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RE: RE: - 5/12/2012 4:53 AM   
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Thanks, i'm open to anything.

Have any ideas as to what they'ed be good for. there NIB
 


Those 300 twins are awesome engines. They sound terrific and have loads of power. I would love to have one. I believe they are equal to a 40 / 50 cc gasser. Look on youtube for some ideas. They sound so much nicer than your run of the mill 40 cc gas engines .. Love that saito deep growl. I saw a guy put one on a large sundowner.. Overpowered to say the least.

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RE: RE: - 5/12/2012 11:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know which 1.20 engines you have but useing 1.20S specs of the engine I have putting out 2.1 HP at 9,000 RPM

Two 14x8 3-blade Masterairscew props you sould get 23.2 pounds of thrust at at estamated flying speed of 68 mph.

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RE: RE: - 5/12/2012 11:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Flyboy.15, My Nosen weighs in at about 38 pounds, glassed, painted, retracts. It flies fine on a pair of Saito 1.20's. I'm using Graupner , Super Extra 14/7 three bladed props. I replaced the two, older O.S. 1.20's with the Saitos two years ago, it flew fine with the old O.S. also, using the same props.
Watching the overall weight, it sounds like you're set in the power department. Myself, I would prefer a single cylinder for a twin application, but they do sound nice and are powerful.

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RE: RE: - 5/12/2012 8:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I finally got out to fly today and took Old Faithful ( Goldberg Cub) and my 1/4 scale Lanier Laser 200 for some fun in the sun................ Then I heard it................. That distinct sound of 2 engines running in perfect harmony.....................OK WHERE IS IT?...................Nice!!! Full scale Cessna 310 flyover...... Ok, I'm done. Just needed to share.

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RE: RE: - 5/12/2012 10:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, I have to share my story, it involves a full scale 310 also. It was the "maiden" flight for my Nosen 310, over 30 years ago at the Monticello airport. We had just made a first flight, left the gear down, and everything went just fine.
We refueled , took off, and the second flight we checked the retracts out, again, everything went just fine. We noticed a full scale aircraft coming into the circuit, we landed and waited to see what they were going to do.
Gear down,flaps down, on aproach, here comes this beautiful Cessna 310. The gal in the left seat smiled and waved, hit the throttles and was gone. It was a good day for the 310, and we never did know who that was.
It sure made my day special for the first flight of my Nosen 310, and how often would something like that happen? Oh, the personal aircraft of that airport's manager was..............yup, a Cessna 310.

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RE: RE: - 5/13/2012 1:25 AM   
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now tell everyone how long it has been since you have flown your 310

sorry jim i could not help myself and besides i know you miss this.

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RE: RE: - 5/13/2012 1:44 AM   
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Since you are telling that story i will tell you mine. I had been looking at this plane for a couple of years before i bought the first kit but after doing so i started hanging out at the airport in fort smith ar and low and behold a cessna310p should up so i talked to the pilot and told him about our project and he told me i was welcome to take all the pictures of his airplane i wanted. Well you did not have to tell me twice i went home got the camera and shot 72 pictures of his airplane. This gentleman was from Mckinney Texas and had family in fort smith so he made the trip often. When we finished the plane but still had not flown it i called him to tell him it was complete and he asked if i could bring it to the airport to have pictures taken with the full scale, of course i said yes and we met that weekend. after taking mine apart and putting it away this man must of seen the droole running down my cheek for he ask me if we want to go for a ride. i took the right seat my wife took one rear seat and my builder took the other to say we had a great time would be a understatement we stayed out at least a half hour but it ended all to soon. We had a fly-inn not soon after and he did a low fly-by in the full scale and then came out to our field to watch me fly mine he took video and i still have a copy of that flight that i watch from time to time but i guess the best part is that not long after that i got a package in the mail and it was a magazine called the twin cessna flyer and there on the cover was both of our 310's i opened the front cover and there was the story of how mine came to be the twin cessna flyer was a magazine put out for all cessna twin owners. i still have my copy somewhere but since the move have not found it yet but that day is still in the front of my memeory and so is the love for this plane.

