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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/5/2011 7:43 PM   
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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 8:32 AM   
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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 8:49 AM   
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congratulations, a fine model.

Don, I'm looking for a German 1/6 WW1 model kit, maybe D7, B1, LVG or Siemens, Pfalz.

Do you have a source?

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 9:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it's just a sport-scale quick-built interpretation of the Sopwith Pup with no frills, but it's a lot of fun to fly and I can use all the practice I can get! Good and really scale kits of German WWI aircraft are scarce at any scale and particularly at 1/6 scale. To be honest, the only 1/6 scale WWI kit that I would bother with at all at this point is the AerodromeRC DVII (designed for electric). In terms of plans, the 1/6 scale plans of the LVG VI by Frank Mizer are a work of art in themselves. The prototype took Best of Show at Toleda several years ago. You can order the plans through the Flying Scale Models website.

There aren't more than a dozen truly scale WWI kits anywhere in the world. Many of the AerodromeRC kits are reasonably scale, but they're mostly small electric models. If you're interested in one of the Albatros fighters, the FunAero kits are good value for the money (though perhaps not when you include shipping to Germany).

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 9:53 AM   
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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 9:58 AM   
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Don, so I will study the material.

But, I search not a scale model, I will buy a good flyable and beautiful 1/6 model kit for my son.
I have no time to construct him a complete model.

 



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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 10:07 AM   
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Don, so I will study the material.

But, I search not a scale model, I will buy a good flyable and beautiful 1/6 model kit for my son.
I have no time to construct him a complete model.

 




I was guessing it was something like that. The Flair sport-scale (glow-powered) DVII is 1/6 scale and not that bad looking. This is the same company as my Puppeteer. The airfoil is not at all scale but with a little work it can look nice...and is reportedly a very nice flyer.

http://www.flairmodels.co.uk/Aircraft/Scouts/Scoutframes.htm

But I would strongly recommend the AerodromeRC WWI kits...might be just the thing for your son!

http://www.aerodromerc.com/


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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 10:33 AM   
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the AerodromeRC WWI-Kits,....the Halberstadt would be the right model, but too small.

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 10:42 AM   
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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 5:40 PM   
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I have already a DIII.

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 5:49 PM   
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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 5:55 PM   
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gabriel I don't see any coverite on tony clarks page. I only see profi cover?



@Bob,

that you will see, I've forgotten.

greetings Matz


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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 6:03 PM   
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Don, I found a small company in russia.

There are a Farman 20 with 175cm wingspan,....I've tried to order the model,...oh man,...what a disaster,.....but fine and cheap models.



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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 6:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: abufletcher 1/4 scale enlargement of the side view from the Mizer LVG VI plans. I could just look at these all day!


Hi Don, I too have the Mizer plans, 1/6th scale I believe, for the LVG VI and agree thay are exceptionally well done. It is really tempting to see them enlarged to 1/4 scale as I do intend to scratch build one at 1/4 scale some year soon. When I do it will be an all out fully detailed scale effort - it is such a beautiful machine isn't it, and there is a plethora of visual info on the web for scale accuracy and detail. I will wait though until a little more experienced and ready.

In the meantime I need to practice my scratch building skills with a 1/4 scale Fokker DVIII or perhaps a Morane Saulnier Type N with wing warping. I am leaning toward the Morane Saulnier - very aerodynamic for the time and quite a sleek little French fighter of 1915! Have already started drafting the plans, just need to wrap my head around how to "easily" detach all the flying wires so that the wings can be removed to fit in my vehicle.... some thinking to do. When I get it going I will probably start a build thread.

Nice job on the Puppeteer, looks great again.
I quickly looked into the Flair Kits but cannot find any price list? Can you point us in the right direction?

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 6:14 PM   
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What about the Flair kit of the Bristol F2B British biplane fighter, 76" wingspan, lots of extras in teh kit?

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 6:24 PM   
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Thanks Brian,

but I wanted a special 1 / 6 model (german), it should be for my son.

 I think the Flair models are the same as Jamara?

