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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/21/2011 10:25 PM

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It is with their "HV" (and some more models) that Castle Creation tell owners to send in their ESC to get them fixed.
The "ICE" (non HV) is not affected.

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/21/2011 11:40 PM

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Cool I will order the Castle Phoenix Ice Lite 100 Amp this week also do I need the Castle Link USB Programming Kit??

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/22/2011 8:01 AM

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HI Damo, I got one but havent used it. flew straight out of the box.As I said I am new to electrics so I havent played around with it yet. There is a USB cord for computer prgramming but the the onfield program card is handy.
Got my stuff from WiredRC up your way I think. The owner of the store Michael was really helpfull hand some print outs with setup of esc etc. But he may have set mine up as I bought everthing from him.
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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/22/2011 8:12 AM

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HI Have one question for anyone who can help.
I have a Thunderpower 8S 5000 amh 65C pack. It has a bridging connection red to black wire connection( for transport) and then the red and black battery out put main wires at the top of the battery. The balance plugs are 3 cell and 5 cell. I have a Hyperion 615i duo 3 charger. Can I charge this pack as 2 packs a 5cell and 3cell in sync mode and how do I figure out which terminals match which balance plug? I figure since pack in series, if I test the terminals I can work out which is the 3s and 5s but how do I know which balance plug goes to which output , and can the sync mode do different numbers of cells per side? I tried the electric pattern forum....no one had any idea!
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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/22/2011 8:21 AM

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HI Damo, I got one but havent used it. flew straight out of the box.As I said I am new to electrics so I havent played around with it yet. There is a USB cord for computer prgramming but the the onfield program card is handy.
Got my stuff from WiredRC up your way I think. The owner of the store Michael was really helpfull hand some print outs with setup of esc etc. But he may have set mine up as I bought everthing from him.
Regards Hanns

Thanks, I know Michael and he is very help full I will give him ring tomorrow thanks.

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/22/2011 8:10 PM

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Hi Damo,
I am running Castle Creations Ice 100. Had some friends use the Hacker esc recommended and it cut off during flight. Draws too many amps if your using bigger props....right on the limits of the controller.
You will find if you run a heavier battery eg I am using thunder power 4400mah 6S 45c battery you will find it flies nicely on a 17x12 prop. I am using the Xoar wooden electric prop17x12. Speed is about right. On clamping with meter I was just drawing about 83amps on the ground.
17x10APC flying was a bit slow for me , 16x10 APC same disadvantage in the wind, 16X12 APC was ok but with the heavier battery the Hacker was lacking in pull over the top of larger manuveresin the wind.

This was my first electric plane if I were to fit it out again I would probably use ESC with out Bec and run a separate receiver battery. I am using the powerbox sensor switch on my sebart SU 29 140. to power receiver and servos and Jeti spin 99 0pto and its much safer combination.
If you use all in one ESC if the esc dies you crash. At least you just deadstick if you have separate power supply to radio equipt.

Nb if you use the twin elevator servos if you match them you dont need to cut the piece joining the 2 elevator halves. Use the big servo for the rudder as it keeps the CG about right. If you use a smaller servo the CG will be nose heavy.
Pic I posted is actually of my friends plane Tze_Law Chan. Hes the Asian F3A Judge. I did mine exactly the same except didnt cut the piece goining the elevator halves, flies like a dream.
Regards Hanns

Hi, I´m Fernando, Brazil.

I have a Miss Wind S 50e but it still is not definitive with the engine, next weekend will test the G60 Turnigy Easy Match. The engine is very nice and well finished and looks promising.

Do not rely on consumption data of the speed controller from Castle Creations. The consumption values are obtained through an internal shunt. This change of shunt suffers reading with the temperature increase of the speed controller and therefore are not reliable. To learn the correct use of your engine, use a meter that uses the hall effect such as the Hyperion E-meter. Other data of the speed controller has acceptable accuracy and can be considered.

I have two speed controllers from Castle Creations model "ICE Lite 100A" and suspicious of the very high levels of consumption. In some cases came to be 22% higher than the value obtained with a consumption meter hall effect.

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/22/2011 10:37 PM

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Hi Fernando,
I never use any data logging device, within the controller or external. I was told by Dave Mc Farland, Australian multiple F3A representative and long time Hobby store proprietor to always use a high quality digital Clamp meter. You can then put various props on and play around seeing values in real time.These measure amps volts and temp. Iam not saying some of the model meters around is are no good but if you get a good quality meter the eletronics guys/electricians use its probably more closed too what values should be in reality. I just got a Bantam meter where the battery plugs in one end and the other in the other. Next time Im at the field I compare the readings with the clamp. Nb some very high quality clamps can cost more than your Miss wind!
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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/22/2011 10:47 PM

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Sorry to clarify the Bantam two meter is a model all in one device. It gives paack and cell info, readouts, balances packs and also can be used for measureing amps drawn when motor and battery are corrected to it ( I left out the word motor). Its not a digital clamp meter.
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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/23/2011 7:43 AM

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Hi doogiehl,

I see You use 17x12 prop - what motor do You use? Have You checked how many watts the motor is rated for and how many watts Your setup produce? You probably are in 1700 watt region or more with 17x12 prop I would guess. Just curious because I use a Hacker A50-16S V2 rated at 1250 watt and with DesirePower V8 6S 35C 5200 mAh Lipo with APC 17x10E prop and Castle Creations ICE 100 ESC I'm in 1700 watt region at full speed with fully charged LiPo (on my Wind S 50E, not MIss Wind). I checked with CastleLink Graph Viewer so it is in flight data.
I do not fly at full throttle that much because I do not need to get good performance so I'm lower then 1700 watt most of the flights but it is probably no good for my motor in the long run that I exeed it's rated watts now and then.

