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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/23/2003 4:11:36 AM   
    flyboy1950


     

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    TopFlight Cockpit. Elite Force WW II Pilot Flyboy1950

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/23/2003 4:22:18 AM   
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    Finally ... a couple of extras I did. Radiator intake and funtional cooling flap that operates with the throttle servo! All in all about $1600 in the air. First flight should come this weekend! Thanks for looking. This ones been alot of fun!! Flyboy 1950

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/23/2003 4:26:25 AM   
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    Oh ... I forgot. The anti collision light on the belly flashes! Actually, it's a reciever voltage sensor and uses an led. It flashes as long as the voltage is above 4.8 volts.
    I'm using a 2700 Mah 6 volt NIMH main battery and seperate 600 MAH Nicad for the gear.
    Flyboy 1950

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/23/2003 4:31:27 AM   
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    All I can say is WOW!!! Nice job, Flyboy!

    Clay

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/23/2003 4:37:20 AM   
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    Flyboy.., nice job..

    Lets us know how the struts work out for you. Were they much of a problem using the stock mechanisms? Can you give step by step of that process now that they are in as I would consider doing the same thing.

    Have fun this weekend.. Nice looking plane...

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/23/2003 2:50:06 PM   
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    Yo Rocky! I looked at a lot of options regarding the gear and kind of feel that pressure tanks and pumping before every flight is a pain so I though trying to make the stock mechanism work was worth a try. I had heard all the complaints about the stock gear being too flexible and frankly, as you can see, I'm a scale nut and would not be happy with the look of the stock wire gear. The Robart 662 Offset Struts needed a lot of modification to make them fit the stock wheelwells. I did not want to mess with the nice finished look from Hanger 9. The 662's come 9" long from the factory and needed to be cut down to 6" (plus the wire that extends into the mechanism). Essentially, I had to take the struts apart, remove the piston and spring, shorten the strut to 6". I then discovered that I had to shorten the strut and the spring by 1/2". The struts come with steel inserts that had to be drilled out to fit the factory wires (I think 12mm?) and then the steel inserts are soldered into the tubes with a torch. You can do this without damaging the paint at the top of the strut but afterall, it's a warbird. The gear would not be spic and span on a real mustang. You can repaint. I also opened up a small section of the sheeting of the wing to reinforce the factory gear mounts. I did this for two reasons. 1. I generally feel that ARF's are not built strong enough in that area and reather that ficx the damage later, I beefed it up now. and 2. The original gear mount rails need to be shaved to allow the wheels to sink deeper into the wells for the offset struts. I left the factory rails in place and made 1" hardwood blocks that fit snuggly under each factory rail and epoxied in place. Take a look at Post #214 above and you can see a picture of the wing before I closed it back up. The result was a very strong mount for the gear. (I have 1 1/4 " screws attaching the gear to the wing!). I not only shaved the the side of the rails closest to the wells but I also shaved the front rail so that the gear would be a bit more forward when extended to minimize the nose over effect of the Mustang. I used Hitec HS-75 Retract servos. I used heavy duty servo arms and upgraded the hardware at the servo end to heavy duty with permanent steel
    washes to hold them to the servo. I tried eliminating the hardware at the servo end and tried z bends. Forget it. You really need the ability to be able to adjust at the servo end. Adjustment ie critical. There is an adjustment screw on the gear mechanism to limit side to side wobble. Don't try to be too tight or the servo will struggle to release the lock in the down position. So I'm all lubicated and the gear seems to be working fine in the shop. P.S. The gear is on a seperate battery pak isolated from the receiver battery. If the gear gets locked in a partial up-down position, those 110 OZ servos can suck the juice out of a battery a hurry. This insures that I don't lose the model if the gear becomes an issue. Wow ... aren't you sorry you asked? Thanks, Flyboy1950

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/23/2003 3:24:50 PM   
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    Flyboy,

    That's an impressive piece of engineering you described in getting the Robart 662s to work in the H9 design. But, for those of us who clearly don't have your engineering expertise and would probably mess it up, did you identify an alternative after-market installation in your research with less redesign work necessary?

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/23/2003 3:44:59 PM   
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    Flyboy - impressive job. Looks good - hope it flys good for you.

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/24/2003 1:21:10 AM   
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    Yo Clay. It really isn't that difficult! Just follow my steps. I don't know of an alternative
    other than some of the air systems mentioned. Hey Capt G! What did you do ... hit the gear switch first , then rotate?? Great picture. I worked too hard on the air scoop to risk that! Are you flying your 1.50 and hows it going? Flyboy 1950

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/24/2003 6:58:10 AM   
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    I've got about 8 flights so far but now I'm on hold 'till I get the Spring Airs for it.

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/24/2003 1:43:35 PM   
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    The takeoff photo is done using a technique described in Model Aviation a few months back.......Great photo but you never can get the wingtips in

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/24/2003 5:46:08 PM   
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    Yo Capt G! Tell me about the 4 blade prop? Your not flying with that are you? Flyboy1950

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/24/2003 7:54:10 PM   
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    No Saito 1.8 users with an opinion?




    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 (in reply to Capt G) Contact Moderator | (Post No. 220)
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    For those of you flying this plane with the Saito 1.8...

    What prop sizes have you been turning for the best and scale like performance?

    Oriole

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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/25/2003 12:15:30 AM   
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    I have a Saito 1.80 that is currently in another plane. I haven't decided if I will be putting it in my H-9 mustang yet.

    I like an 18x6 on the 1.80, but some prefer the APC 17x6. I am currently using pro-zingers and get 9000 +/- tuned for flying, but the engine is far from broken in yet. When I can get one, I plan on switching to a Mezjlik 18x6, as I have heard that is the prop for the 1.80.




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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 (in reply to Capt G) Contact Moderator | (Post No. 220)
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    For those of you flying this plane with the Saito 1.8...

    What prop sizes have you been turning for the best and scale like performance?

    Oriole


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    RE: Hangar 9 150 Size P-51 - 10/25/2003 6:24:31 AM