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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 6/25/2009 5:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I purchased a brand new Savage X4.6 from my LHS for $47x.xx and later found out that ebay had it for $399 shipped. If it were to have been <$10 then I would not have minded so much, but $70 is easily 2+ gallons of fuel.

This entire thread is simply Economics 101 with some people being biased while others are just playing it smart. Anyone and everyone wants something for less. No matter if they have tons of money or next to no money. Each race, ethnicity, and culture has its own people that are both cheap and big spenders, whether they have money or don't. There are those people that have money and have to show everyone that they have money, so they piss it away in any way shape or form, while there are others that are more conservative.

Having hobby grade RCs in non-hobby shops would be like looking at the glass half full or half empty.

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 6/25/2009 11:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't shop at China-Mart, but I don't support my 3 LHS either. They're all a ripoff. One is more of a craft store that has an area about the size of the counter at 7-11 dedicated to R/C and most of that space is nitro engines. One is 95% scale trains and they get annoyed when you inquire about anything in the R/C case. And the final one is in a shop that's only about 15x15 and if you're not into nitro you're dirt...their selection isn't hot either. That's why I love Tower and eBay.

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 6/26/2009 8:59 AM   
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Well ToysRus sells HPI stuff:

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3451165






Holy flaming piles of fecal matter.. $324 for an E-10??? No, no, and more NO.

(oh, and to the person that I quoted.. I see you're from Turlock.. My family used to own an Almond Orchard out on S. Tegner. A good friend of mine is also the son of Joe Gallison, the name sake of a Parkway there in town)


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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 6/27/2009 1:21 PM   
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I have to say I wouldnt want Wal Mart selling me something that nobody that works there knows about.  I prefer driving out of my way to goto my LHS. Online sales have killed so many LHS in the past 10 years it's not funny. I would rather pay a mom and pops hobby shop a few bucks more to help keep them in business.



Where do you think all the people who buy walmart r/c's are gonna go when they break stuff? HOBBY SHOP. They defenitly aren't gonna be able to return em after they are run(these aren't like a tv).


Unless walmart starts to carry and sell parts I don't see the problem.


I'm all for supporting my local hobby shop but I'm not for spending needless money... if they're running a decent shop then I'll spend a few extra to keep them in business but the guys that have gone out of business around here deserved too because they had no clue what they were talking about and regularly tried to sell you stuff you don't need.... all the guys that know what they are doing don't have a problem and have been rapidly growing.

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 6/28/2009 11:06 PM   
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I have to say I wouldnt want Wal Mart selling me something that nobody that works there knows about.  I prefer driving out of my way to goto my LHS. Online sales have killed so many LHS in the past 10 years it's not funny. I would rather pay a mom and pops hobby shop a few bucks more to help keep them in business.



Where do you think all the people who buy walmart r/c's are gonna go when they break stuff? HOBBY SHOP. They defenitly aren't gonna be able to return em after they are run(these aren't like a tv).


Unless walmart starts to carry and sell parts I don't see the problem.


I'm all for supporting my local hobby shop but I'm not for spending needless money... if they're running a decent shop then I'll spend a few extra to keep them in business but the guys that have gone out of business around here deserved too because they had no clue what they were talking about and regularly tried to sell you stuff you don't need.... all the guys that know what they are doing don't have a problem and have been rapidly growing.


The guy that runs my LHS was telling us that PepBoys and WalMart have run into huge problems with returns on nitro RC cars. People buy them, then can't get them woprking, so they return them.....

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 6/30/2009 6:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can defenitly see that... people don't realize the caliber of product they are buying. Still... once they fire it up a return is not a possibility... people should be able to figure that out when they pay a few hundred for an rc car. More then likely walmart shuts em down for a return and they go home and figure out how to work on it/run it.

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 6/30/2009 9:13 PM   
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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 7/1/2009 7:32 AM   
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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 7/1/2009 8:48 AM   
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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 7/1/2009 6:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fab i am not in the military i am a civilian helping the soldiers with the new MRAP vehicle. But yeah i run my T-Maxx and my losi Muggy out here on the track that we built. Nothing special just trying to pass the time 3 months 15 days left and will be over here for 2 years straight. There are alot of guys out here that have nitro rc's me and my counterpart were the first to have them before all the other guys saw how much fun we were having and then went out and bought theirs so i think we started a nitro craze over here a couple of local nationals are looking into buying them too but they say they will have to more then likely buy electrics due to the fact that it is to hard to get fuel over here.

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/11/2009 9:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Few weeks ago I went to my LHS to look for a new MT, they had only one MGT 8.0 on the shelf for $499+$25 tax = $525 out the door. I saw tower hobbies have the same truck for $479 minus $30 discount so that brought the price down to $449 + $10 shipping= $459 to my door, that's a whooping $66 saving or roughly equal to 2 gallons worth of Byron Gen2 20% fuel, that's a lot of money to be saved! But I went back to the LHS and try to talk them into selling the MGT 8.0 for $500 out the door as I was willing to pay a little extra to show my support for LHS, plus I don't have to wait for shipping. Unfortunately they refused to budge on the price so I left the LHS empty handed and ordered it from tower hobbies instead. Few weeks later I went back to LHS to get a few glow plugs and saw their one and only MGT 8.0 still sitting in the corner of the shelf collecting dust. LOL I have been a long time customer there and bought my GT2 and TT01 Drift car and thousand dollars worth of accessories from them in the past, it just puzzled me why they wouldn't even give in a little, that kinda irritate me so from now on I would buy most if not all of my RC stuff from tower hobbies and won't bother with the LHS anymore.