 Is it so?


Heeee Don,

the company which builds my scale propeller, has all the flair model kits.

 



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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/7/2011 7:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay Matz, consider this one - a 1/6 scale German Fokker Eindekker EIII, 66inch wingspan, from Aerodrome RC. Two variations, one with a scale undercambered airfoil, the other a flat bottomed - maybe better for your son.
check it out at http://www.aerodromerc.com/ click on Models, Short Kits, scroll down through the German section to the Eindekker III 66".

I'm considering one of these for my son...
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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/8/2011 12:29 AM   
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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/8/2011 1:23 AM   
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Okay Matz, consider this one - a 1/6 scale German Fokker Eindekker EIII, 66inch wingspan, from Aerodrome RC. Two variations, one with a scale undercambered airfoil, the other a flat bottomed - maybe better for your son.


I also thought of suggesting this one...and have thought about getting one for myself as well. But if you read the flight report in the downloadable instruction manual, it may not be an easy model to fly due to sensitivity from the scale full-flying elevator. By the way, I like the way this kit uses thin full-span ailerons instead of the usual cutout type. This helps maintain the illusion of wing warping.

Brian, Radical RC sells the Flair kits in the US. You also used to be able to get them from Third Coast Hobbies. The prices seem to have gone up a bit since I bought mine. But these really are just stand WAY OFF scale and they're really only worth building to have a nice sort of practice model. I built mine, from box to maiden, in six weeks.

http://www.radicalrc.com/category/FlairWWI-150



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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/8/2011 4:07 AM   
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That covering you have is the 21st Century; what BobH and I were wondering is if you had a source for the old Super Coverite in Antique.

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/8/2011 10:04 AM   
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Thanks all for the help.

@TFF
The old Coverite that I have, are the remaining stock from the Graupner program.
That's not possible to get, the old Coverite has a darker color, more antique
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I will show you the Russian side model.
Do you know this?
http://wingsofhistory.ru/

greetings Matz



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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/8/2011 11:11 AM   
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Do you know this?

http://wingsofhistory.ru/


да, я увидел это!

Someone from this company posted a "build" thread for the DrI a year or so ago. Their models are both amazingly scale and yet curiously off at the same time. Also amazing is that almost the entire airframe is made of ply.




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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/8/2011 12:00 PM   
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I've also asked for the order, but everything pay in advance to a Russian bank and I have not so good  experience,..... they don't have Paypal.



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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/13/2011 1:02 PM   
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Now I've found a ww1 kit.
A Fokker E III by Graupner, not a scale kit but ok.

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Albatros CI build - 12/13/2011 4:22 PM   
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But if you read the flight report in the downloadable instruction manual, it may not be an easy model to fly due to sensitivity from the scale full-flying elevator. By the way, I like the way this kit uses thin full-span ailerons instead of the usual cutout type. This helps maintain the illusion of wing warping.

I'm going to assume that the 'flight report' is erring on the safe side . I'm quite used to tail-draggers and think if one programs in a lot of expo into the elevator it should be okay. Maybe even have a dual rate set up with really limited movement for first flight and then toggle the switch for more throw in flight if needed. I tried this with an Extra 300 ARF if picked up at an airshow this past summer. The really large control surfaces scared the out of me. I was really worried about such large control surface throws so I programmed in dual rates and lots of expo. It worked out really well and I've tamed it right down as I'm no 3D flier.

As for the full span ailerons - my verdict is not in yet. I like the illusion yet am really tempted to try wing warping. I suppose I could just beef up or re-make all the wing ribs if I wanted wing warping. What I like about the kit is the scale appearance of the model and the choice of scale undercambered ribs (for me) and flat bottomed ribs (for my son).
Anyway, I'm still looking around but this particular model is winning me over...

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A Fokker E III by Graupner, not a scale kit but ok.

Matz, maybe you can provide more details on this kit for us. Are the ribs undercambered? Does it use cut-out or strip ailerons or actual wingwarping?
I can't seem to find where to order it - what is your source?

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