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why so overpowered? - 6/25/2003 6:36:54 PM   
ChuckAuger



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by 48chebbie
people who are insecure enough that they are worried about what other people think of whatever they are doing with their planes,to people who fly pattern,3-D,and particularly,guys who are YS groupies,thinking someone,or some part of this thread is singling them out,to folks with an obvious inferiority complex,that, think because of my original post,i think whatever they are doing is wrong or something to that effect.[/QUOTE]

Without getting into a mud wrestling match, read that part of the post, then read this part:

quote:

WAKE UP FOLKS!!! ,it is just a simple discussion guys and gals.no opinions,no finger pointing


Seems a bit contradictory, no?? Seems like fingers are pointing at "people who fly pattern,3-D,and particularly,guys who are YS groupies". Not that I care what they think, or you for that matter.

Then on with the next contradiction:

Seems like this statement

quote:

WAKE UP FOLKS!!! ,it is just a simple discussion guys and gals.no opinions,no finger pointing,name calling,bad mouthing


is directly contradicted by this one:

quote:

i sure am glad those two over-educated einstiens are out of here,and hopefully back to splitting atoms,or solving the ozone problem,or,maybe reading the post on their own thread,yeah,that must be alot smarter..........geeeeeezzzzzz.


I read some of this post, as well as the identical rant in the "Engines Discussion" and I came away with the distinct impression that you carry a chip on your shoulder over YS engines. Not that that matters to me.

It's just a hobby. Some people's hobby might be sticking YS engines in their planes, some people's hobby might be griping about them on message boards. But saying you're not pointing fingers while your finger is pointed, and saying you aren't calling names while you are calling names is a little confusing.


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why so overpowered? - 6/25/2003 6:50:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah remember one thing about this post . the figure 9 is the great equalizer. Regardless of what you send into the air. The great landfill awaits the negative maneuver resolution.
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why so overpowered? - 6/25/2003 7:02:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		If, when your plane is in trouble, you can get the nose pointed up, and then give it full throttle, to find that you can get out of trouble, then it's not overpowered, it is insurance.

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why so overpowered? - 6/25/2003 7:05:12 PM   
P-51B



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob Talley
I've been flying R/C for just about 50 years now, as well as C/L and FF before that. In a that time there have been three things that have NEVER impressed me in ANY R/C model.

Big, Loud and/or Fast !

I know that these things do impress lot of people, but not me.

For me, flying R/C is all about one thing - CONTROL.


Bob T. [/QUOTE]

Seems rather misleading.

The jet guys fly fast, and they usually have great control.

The giant scale planes are big, and usually exhibit great control.

Maybe it is really noisy out of control planes you dislike!

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Overpowering trainers..... - 6/25/2003 8:32:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care when experienced modelers over power stuff. I've done it myself and it's a hoot. Crashes are fun to watch.

But what bugs me is when someone new slaps a screamer on a trainer. Sure, you can reduce the throttle, but do they? NO!!! So I say that plain bearing .40 size engines are perfect for your first .40 sized trainer. A while back I argued with a guy in the Beginners forum about this for 10 posts. Then it finally came out that he had not soloed yet. Gee, wonder why?!? :

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why so overpowered? - 6/25/2003 8:33:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems like you nailed him, Jeff.
I too wondered the same thing about contradictory statements in his post, and how to illuminate them, but you did so beautifully.
Thanks,


[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckAuger
Without getting into a mud wrestling match, read that part of the post, then read this part:



Seems a bit contradictory, no?? Seems like fingers are pointing at "people who fly pattern,3-D,and particularly,guys who are YS groupies". Not that I care what they think, or you for that matter.

Then on with the next contradiction:

Seems like this statement



is directly contradicted by this one:



I read some of this post, as well as the identical rant in the "Engines Discussion" and I came away with the distinct impression that you carry a chip on your shoulder over YS engines. Not that that matters to me.

It's just a hobby. Some people's hobby might be sticking YS engines in their planes, some people's hobby might be griping about them on message boards. But saying you're not pointing fingers while your finger is pointed, and saying you aren't calling names while you are calling names is a little confusing. [/QUOTE]


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Re: Overpowering trainers..... - 6/25/2003 8:42:43 PM   
FLYBOY



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Goinstraightup
But what bugs me is when someone new slaps a screamer on a trainer. Sure, you can reduce the throttle, but do they? [/QUOTE]

No lie. Watched one guy put way too much on a trainer. He did fine with it. He wanted to be like another in the club that had 20 years exp, but the new guy wanted it now. He then built an extra with a YS 120 like the older member, and I told him he needed more exp before he flew it. He didn't listen. Two flights, gone! He builds another one, fixes the engine, and does it again. Then he quits saying the hobby sux. Some just don't understand that they have to learn to walk before they enter the sprinting events. It is such a shame to see someone do that. He would still be enjoying the hobby and probably flying that extra now if he would have listened. Big is fun, if you have the stick time to back it.