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RE: - 5/13/2012 4:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		thanks for the info, wasn't shure if the 120S's would have enought power to fly the thing and didn't want to find out after it was in the air. lol Considered using a pair of DLE 30's but thought the sound of twin 4-strokes would be ALOT better.

Will always take info and sugestions, I'll probably have more questions as I go throught the airplane...

Thanks again, Ethan.

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RE: RE: - 5/13/2012 8:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Years ago we lost a flying site and needed to find a new place to fly. Well there was an ultalite field about 10 miles outside of Valley Forge National Park that one of the members found and approached the owner. Soon after we had a new flying site, which was great because the grass runway was almost endless and it was pretty much ready to fly from. Well this one particular weekend there was about 8-10 of us flying and I just happened to have my Cessna Bobcat in the air when all of a sudden someone yells "Full Scale coming in. It was the owner of the property doing a couple low passes over the field in his..........You guessed it........Cessna 310! I had already landed and taxied off the runway just in time to see this beautiful red and white 310 buzzing the field. I was sure he was going to land and was coming in low to let us know he was, but after a couple passes he flew off into the big blue sky... Never fotget that sound...

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RE: RE: - 5/13/2012 12:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Al, it has to be two years, the Multi Fly wasn't a go last year, but we were there the year before with the 310, but we don't remember seeing you there. I can't remember your excuses either, oh well,maybe the next time we meet you'll remind me. It was so many, how could I remember them all anyway, huh?

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RE: - 5/13/2012 12:35 PM   
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Status: online 		Good morning Guys,

We have a new member to join our group, it is with great pleasure that I introduce Ethan

FlyBoy.15 #62 Texas

Welcome Ethan, glad to have you as one of the group here on RCU.

I think we should all feel very honored to have a young man of Ethan's age join our "Elite Group".
I for one, as I know most all of you will be more than glad to assist in his efforts to finish the build
on the Nosen Cessna 310 he is hoping to finish prior to starting school agian in the fall, by giving
your "Expert Opinions" to any and all questions that he may have.

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RE: RE: - 5/13/2012 4:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ethan,

Welcome to the group and let me just back up what bill said, If you can't find the answers here you will not find them anywhere for everyone of us is willing to help all you need to do is ask.


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RE: - 5/14/2012 2:43 AM   
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 Bill and Allen

Thanks for the welcome, and I am very glad to be a part of this club. I already have a few questions to ask.

Are there any options for retracts other than robart? (little pricey)

Earlier in this forum i saw where someone used what looks to be 3/8 alumiunm tubing for the joints just outside of the engine nasels on a 3 peace wing. Was wondering how that turned out and if it was strong enough? Our part finished 310 has been done in a similar way, wing flexing is my concern and didn't know if it needed a total re-model to a one peace version or larger wing tubes. 


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RE: - 5/14/2012 12:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings Ethan

Not meaning to cut in here but I like the carbon fiber wing tubes located here http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/category/WT00/Wing-and-Spar-Tubes.html this company is just one of many that sell cf tubes. I have read accounts of problems with the aluminum tubes not fitting well and causing wing wag.

If you check back just a few posts you will see where one builder has ordered a retract set from Hobbyking. I am waiting to see just how these work out as they are much less expensive. Hope this helps.

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RE: RE: - 5/14/2012 12:12 PM   
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 Bill and Allen

Thanks for the welcome, and I am very glad to be a part of this club. I already have a few questions to ask.

Are there any options for retracts other than robart? (little pricey)

Earlier in this forum i saw where someone used what looks to be 3/8 alumiunm tubing for the joints just outside of the engine nasels on a 3 peace wing. Was wondering how that turned out and if it was strong enough? Our part finished 310 has been done in a similar way, wing flexing is my concern and didn't know if it needed a total re-model to a one peace version or larger wing tubes. 


Thanks, Ethan





Ethan, the aluminum wing tubes are of the original design, check the plans from the other kit that you have and you will see
that is the way that Bud Nosen designed this aircraft, for ease of transportation, the outer panels are detachable. There is not
a flexing problem with this system, as long as they fit without a lot of slop, but if you decide to go with retracts you will more than
likely have to notch the tubes for wheel clearance, check back through the thread and I think you will find a picture posted showing
this. A one piece wing is a huge undertaking, yes it is stronger, but remember this plane has a 10 foot wingspan, it would be like handling a long
"surf board", not to mention transporting that massive wing.