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/25/2011 8:18 AM

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Sorry BEM and guys I quoted the wrong readings. 83 amps Was from my AXI 5325 16HD and jetiopto99 on the 140 Sukhoi.
I checked the clamp readings for the TP 4400mah 6S Xoar 17X12 with the Hacker a50S16 and I get 67 watts. Ideally this exceeds motor1250watts but I have been told the voltage is less because cells are joined have internal resistance had effieciency of the electronic components causes some voltage drop. I dont thick its around 1700watts though even if you multiple volts and amps. I am not very good at electronics so youll have to ask others. I dont fly full stick, this plane will fly most manouvres at 3/4 to 2/3 throttle . I suppose a few seconds at full throttle will degrade the motor life eventually. I think in the air the props may unload as well. Ill have to try to use the data logger and see what I get with the Xoar.
Nb Xoars apparently have less load than ACPs( stiffer and lighter) . I saw some figures suggesting same wattage readings for Xoars1 inch large diam with same pitch than ACPS. see Xoars Vs APC on other forums(google this). I will try ACP 17x10 16x12 and 16x10 with the clamp next tiime I am at the field and see what readings I get.
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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/26/2011 8:39 PM

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Just order all my parts for my Miss Wind can’t wait to have a fly of it and were uses doing the C/G from??

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/26/2011 10:08 PM

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The cg is located where the extension wires come out from the upper wing,

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 8/26/2011 10:27 PM

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The cg is located where the extension wires come out from the upper wing,

Cool thank you
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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 9/29/2011 12:22 PM

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Hi , I know this more a f3a plane but it is strong enough to hold 3d manuveurs?

there is anybody running the turnigy sk 50 65 380kv?

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 9/29/2011 10:37 PM

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This is what this plane is capable of with that motor:

http://airtoimedia.nl/web/upload/vdVechten/MissWind.wmv

http://airtoimedia.nl/web/upload/vdVechten/Misswind7.wmv

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 9/29/2011 10:56 PM

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Nice flying man.
Cheers

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 12/4/2011 11:57 AM

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2 Metre Miss Wind balsa/ply just like the 50 size at a reasonable price.
Yes it will be called Miss Italia and be available at the end of 2012.
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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 12/4/2011 12:17 PM

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Please keep us informed when the 2 meter is available. I want 2!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 12/21/2011 7:47 PM

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Hi all,

I want to use a CC Ice ESC (heatsink version) in my setup. Looking for feedback on choosing between the 80A or 100A version, not much difference in price...any thoughts? I'll be using the Hacker motor or maybe the Turnigy if I can find out the current version of the sk 5065 380kv..can't seem to find it anywhere on the site?

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 12/22/2011 1:13 PM

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I have the Ice 75 in mine , it pulls around 69 amps static on the ground and goes down to the lower 60's in the air. It has never gotten hot. That is with a Hacker A50-16s and a 16x12 prop.

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 12/22/2011 1:45 PM

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Thanks for the reply. I see both the hacker a50-14s and the a50-15s being used with six cells in this plane. I'm assuming the 14s is fine on both 5 and 6 cells correct me if you know otherwise (and it would make a lighter setup on five) even though the literature says it's a five cell motor, but the 15s is only for six cells? I guess I'm also not sure about this choice : 14s or 15s. I do like to fly my planes at lower throttle settings and have limited space to fly so my flying style is to keep them in close and above. Are you using six cells? Any advice?

Thanks again.

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 12/22/2011 5:13 PM

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I'm using six cells and have 4000 and 4400 mah packs. I hardly ever get to full throttle except in verticals. It is a very light plane for as big as it is. Mine is under 7lbs. 6.78 lbs with a 6 cell 4000 pack.

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 12/22/2011 9:01 PM

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Using the 100 lite ice version with TP 4400 packs. very cool.
As for alternative motors.
Dont know if this motor is available to you but check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF2FPaP1LJs
Very hot climate use and video is in very windy conditions.
Its a friend of mine Mr Tze Law Chan who is very accomplished in many areas, not to mention the Asian F3A Judge.
regards Hanns

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 12/28/2011 3:08 AM

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That is a nice motor. A lot more money than a Hacker though. I made an error in the post above, I was looking at the A50-14s and A50-16s (the 15s was a mis-type). I have noticed that one US distributor of the Miss Wind is packaging it with the A50-14s and 6 cells, can anyone comment on (why) that combination? As most of the Hacker users are going with the 16s...but i did just see a new review in Fly RC that featured the 14s on six cells.

So I guess my question is assuming I use the best prop for the Kv # of each.... How will the flying characteristics of the plane differ between the two motors (14s and 16s)...why would I choose one motor/prop combo over the other? Does someone mind clarifying this for me?

Thanks,
Mark

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RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E - 1/2/2012 5:05 PM

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Does anyone have the replacement fuselage and tail feathers for this aircraft?
Miss Wind S 50e White/Blue ARF

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