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why so overpowered? - 6/25/2003 11:30:41 PM   
48chebbie


 

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Status: offline 		well,lets see, CHUCK AUGER,to highlight your profound inteligence,if you had closely read my last post on this,you would come to understand that all those things you pointed out in my reply,were referring to the original post on "why so overpowered" Now,this last post,your are absolutely correct,i AM name calling,bad mouthing etc,etc,those few people on here who continually post on someones thread,in some word or another, that what ever they have just read is not smart enough,or intelligent enough for them to have wasted their presious time on,as for a chip on my shoulder about YS,not at all,i own 2,no complaints,does a 120YS impress me ON a 120size plane?not in the least,no more than a 120 saito,120 OS etc. that may hurt some feelings but,sorry. over in the engine discussions,sorry again,but,i will still say ANY day,i will put up an OS 1.60 FX against any 1.40YS power for power-dollar for dollar,period. now,since you have analyzed what i have said,and done so incorrectly,remember what i said about "those few"? put that slipper on there,cinderella,it fits.

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why so overpowered? - 6/25/2003 11:46:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		So how much did ya pay for this thread? Got a deal for yu.

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why so overpowered? - 6/25/2003 11:54:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sport_Pilot
So how much did ya pay for this thread? Got a deal for yu. [/QUOTE]

Ouch! saw that one coming.

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why so overpowered? - 6/25/2003 11:56:38 PM   
MikeL



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Status: offline 		Either this thread becomes more civil, or it will be closed. We all have different opinions about how we like our models to perform. If you disagree with someone's opinion don't insult them. Either lay out a reason why you disagree or move on.

This thread belongs to no single individual. Anyone is welcome to post their opinion--whatever it may be--in it. I'd prefer not to close the thread, remove individual posts, or edit out personal attacks. Please don't give me with a reason to do any of that.

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why so overpowered? - 6/26/2003 1:28:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		No longer support RCU

< Message edited by mpj220 -- Aug 4 2003 11:55PM >

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why so overpowered? - 6/26/2003 6:28:40 AM   
robert


 

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Status: offline 		I used to be an all lite no motor sort of guy, after bad experiences that I had flying an overpowered tank. But then some guy said on RCU that he wants to know about putting a 120 in a UCD, and he doesn't care about the balance, the wingloading, etc. He just wanted to do it.
The innocence in that made me realise, gee, this guy is having fun, and I am stuck ****in about.
That thread made me learn alot.

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why so overpowered? - 6/26/2003 8:15:35 AM   
48chebbie


 

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Status: offline 		i realize,that i have not been into the planes as many years as most of you,and with that said,before this thread went 100 different directions,i did in fact start a thread asking a very legitiment question. "why so overpowered"? i asked this because i have had great success with powering my planes with more than enough to fly with authority,but,frequently,at the field,at the LHS,the conversation about just about anything i brougtht to the field is always,"well you should put this on it,or that on it,it will fly alot better".my question was why isn't the engine of choice that flies the plane well enough? i recently took my new sig 4star 60 to the field,powered with a .91 magnum 4-stroke.more than enough power,and,it does anything i ask it to,anyway,one of our oldest members,and a very accomplished pilot,ask if he could fly my 4star,he had not flown one in years,so i handed it over. he flew it for ten minutes,landed it,and said,"it flies real good,but it would fly better with a YS.91 on it instead of the magnum" now here is what makes no sense to me, will the more powerful,more expensive engine,on the exact same airframe make it fly better? does this only sound strangely dumb to me?i mean will it make the rudder control better?the elevator more sensitive,make it track straighter through the loops? does anyone NOW understand what the original post meant?????? i have no reason,or want to tell anyone what to do with their planes,i just wanted some insight to why this is so important of an issue. if someone could offer a legitimate reason for it,i guess i would plan on putting larger engines on my planes if need be.

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48chebbie.... - 6/26/2003 8:25:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		....the horse is dead....quit floggin' it....

....it's starting to appear that you are the only one with
an "issue"....

....reel it in....and change your bait....

Flyboy Dave....

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