On the question of retracts Robart I have been told are the best for this model but, I think that Sierra Giant Scale made a set
for the Nosen 310 at one time but they aren't shown on the web site anymore. Centry Jet Products has gear for this aircraft
but they are just as pricey as the Robart's. Spring Air also made a set that was suitable for the 310 but I haven't been able to
find them on their web site either. Check back on the last couple of pages, one of the group has ordered a gear set from Hobby
King for there 80cc T-28 and is waiting on them arriving to see the quality of the product. But just remember that if you put all
of this time into a model of this size you don't want to cut cost on one of the most important areas of this aircraft.

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RE: - 5/14/2012 1:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Bill how are you doing with the glass fuse? I am interested in this option, looks like it can save some weight.

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RE: RE: - 5/14/2012 8:33 PM   
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I believe you might be looking at some of my Pics, about the 3/8 Alum Tubes, If your wing is not built yet do the mod and use a larger tube
for the joints. Mine are about 3/8 tubes with Solid steel in the centers to stiffen them up. However they do flex a little bit when moving on Grass
my field is all grass with a runway and taxi ways cut down to 1" and the rest is 2" if I put retracts in it I will use a larger tube and socket
with alignment dowels front and rear. as far as attaching the outer wing panels the Plans show 2 screws throught the tube under the nacelle.
I modded mine to a single bolt between the tubes with a solid hardwood block in the outer panel and tapped for the bolt, to tighten the bolt
I have a hatch on the nacelle that i can open to get to the bolt. Hope this shed some light on the subject for you. If you have any questions
Let me know. Thanks Cliff

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RE: RE: - 5/14/2012 10:49 PM   
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RE: - 5/15/2012 2:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Again, thanks for the welcome. Will enlarge the wing tubes but never thought about using cf insted of alumnium, do want to keep the easier transportation of the 3 peace wing. Will do some more looking on retracts with Bill's point in mind.

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RE: RE: - 5/15/2012 12:03 PM   
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Hey Bill how are you doing with the glass fuse? I am interested in this option, looks like it can save some weight.



The glass fuselage is definately the way to go to save weight, I am still in the wing center section mod that I have been
working on, which involves moving the wing tubes both forward and aft of the positions shown on the plans, as I have
recently received a set of landing gear I can now move forward on this project. I will finish the wing and tail feathers
before moving onto the fuselage, although I have been doing some prelim sketches to include the full cockpit kit from
Bob Dively Models.

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RE: RE: - 5/17/2012 10:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hobby King T-28 gear came in today. That didn't take long.

The gear looks OK. Not as good as Robart's but not bad for 1/5 the cost.

The welds look OK. I'll get a better look later when I bead blast the primer off.

The nose gear indeed is not 90°. It's not out as far as the 310G's but it dose stick out.

Main gear are a little long and will need to be trimmed.

Just by mocking up the gear locations on the plans it looks like they will be a good fit.

I was a little worried that they would be to large and heavy since they are "80cc" gear.

However my first guess was right. Hope the T-28 guys make nice smooth landings.

So for right now they look nicely made. I won't trust the air fittings though. I'd buy a name brand set if I was going to use them with air.







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RE: RE: - 5/18/2012 8:22 AM   
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Last night I remembered the wing dihedral angle. The main gear just might fit without trimming do to them being mounted higher as the wing angle rises.

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RE: RE: - 5/19/2012 12:38 PM   
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Status: online 		Amish once you bead blast the primer off, let us know if the joints are braised or weld joints,
I would do some filling tig welds as these joints look suspect,if they are welded, especially the
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RE: RE: - 5/26/2012 12:41 PM   
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The nose gear indeed is not 90°. It's not out as far as the 310G's but it dose stick out.





The nose gear on ther full size Cessna 310-G model is 105 degrees, the wire gear shown on the plan is
a bit exagerated, I think Bud did that to give it the rake that is a charater of the 310 nose gear.

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