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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 11:31:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		overpowering our models has gone on forever. this is just something i really can't understand.a little never hurts,but. for example,the great planes p-51 arf. same wing as ultrasport,comes out pretty light,probably as docile a warbird as there can be. a friend of mine in our club has one with an o.s.120 surpass on it. all of a sudden,he is just dumbfounded! the plane weighs right at 8lbs.,the wing loading is out the stratousphere,it has to land at 60mph,and if you even thing of pulling down the throttle on approach,it sinks like a rock,but,boy it sure will take off in 5 feet! i mean,this used to be a fun plane to fly with a .46FX on it. now,his retracts are always broke,he gripes about how hard it is to land,it falls out of the turns,but by golly gee she will leap off the ground in 5 feet! am i missing the concept here???????? why would a set-up like this be fun?

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 1:31:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Amen ! Apparently most 'pilots' do not understand the differnce between Ballastics and aerodynamics.
: Same thing about American cars, they are way overpowered. Is there a defective gene that says power will get you out of trouble ever time. What happen to the think ahead gene to not get into trouble in the first place?

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 4:38:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		eh, let him crash his plane, it happened to me! Wait for the engine to dead stick. In the mean time, enjoy you 46 powered one.

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 5:02:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		From one extreme to the other.

Mount a 1.20 in the mustang and you GO REAL FAST - I think guys fly these airplanes to race with don't they? Maybe that's what they want. (agreeded that some guys just think more is better)

Build a giant wing with Clark Y and get tons of lift and fly with a .15 size motor. Some guys like to fly low and slow.

Both are challanging to keep in the air. One may have to land fast but have you ever landed an underpowered senior kadet in a gusty 10 mph wind? It gets fun and is not as easy as landing a heavier airplane.


(I once saw a nut put a ZDZ 40 in a H9 Taylor Craft, oh wait that was me,,,,,,Yes I was out of my mind and yes I took it off and put a Saito 1.80 in it which was still more than enough....He He)

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 5:14:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		yep,that is along the lines of a stink i have stirred over in engine discussions,a guy at our club has a CG .60 size ultimate arf,with a YS 140 on it,and does nothing but brag about how awesome a display of pure power it is,he will rave about it's unlimited vertical,it's speed...................HELLO!,it is on a 7.5 pound plane!!! put that engine on a 14-18lb. warbird,and see if anyone notices.

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 5:53:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think there is a happy medium. A 40 sized plane can easily take a 60 sized engine. A Saito .72 for instance. This will give it wonderful performance at only a slight increse in weight.
Now take the same plan and put a Saito 100 or 120 on it and see what happens. Sure you have tons more power but you have turned the plane into a bullet. It goes fast but has no real flight characteristics.

Both would be considered overpowered. However one is an extreme where the other is not.

I know a guy who put a Saito 200 twin on a H9 P51 .60 size. He then wondered why his first landing ended in the plane making a nice long crater in the field. The thing would not have slow down for god himself. Although Mother earth seemed to convice it to.

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Heavy Duty LT-40 - 6/17/2003 6:13:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		For my second LT-40 I did a few structural changes...one piece fir spars top and botom, fore and aft on the wing that was built with no dihedral, tail feathers were built with hard balsa, bolt-down wing, taildragger gear, etc. I put a TT .54 FS on it and it flew OK, just not enough umph for me. Then I went to a Magnum .80 FS and it did somewhat better. The next engine for it will be a TT .91 FS...I don't think it could get any better after that. Grossly over-powered...I don't think so. I'm not using it as a trainer and it is actually quite aerobatic, lands slow...fun to fly!


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And your point is? - 6/17/2003 7:02:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by 48chebbie
yep,that is along the lines of a stink i have stirred over in engine discussions,a guy at our club has a CG .60 size ultimate arf,with a YS 140 on it,and does nothing but brag about how awesome a display of pure power it is,he will rave about it's unlimited vertical,it's speed...................HELLO!,it is on a 7.5 pound plane!!! put that engine on a 14-18lb. warbird,and see if anyone notices. [/QUOTE]

So what is your particular problem with this?

