I've run a Xoar 27X10 and a Vess 27X10 on it so far. The Vess had better vertical. I'm going to try a NX and a Mejzlik(sp) just because I like playing with props.
Time will tell on how they perform after a lot of hours, but so far I have no complaints.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 1:41 AM   
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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 1:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't tached it in awhile(I'm not much on rpm numbers) but I believe I was getting 6300 on the Xoar.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 1:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		My DL-100's with ignition and stock mufflers is 96.1 oz.

DL-100 number one, JFX 27 X 10 @ 6250 rpm, Mejzlik 27 X 10 @ 6500 rpm.
DL-100 number two ( brand new ) Mejzlik 27 X 10TH @ 6450 rpm.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 1:56 AM   
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My DL-100's with ignition and stock mufflers is 96.1 oz.

DL-100 number one, JFX 27 X 10 @ 6250 rpm, Mejzlik 27 X 10 @ 6500 rpm.
DL-100 number two ( brand new ) Mejzlik 27 X 10TH @ 6450 rpm.



Did you notice much difference between the Mejzlik and the TH?

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 2:13 AM   
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Did you notice much difference between the Mejzlik and the TH?




The DL-100 with about gallon nuber five is in a Lanier 33% Yak 54.
That is the one with the regular Mejzlik 27 X 10.

The DL-100 With the TH on it is brand new and it is in a Hangar 9 35% Extra 260.
This plane still needs to be maidened.
I am just waiting for the weather to break and start my flying season.

I am going to put each prop on each plane and see what differance I see in the different airframes, just haven't had a chance yet.






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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 4:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The 80 and 85 aren't going to get there unless you put a tuned pipe on it.

Personally I would stick with the twin, smoother and has the edge on power. If you put tuned pipes on a 100 then it walks away from the 80s. Now if your plane was 23-24 pounds it might be a different story, however I would personally still lean towards the 100 because of future use factors.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 4:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		ZDZ Super 80. $645.00 from TBM. I just asked myself this question a few days back. The DA 85 shakes too much. The DL's warranties aren't worth a crap- from TBM anyway. Don't know about anywhere else. Now the warranty is alot better on the premium engines. So that narrowed it down between the Super 80 and the DA 100. I went to check the price at RCS and seen they closed shop. TBM took over and was having a sale. I got the last one they had. They have more coming in next week and they will still be on sale. So you can have a Super 80 at half the price of a DA 100. It's a no brainer. The 80 weighs less and it puts out the power. Doesn't shake like the DA 85 either. It's your money though, spend it as you wish.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 5:28 AM   
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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 5:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the replies.................

I have a ZDZ 60 (2 years old) that I've been very happy with. I've pretty much narrowed it down to the ZDZ Super 80 or the DL 100. Everyone seems to love their DL, but I
don't know anything about them. I usually buy only DA or ZDZ.............still, $700 for a 100cc twin is hard to pass up. Does anyone have comparative numbers between the 2 (rpms). Yes, I know the numbers can be "padded". From what I've seen, a ZDZ 80 turns a 27x10~6300 rpms (is that what you guys have seen)??? I think that is the same as a
DL or DA 100. Isn't that= to 50 lbs of thrust?

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/20/2009 7:46 AM   
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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/21/2009 6:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have 2 zdz 50 and several DL 50's and one DL 100.
I got very similar rpm's from zdz and dl 50's swinging xoar 22x8. I find dl's to be easier to hand flip vs zdz from cold start. No problems so far from the dl 50's.
I find it a bit surprising that zdz 80 can swing same level as DA/DL 100. I agree it's hard to replace displacement...
I have less than a gallon on my dl 100. Getting good idle 1250 after only one tank run, and very smooth mid range. Just waiting for the damn thing to break in, getting only 5980rpm on xoar 27x10. Got mejzlik 26x12 to tach next. Don't know anything yet about the newer dl 55 and 111 performance. Might buy a dl 55 from my wholesaler just for kicks and test it.


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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/21/2009 6:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		An 80 won't swing what a 100 swings unless it's on a tuned pipe. The Super 80 swings a PT 26x10 around 6300 on a pitts muffler, it doesn't wake up until it's on a pipe, same for the DA 85.

A 100 will turn a 27/28 /10 in the low 6k depending on prop on reg muffs.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/21/2009 6:28 PM   
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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/21/2009 7:51 PM   
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An 80 won't swing what a 100 swings unless it's on a tuned pipe. The Super 80 swings a PT 26x10 around 6300 on a pitts muffler, it doesn't wake up until it's on a pipe, same for the DA 85.

A 100 will turn a 27/28 /10 in the low 6k depending on prop on reg muffs.