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/16/2009 6:43 PM   
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Big box stores, thats the very thoughts that have this economy as screwed up as it is. Trouble is people like you want something for nothing. You want prices all the same accross the board move to China. Its Hobby Shops and Mechanic shops, small shops of all kinds that make the USA what it is. If people didn't drive the prices down by having everything made in China and other places everyone would have RC's that weren't all just so much junk to repair every day. There are many people whom wish the prices were higher and the product was better and it was made by Americans that have pride in what they do and make. If you buy a product that says made here in the USA chances are it really wasn't. GM and Chrysler have gone broke because of the companies that have been allowed to come into the USA hire all none union workers and forced the auto companies to have 90% of there cars parts made in Chine and other places. American cars are junk since the 60's when the other companies moved in and forced the americans to compete. Its been the same thing in the hobby field and nothing is produced in the USA any more. A core hobbiest still makes the best products out there because they are Americans with the intellegence to make it the best not because he can buy the best...........its not availible. A lot of those people whom can do that type of work are Hobby Store owners. (there not there for the money because of all the cheap jerks out there buying from e-bay. You had better support your Hobby Shops or you will be standing in lines at WalMart and K-mart waiting to make an exchange of a pile of junk that 1 out of 20 are what there suppose to be


I totally agree.
There are still a few RC products still made in the USA (ex. Dubro, Pro-Line, RPM), and it's not only worth the extra money to buy these over cheaper imports, but also to support your local hobby shop or at least distributers who know the products they sell.

On the subject of Walmart for your reading pleasure:

http://walmartspeakout.com/speak-out/main
http://walmartsucksorg.blogspot.com/
http://walmartwatch.com/



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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/17/2009 1:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is another thing that I just though of and others have hit upon already. Probably the best thing that promotes the hobby is local club level racing that the local RC stores set up each weekend (or every other weekend). Showing these RCs actually running in public with knowledgeable hobbyists and racers providing actual in-person advice, explanation, and even face to face coaching to a noob who wants to get into racing is the absolute best way to promote the hobby. Knowledgeable people will teach the responsibilities and what is commonly broken/wears down versus what is NOT supposed to be broken. WalMart is not going to know what is commonly broken or needs constant replacement as part of replacement.

Also how the heck will wallyworld teach responsibility and due care for RCs? Tell them to hit the net? That is too damn overwhelming! So, a kid who buys an RC from wallyworld crashes his RC because he did not know that you are supposed to drive with care and responsibility, will wallyworld refund that? Will wallyworld take the time to set up a race track and racing events during the weekends? I think not! At most, wallyworld will throw a ton of money to maybe sponsor a racing event; money that they have extorted out of the economy like the robber-barons they are.

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/17/2009 6:22 PM   
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Well ToysRus sells HPI stuff:

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3451165




One guy who reviewed the E10 was a "PROFETINAL rc RACER!!!11!oneeleven12!!".

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/17/2009 6:55 PM   
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I can defenitly see that... people don't realize the caliber of product they are buying. Still... once they fire it up a return is not a possibility... people should be able to figure that out when they pay a few hundred for an rc car. More then likely walmart shuts em down for a return and they go home and figure out how to work on it/run it.

More likely, they'd just toss it, thinking that it's just like toy rc's. You got to remember that a LOT of newbies out there have no initiative whether it be building or fixing their RCs. That's why they buy RTRs.

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/18/2009 11:51 PM   
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What will these retail stores do? All they will do is sell and maybe sell replacement parts too, but they will not do a damn thing to educate the noobs on one of the most important parts of the hobby: Fixing and Maintenance!

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/19/2009 12:25 AM   
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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/19/2009 12:29 AM   
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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/19/2009 1:07 AM   
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What will these retail stores do? All they will do is sell and maybe sell replacement parts too, but they will not do a damn thing to educate the noobs on one of the most important parts of the hobby: Fixing and Maintenance!


This is one of the main reasons for why we will never have to worry about chain stores like Wal-Mart taking over hobby grade R/C. A decent amount of mechanical aptitude and knowledge is required to own and operate a hobby grade vehicle. The average Wal-Mart customer has nil, they are only interested in the latest mainstream trend. Only a small fraction of customers would be interested in a $400+ Nitro R/C that needs special $30/gallon fuel and a variety of other items to get it running. This would include the merest fraction of customers - true hobbyists, and rich kids who get their parents to buy them what they see as a disposable toy that can be tossed aside or returned when it doesn't function as they expected. Wal-Mart executives aren't idiots, they realize it would be a disaster, which is why they have not yet attempted to bring hobby grade R/C to the mainstream. They'd rather sell iPods instead, they know that our sheep-like society will flock in to buy the latest trendy gadget at the lowest possible price, without giving so much as a thought to the fact that by doing so, they are running Ma and Pa shops into the ground. Fortunately, I don't think R/C will ever have to worry about that.

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RE: What about Wal-Mart? - 8/21/2009 12:59 AM   
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Now, I have no problem with PepBoys selling Traxxas; at least automotive stores bring in gear heads who are mechanically inclined and can very easily understand the responsibility of RCs as well as how to fix and maintain them. Afterall, if you can rebuilt a V8, you can rebuild an entire TMaxx in a 10th of the time!

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