I fly only aerobatic airplanes and I would not put anything but a YS into them until they become of the size for gasoline motors. For gas I prefer DA motors.
Furthermore, I will use the larged cubed motor made by YS that will fit into the airframe without being excessively heavy. A YS140 in a Goldberg Ultimate may be overpowering, but not overweight by anymeans. I guess that your fellow club member was not worried about money. Oh, I could have put a YS120 into my Dave patrick Ultimate, but I need the power of the 140L for the way I like to fly.
As far as that YS140 in a 18 pound Mustang, the airplane will fly beautifully swinging a really big propellor and will not be overly fast. Unlimited vertical, no, but then again, why should a Mustang have unlimited vertical?

I have some other opinions, but already I know what this is about.

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 8:06:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anything worth doing is worth over doing.

I tend to over power a lot of planes, but not to the way extreme. I have a 91 FX in my shoestring that was built for a 61. The case on the 91 FX is the same as the 61 so I figured what the heck, it is the same size. It flys better on that than any with a 61 I have seen. I wouldn't go bigger in it. I think a 120 in a .45 size bird is a little much. I could see a .60 to a .70 but any more, the airframe wouldn't handle well. There comes a point when you have to build a bigger plane for the larger engines.

Just my 2 cents.

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 8:24:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		A guy can also argue that muscle cars and dragsters are over powered as well.

I just don't understand the mindset of some people on this forum. They don't like or agree with something, and it's 'wrong'. Somebody does something differently then them, and it's 'wrong'. Somebody hovers, flys heli's, or 3-D's too much, and it's 'wrong'.

Crimany sakes, relax! It's not your money they're spending, it's their's. It's not your time you think they are wasting, it's their's. Getting your panties in a wad because you don't agree with something leads to a very stressful existence. Don't let the little things in life get to you. There's plenty of other things in life that put most in an early grave, don't let your beloved hobby be one of them.

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 8:27:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Deadeye
Getting your panties in a wad because you don't agree with something leads to a very stressful existence. Don't let the little things in life get to you. There's plenty of other things in life that put most in an early grave, don't let your beloved hobby be one of them. [/QUOTE]


He-He-He!!!

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 8:38:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		A very popular combo at our field is the World Models 40 sized Mustang with a YS 91. It does about 120+mph very aerobatic and lands just a tad hot.

I love when someone comes out with a new overpowered plane for a maiden flight. Relax and enjoy the show. I never want someone to crash but if they are going to, I want to see it.

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 8:41:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Deadeye

I just don't understand the mindset of some people on this forum. They don't like or agree with something, and it's 'wrong'. Somebody does something differently then them, and it's 'wrong'. Somebody hovers, flys heli's, or 3-D's too much, and it's 'wrong'.

Crimany sakes, relax! It's not your money they're spending, it's their's. It's not your time you think they are wasting, it's their's. Getting your panties in a wad because you don't agree with something leads to a very stressful existence. Don't let the little things in life get to you. There's plenty of other things in life that put most in an early grave, don't let your beloved hobby be one of them. [/QUOTE]

I agree! The fact that people on this forum think it is wrong when others are doing something different is just plain WRONG.


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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 8:44:50 PM   
48chebbie


 

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Status: offline 		cranstonsnord,my point is,everybody,i have ever heard or seen brag about these engines greatness,has it on a puny little .40-45 size airframe,i am saying on the appropriately sized airframe,they are not anymore impressive than anything else out there.period and deadeye,i did not say it was wrong,people can do what ever they like,i am just saying,it is a waste IMO. the reason i bring up the point,is,when you are at the field,setting up your plane,or getting ready to fly,and you have this hoard of guys constantly running around bad mouthing any engine other than their beloved YS's,that gets annoying. thats when i tell them,put that 140 on a 120 size and lets see how god awful powerful it is now! and they just shut up and walk away.

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why so overpowered? - 6/17/2003 8:57:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		48chebbie, I was in no way singleing you out. There are plenty of others in plenty of other threads that I was pointing my remarks to. And I'd love to see the looks on their face when you tell tell them about the YS and a bigger plane.

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