You are way off on the DA-85, it will swing a PT 26-10 at 6900 on a Slimline pitts muffler. My flying buddy has the ZDZ super 80 on pitts muffler and I have a DA-85 on a pitts muffler. The ZDZ does not even come close in power setup this way.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/22/2009 7:07 AM   
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An 80 won't swing what a 100 swings unless it's on a tuned pipe. The Super 80 swings a PT 26x10 around 6300 on a pitts muffler, it doesn't wake up until it's on a pipe, same for the DA 85.

A 100 will turn a 27/28 /10 in the low 6k depending on prop on reg muffs.


You are way off on the DA-85, it will swing a PT 26-10 at 6900 on a Slimline pitts muffler. My flying buddy has the ZDZ super 80 on pitts muffler and I have a DA-85 on a pitts muffler. The ZDZ does not even come close in power setup this way.

Comparing the two engines, how's the vibration? Does your DA vibrate quite abit more than his ZDZ?

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/22/2009 11:23 AM   
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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/27/2009 12:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a DA85 for a year now, it has like 30 galls. It´s on a 21 pound extra, and it doesn´t shake badly at all. A fellow club member has a 80rvj on a 33 yak, but it doesn´t have the prop hub balanced, so it shake more than my DA.
Both are spinning a vess 26b, and my DA has a little more power.
No leaking or service needed. I really like this engine.
A 100cc twin engine will pull a 27x10 or 28x10 prop much harder than a 80-85cc single, with standar exhaust.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/27/2009 1:53 AM   
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An 80 won't swing what a 100 swings unless it's on a tuned pipe. The Super 80 swings a PT 26x10 around 6300 on a pitts muffler, it doesn't wake up until it's on a pipe, same for the DA 85.

A 100 will turn a 27/28 /10 in the low 6k depending on prop on reg muffs.


You are way off on the DA-85, it will swing a PT 26-10 at 6900 on a Slimline pitts muffler. My flying buddy has the ZDZ super 80 on pitts muffler and I have a DA-85 on a pitts muffler. The ZDZ does not even come close in power setup this way.



Actually I wasn't way off at all... I quote an rpm from the ZDZ Super 80. I said it doesn't wake up until it's on a pipe. I made a mistake of using a comma and including the 85 in the same sentance, sorry. The DA 85 has more power yes, but we are still talking about 26" props and a PT. I meant that the 85 doesn't really wake up until its on a pipe either and then it can turn 27" props effectively.

I would recommend your buddy doublecheck which pitts he has... There was a big difference in performance between 2 brands. I am sorry I can't remember what brand was better (played with them last year) but we noticed a big improvement making the switch, either way the DA def. has the edge, but the ZDZ is a lot smoother.






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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/27/2009 1:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		My DA85 after the breakin is pretty smooth.
I will admit it was a shaker for a few gallons, but I was also running a little rich.
It swings a Zoar 26x10 at 7200-7400 in the air.
Using Eagle tree seagull pro monitor for in flight data.
I would buy another DA85 without hesitation.
It is not a smooth as my DA100's but close.
My DA85, stock pitts pipe on a Mejzlik 27x10 lugs a bit, happier with a 26x10.

Here at 5K+ elevation and 26lbs I would go with a DA100.
DA85 for 21lbs.
DA100 for 27lbs

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/27/2009 3:29 AM   
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An 80 won't swing what a 100 swings unless it's on a tuned pipe. The Super 80 swings a PT 26x10 around 6300 on a pitts muffler, it doesn't wake up until it's on a pipe, same for the DA 85.

A 100 will turn a 27/28 /10 in the low 6k depending on prop on reg muffs.


You are way off on the DA-85, it will swing a PT 26-10 at 6900 on a Slimline pitts muffler. My flying buddy has the ZDZ super 80 on pitts muffler and I have a DA-85 on a pitts muffler. The ZDZ does not even come close in power setup this way.



Actually I wasn't way off at all... I quote an rpm from the ZDZ Super 80. I said it doesn't wake up until it's on a pipe. I made a mistake of using a comma and including the 85 in the same sentance, sorry. The DA 85 has more power yes, but we are still talking about 26" props and a PT. I meant that the 85 doesn't really wake up until its on a pipe either and then it can turn 27" props effectively.

I would recommend your buddy doublecheck which pitts he has... There was a big difference in performance between 2 brands. I am sorry I can't remember what brand was better (played with them last year) but we noticed a big improvement making the switch, either way the DA def. has the edge, but the ZDZ is a lot smoother.








I am not sure which muffler he has, but I am guessing it is restrictive. That is the first and only ZDZ Super 80 I have seen and thought it should have more power.

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RE: DL 100, DA 85, or ZDZ Super 80 (DL 100 info needed) - 3/27/2009 3:49 AM   
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