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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 9/29/2012 3:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		"A nice correction, even if it's more than 3 years ago." ??????????????

The post before mine was dated 9/27/2012.

Unless my ageing has REALLY gotten to me, that was a couple of days ago.

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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 9/29/2012 5:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry about the confusion but if you'll check out my post a little closer you'll see that even though my post followed yours, in fact I was replying to "RKHinson". Says so in the corner.
Maybe I should have quoted him.

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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 9/30/2012 3:19 PM   
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That would have helped. I TRY to do it all the time, just for that reason.

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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 9/30/2012 4:56 PM   
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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 9/30/2012 11:59 PM   
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Situations like these are why I choose to fly alone. I can barely afford the planes I have, let alone having to pay for someone elses plane if something happens.



Some clubs don't let you fly alone or prefer you at least have one person with you.

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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/1/2012 1:12 AM   
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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/1/2012 1:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		At our club the normal flying time is 3:00pm on Sundays. Three of us get there around 1:00pm and we usually just take turns until the crowd shows up. The three of us will share the same flight stand and use each others starters and glow igniters.

I agree with most of this thread. If you're flying and hit something on the ground you're the one responsible. If it's a mid-air then everyman for himself. Not willing to risk it ??? Stay grounded until the skies clear.


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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/1/2012 1:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		In fact I observed an incident as has been described. A pilot flying an expensive jet lost his plane because a beginner without a lot of experience, flying a 40 size trainer took off, immediately lost control, and his plane started heading for the pilot station manned by the jet pilot. The jet pilot ducked to get out of the way and in the process lost control of his jet which crashed into trees at the far end of the field. The beginner, who was very undertstandly quite upset, did indeed pay the jet pilot a negotiated price for replacing the jet

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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/5/2012 5:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have read through all the posts and agree with some on, if you can't afford to lose it then don't fly it, if it is your fault then pay for it, and mid-airs are usually no-fault scenarios. What no one is talking about is the practice of flying so many aircraft types at the same time. A student with a trainer and an experienced jet guy up at the same time! Foamies and big glow biplanes on taxiway together? Our club does not have any rules in place but usually we don't mix gas and glow with foamies, we don't fly fixed wing with the helicopters, or combat wings with anything else. It is just courtsey and if one does go up with another class of aircraft already flying he does so at his own risk. Seems to work for us as we don't have these issues. The hobby is changing with more sizes and power systems and material choices than ever. The speed envelopes and space requirements are vastly different. We even fly micros out doors at the field on very ncie days, but one circling over the field at low altitude while an 80 inch warbird is on final don't make much sense.

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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/6/2012 12:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have had a few crashes due to others. My comment to them each of the three times. " Shi-t happens". If I can't afford to lose it I should not be flying it.
To me it does not matter how the accident occured. Of course this does not apply if it was something done intentional which I have never seen nor think I will.
I even seen a guy at TopGun get really pissed about a mid air, will not give details, and make law-suit comments. I told him the same "If you could not afford to lose it you should not have flown it because sh-it happen's". It is just that simple. Get over it. Don't fly with the big boy's. As I tell newbies inquireing about flying, If you can't afford to go into a hobbystore and buy a model walk outside and put it in the trash this is not a hobby for you.

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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/6/2012 1:20 PM   
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If you can't afford to go into a hobbystore and buy a model walk outside and put it in the trash this is not a hobby for you.



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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/6/2012 2:56 PM   
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If you can't afford to go into a hobbystore and buy a model walk outside and put it in the trash this is not a hobby for you.



Well said !


Maybe I am mis-understanding the concept somewhat. Not long ago there was a debate about whether all RC planes had an expiration date. Some contend, "They will crash" and others say, "Why is that so?" I know guys that have been flying for 30-35 years and have planes that are old as dirt.

I know one guy that has some planes that he flies requently that are ancient! He has had numerous planes that are so old the covering started failing and he had to re-cover and still flying them today. I have seen him crash a few planes but only because there was mechanical failure such as a radio antenna wire broke and other odd mechanical things.

I understand the sentiment of thinking you should be able to toss a plane, yet I don't really hold to the thought as direct as many do. I don't even agree to the so-called expiration date that many claim. I do agree one has to not get too attached to an aircraft or place so much value in it that they cannot fly it. To me that will cause problems should you ever crash or someone crashes into you.

Now if I put 500+ flights on a plane, I really don't feel it owes me anything much at all. I tend to think I got my moneys' worth at that point. Of which, I do have one plane that is between 500 and 600 flights now and I am extremely aggressive with it. I figure it may expire one day, but only because of the aggressive flying I have placed on it.





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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/6/2012 9:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		But what about all the other guy's you know that don't have planes as old as dirt?
I don't hold to the idea of experation date's. But the odd's are against it's survival for numorous reason's beyond the operator. Just making a point that if one is not financially capable of doing such. Flying is a disposable income hobby whether one has a plane for many years or just a few days. I still have a monogram piper cub with a drone diesel from the sixties. I also lost one last month after two days. If we don't want to lose them put them under lock and key to protect them.
Enjoy the hobby and enjoy the plane. But stop with the notion someone has to replace it if shi-t happens. It really is that simple and if anyone was to approach me after an "accident" looking for restitusion I would be polite with a heartfelt apology, even though not my fault, and if he is persistent then a hearty KMA would be in order.

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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/6/2012 9:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for the so many types in the air, good luck keeping a club open with that many restriction's on flight. How about if you don't want to fly with the foamies then don't. I don't like to fly with the really big one's so I ask those if they would not mind letting me know when they plan on going up and I stay down. A little kindness and consideration can help all get along very well. At my club, because of communication,  it seem's to work out where each of the different types go up at the same time. Kinda like a parade. Foamies, parkfliers, small nitro, large nitro, gas, and then big gas. But of course there are always those that don't care when or who is in the air. Usually they are not around long, or they change their stripes. I personally try to do everything I possibly can to keep it an enjoyable hobby and acknowleging that I am not the only one out there and reminding others of the same. For thirty plus years it has worked out well. Our club is prospering, members are growing, and everyone enjoys themselves.
The one I mentioned that only lasted a few day's, a fellow club member was involved in it's demise and offered to replace it. Guess what my responce was? That's right, "Shi-t Happen's" don't worry about it. I bought another one the first of the week. It's pretty simple gentlemen,
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

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RE: Who is responsible for your plane - 10/7/2012 3:02 PM   
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