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Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/8/2009 2:52 AM   
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I ordered my blown up 33.3% Ziroli Corsair kit today. It will be 2 to 3 weeks to get it and then after making a wood order from Balsa USA when it arrives I'll get started. I hope to be building before the 1st of June. All of the major accessories like the retracts, custom cockpit, and my engine will work fine. I am going to have a company custom make me the 5N cowl with functional scoops and open cooling flaps, and a F5 aluminum framed canopy for it if the one I have is to small. The cowl is about 1+" bigger than any out there so I have to order it.

I will appreciate all the positive critisism and help from everyone. If you can help me do a better job please let me know. I am not by any means a great builder so help is always appreciated. Please keep this thread only about the build and not on other subjects. If anyone is also building this size or close Ziroli Corsair feel free to join in on my thread and we can make it a group build.

Heres my new build table with a solid core and hardwood double thick stile exterior oak door. I was thinking of putting a piece of 1/4" thick polished and tempered glass on top plus 5/8" drywall for pins. What do you all use on top of your tables? What are your opinions of the glass?


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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/8/2009 4:03 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/8/2009 4:18 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/8/2009 4:20 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/8/2009 4:23 AM   
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I've added a new product to my website. I am now elling packages of 25 socket head #2x9/16" Servo screws for $2.50 plus $1.00 shipping and handling. They are on the site now or will be soon. I am looking for more things to add so keep an eye on my site.

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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/8/2009 4:54 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/8/2009 9:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would love to but the budget is tight on this project and I already have a 3W 200cc engine NIB. If I can sell it and enough other things I would love to put the 400 in her.

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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/8/2009 11:26 PM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 12:28 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 1:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Barry,

I'll be watching the build over on the RCSB Site..

Good job on the "Monster" Bench you made... I used a solid-core door for years of building. I just put ceiling tile on top of that for my pin board.

Keep us posted... [Sorry - Bad Pun]


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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 2:46 AM   
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Does that stay nice and flat? I was thinking of using 5/8" drywall for mine. But I'm open to your idea. What size tiles did you use?

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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 3:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dave I thought about it but it would cost me another $1,000.00 for the folding mechanism from Darrell at Seirra. He makes the ones for the 110" COMP ARF. There really cool but I think I'm going to go with C-channels and a solid bar to slide into it and have set screws on the bottom of the wing for the main and TE spars. I will also have a dowel in the LE area to keep things straight. Does this sound like a good system. I stole it from John Andrews who has a 30% larger Ziroli Corsair in the pictures below.

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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 3:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		The ceiling tile material can be a little warped if you buy from an open package. However, the stuff is nice and soft and will flatten right out in a day or two on the flat bench. I just add my weights to the high spot and leave them for a couple of days.

The tiles are 24” X 48” which is plenty for my planes. I think that Home Depot sells them separately for just a couple of bucks.

I really like the “feel” of the ceiling tiles when using the bigger “T” pins.

However, I have never tried dry-wall.


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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 3:10 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 3:15 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 3:37 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 3:48 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 3:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		you should stay with using a wing tube its alot easier and less weight. i had rails in my ziroli p38 and regretted using it

it may also may get in the way of the gear closing

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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 4:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Barry I use dry wall .I got 2 14 by 4 foot pieces from the local drywall supply for less than 10 bucks .you can at easly build 4 planes out of 2 sheets and if you carefull you can get more than 2 builds out of each piece of dry wall just depends on how sloppy one is

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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 4:22 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 4:25 AM   
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I see what your saying but the problem with using wing tubes is that then the center section would be to wide for my van because the parting point would be outside the outer flap instead of the center and outer flap. I was going to do that but John the builder that has the 30% enlarged Corsair pictured used this method with aluminum and said it was a good way to do it and he has gear doors. I already told my kit cutter I'm not using wing tubes. Would you use aluminum or steel. I want it light but strong. My only other option would be to take the wing off everytime and just build it all in one solid piece which would definetely be ligther than either other way. That is what Jeff Quesenberry did with his 13 footer. But he had a trailer to haul his one piece 13 foot wing around in. I would like to get a trailer like the one in the picture and pull it with the plane inside and be able to camp out in my van and maybe have a smaller plane in it along with other goodies. Plus I'd rather have the center section on for the fuse to sit on it's wheels instead of in a cradle but still be removable to get to all the parts inside that could need adjusting or replacement.

Winston,

I guess the vote goes for drywall so that is what I'll get. You guys convinced me!

Thanks Dan!

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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 4:42 AM   
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the aluminum receiver will have to be about 3 1/2 inches wide

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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 8:51 AM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 9:08 PM   
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RE: Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build - 5/9/2009 10:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will transport it in my cargo van and it is 66" wide but the DS Corsair is a little over that at the outboard flap. I can't think of any other way of doing it and John has flown his and says it works well. He said it doesn't interfere with the retracts. I will have to see when I get the actual blown up plans back from him. He is going to draw his method on them. I am lost on this part to be honest with you. I know a wing tube won't work unless I have the wing seperate at the outside of the outer flap and then it's to wide to fit in my van with the fuse attached to the center section. Plus I already gave the go ahead to the kit cutter to cut it without the wing tubes. Any scetches of alternative methods would be appreciated. Please explain in detail.

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