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Nitro Fuel - 5/12/2009 6:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		What kind of containers are you guys using for the Nitro fuel? Im fairly new to this, and its to my understanding nitro in the wrong containers stored the wrong way or taking to much fuel along on an outing is a sure way to contaminate your fuel. So whats the secret and lets hear how the pros do it!

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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/12/2009 8:22 AM   
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Status: online 		I don't know how Pro's do it but here's what I do.
I transfer what I take with me into a metal can. I have a gallon size so I can dump all of it in there.
For my extra gallons I keep them in my basement sealed, off the floor and out of sunlight. A buddy left his fuel out on an enclosed sun porch and it turned into a nasty gloppy mess.

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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/12/2009 9:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have always transfered my nitro from the plastic container to metal fast as I could and then just keep it in cool dark place...Ihave shelves built under my work benches and thats where the nitro cans stay up off the floor and in the dark ..to date I havent had any bad fuel issues so it must be working...

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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/12/2009 6:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Huh.... so keeping fuel in the plastic jug isnt a good idea??? Learn something new everyday!

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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/12/2009 7:10 PM   
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Status: online 		It's actually not the best place for it but more importantly is what you do with it. Keeping it off a cement floor is at the top of the list as it can draw moisture in through the jug. Sounds weird right? If it's outdoors for any real length of time you can wrap the bottle with a towel, old T-shirt or something otherwise keep it out of direct sunlight.
Ever see the movie Love Liza? Lots of R/C stuff in it but I cringed when I saw gallon jugs of fuel in the front window of a Hobbytown USA. Hopefully it was just product placement.

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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/12/2009 9:37 PM   
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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/12/2009 9:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can You buy a good metal can somewhere....Where is the best place to buy....Some one suggested a stainless steel thermos....any thoughts on that!

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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/12/2009 11:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		another thing that happens is if you leave a plastic jug on a cement floor the nitro leaches down into the cement weakening your fuel.


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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/13/2009 12:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are many points of view on the issue of concrete floors and fuel jugs. Quality of the jug seems to be the key here. There are many types of plastics. The best will handle some of the strongest acids in the world. Metal cans can be eaten through by CokaCola. It is important to know what kind of metal you are using for what liquid. Most of us just buy the cheapest container that is the correct size and color. We believe the third world country that labeled it as a Heavy Duty Fuel can.
The scientific world believes it is a myth that a good container will draw moisture from a concrete floor. They say that concrete is usually cooler than the air above it and this causes condesation. Many places in the US have humidity levels of 50% to 80%. This moisture, in the air in your container, will condense out and settle to the bottom of your fuel. A full container will keep longer than a contianer half full of air.
Here is a cut and paste from this web site.
It starts of talking about battey cases.
"All lead-acid batteries will naturally self-discharge which can result in loss of capacity from sulfation. The rate of self-discharge is most influenced by the temperature of the battery's electrolyte and the chemistry of the plates. This self-discharge is often mistaken for concrete floor causing the battery to drain. Some experts believe that storing car or deep cycle batteries on a colder concrete floor might actually slow down the self-discharge (leakage) rate because the floor acts as a heat sink and cools the battery. (Please see Section 13 for more information on storing batteries and Section 1 for more information on sulfation.

In the early 1900s, when battery cases were made of porous materials such as tar-lined wood boxes, storing batteries on concrete floor would accelerate their natural self-discharge due to external leakage. Modern battery cases are made of polypropylene or hard rubber. These cases are sealed better, so external leakage-causing discharge is no longer a problem, provided the top of the battery is clean and free from wet or dried electrolyte and the same temperature as the floor.


I imagine the myth about storing fuel on concrete floors have perpetuated in the same way, i.e. given time, any crud dissolved in the fuel would settle out over time and gather at the bottom of the jug. Folks seeing this particulate matter would assume that the concrete was to blame. But then again, this is purely conjecture..."

Hope this helps,



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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/13/2009 3:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not really the jug or can I worry about, it is the cap not sealing air tight. Find a can or jug you like that you feel has a good cap or buy a box of seals from whoever sells packaging supplies. I found the foam works better on plastic jugs, and the waxed cardboard type on metal cans.

Here's a thought...why not wax the cap before long storage just as some wine bottles are. Check your bottle as plumbers check pipes for leaks with soapy water around the cap and squeeze the jug.

On my field box I converted an autobody paint can. It has its own plastic injected lip seal design, no seal gasket. Maybe check out one of the many autobody shops around and ask. I have a couple more like it without the holes in the top for fittings I use for storage. They are wide mouth type also which makes it nice for pouring, and hold a funnel better.

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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/13/2009 7:40 AM   
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Status: online 		Try a paint supply shop or if you know somebody that paints cars for metal cans. I got mine at work from a printing ink dealer.

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RE: Nitro Fuel - 5/14/2009 7:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I allways have left over thinner and reducer gallon cans so I re use them.. so far all the advice sounds good and makes sense..my issue with concrete and fuel is rust since I use the metal can aproach I have heard old timers fuss about nitro and oil leaching from the plastic jug. cant say I have personally experienced it just easier for me to use the metal jugs...BUT ya know we all need to get out and run em enough not to have to worry about fuel going bad from sittin around ..you guys up in the great white north have an excuse so what about the rest of us and yes that includes me its almost always boat weather here in sunny Houston..(ya we got problems)...so store it in what you can easily get and use but please for the sake of youre boat dont let it sit to long.......

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