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Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 4:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello.... recently I became interested in the Old Time "vintage" airplanes...  Not being  interested in Gas Planes I had always envisioned a large scale electric vintage plane taking off in to the sunset. So recently, while searching the auctions in this site, I came across a vintage  gas, Taibi Powerhouse, with polyester covering that was for sale.  I quickly contacted the owner and purchased it. These are some pics of the condition of the planes when I received it.

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 4:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		As you can see, the covering is basically in pretty good condition but because of the fact it has previously used a large gas engine, there was a substantial portion of the cowl area that was cut away to accommodate and had to be repaired in order to use an electric engine. After considering several alternatives to colse up that gaping hole, I decided to use sticks, CA, duct tape and fiberglass resin in an attempt to try and re-build the complete cowl and also design it to be strong.  This process was very time consuming. I took wooden sticks and CA'ed it to the rear portion of the firewall in a continuing shape of the existing cowl. Once they were "reasonably" secured, I used duct tape on the bottom of the sticks to form the inverted simi-circle to conform to the existing shape. Once that was in place, I placed the plane on a horizontal plane and filled in each of the segments with fiberglass resin; to the point that it actually over flowed. I also used the duct tape to form a trough around the bottom of the cowl so that none of the fiberglass resin would adhere to the polyester resin covering.

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 4:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		After repeating this process of resin application and sanding; the cowl finally started to tqake some shape

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 4:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Next was to work on the polyester covering itself. Generally, It was in very good condition with a few zing here and there. The main problem I had was with the emblems that ran down the two side of the plane from the cowling to the elevator, and also the underside of the wing contained one large star on the bottom side of each of the wings. After speaking with several "experts" and folks at the hobby field, I determined that I could probably airbrush the wings without adding much weight and still maintain that transparent  polyester covering look. So , I set about using the airbrush to prime the "emblems" around the plane with grey "testors" (from the can) primer. That was helpful in getting to coverup those decals. Any attempts to move them was quickly halted after I noted that when removing them, you also removed the resin covering.

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 4:47 AM   
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I've got a short kit in 84 and a smaller version and plans for the Power Mouse for a tiny diesel.
ood luck with your PowerHouse!
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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 7:24 AM   
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Nice find!
I've got a short kit in 84 and a smaller version and plans for the Power Mouse for a tiny diesel.
ood luck with your PowerHouse!
Rob


Hi Rob,

I have a full Powerhouse 84" kit and the Forster 99 to go with it.

I'd love a copy of the Power Mouse plans to make the set, do you have details of the source please?



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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 1:11 PM   
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Well, back at it, next I primed the entire plane while and airbrushed thte entire plane yellow.



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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 1:37 PM   
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Status: online 		The yellow looks great, hope you cleaned it well and the chosen paint can flex with the covering.

John,
shoot me off a PM with a email address and I can shoot the file off to you.
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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 1:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		More airbrushing and trimming for the red paint...  by this  time I have already decided that I will power the model with an E-Flite 46. The AUW of the model should be approx. five pounds and with a 5S 5000 mah Lipo, an e-flite 80amp switching speed control, swinging a 14 or 15 inch prop, This plane should really take off on a short field, and also allow me some very slow park like flying.

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 3:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is coming along very well.  How long have you been working on it?

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 4:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks jjscott - in fact I worked on the entire project for about three months, on and off. ....more masking pics...and I the paint I used did flex very well.....

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 5:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		That model looks beautiful!!!!!!

I wish people wouldn't  keep laying a guilt trip on me for not having built the models that I am waiting to build.

My one excuse is that I'm getting used to my electric mobility scooter and fitting me a stairlift bought cheap on eBay.

Three of us put it on the car roof to bring it back, that worked OK. My wife, myself and a shorter friend tried to take it off the car roof and then it happened.

I have a wonderful set of bruises to show people and to claim that my wife is bullying me. Doesn't get any models built but it's fun anyway.


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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 6:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		thanks alot  Old Git.......Well, even though this is a short build log... the actual build (re-build) did take a few months..... I'm a stickler for  detail and I think that comes  from my beginnings as a scale model boat builder.  Anyway, I noted that the old firewall that held the Gas engine was falling apart and would probaly not be able to hold the E-flite 46 engine and the force that it would put on the fusalage... My remedy was to sealing the tire compartment of holes, ( previously used for the gas pushrods). I also cut out and formed a new oval motor mount out of a small block of wood I had lying around. I fixed the mount in place and ended up securing the mount by holding the fusalage vertically and poured about 6 ounces of fiberglass resin around the mount onto the rear firewall in order to firmly secure the new motor mount. .... Final build pics...

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 7:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		and finally........ field shots!          I will upload a video this evening

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 7:49 PM   
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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 9:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very nice work indeed, I'm sure she'll fly great.
 
The Powerhouse has long been my favorite "old timer". The model's designer Sal Taibi was a member of the Brooklyn Skyscrapers club back in 1938 when he designed that model (as a 17 year old) so if you're flying in the NYC area the design has come home

Last I knew Sal was still flying FF models and is a wonderful ambassador for the hobby, with a number of legendary FF designs to his credit.

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 11:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		She actually flies like a dream. As soon as I get home I will be able to add the link for the youtube video. What amazes me is that sheer power of teh electric motor..... the plane, at less than half  throttle takes off in less than five feet of ground. I have the CG right at the 50% mark where many of these forums have suggested it be because of the "lifting tail".   With that power I have programmed in 30% down elevator through the entire throttle band.......   Also, while I'm flying, If I want to go almost vertical, I simply turn off the mix.

flight times are also amazing......  mostly, once up I fly at less than 1/2 throttle, or no throttle at all. After most of my flight I have found that I replace about 2700 Mah of the 4900 Lipo 5S battery and that is after about 15 - 20 mis of flying around...... these old timers are a thing of beauty. This one is different than, but flies similar to the 96" Lanzo Bomber I also just finished.....

I think that this will be the last of the Vintage planes I build because they can make you run out of space in your house real quick....

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/22/2009 11:50 PM   
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The yellow and red looks great - I like the scallop on the fuse sides.

As for size there are plenty of the .020 sized old timers which store quite well

Or the .09 size Mercury and Airtrails Sportster......get busy!

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/23/2009 2:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hahaha, Hey RocketRob, I guess you want my wife to throw me out of the house.....   anyway, here is the link for the youtube video of its maiden flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DDo0YWcvoQ




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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/23/2009 2:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		KH116- Thanks for posting pics of your project!  You did a great job and have inspired me to finish the Buzzard Bombshell I've inherited.  Sure enjoyed the video.   Makes me think I can get away with quite a bit less power and battery in the Bombshell.  Your Powerhouse takes off like a rocket!   Enjoy..... 

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/23/2009 3:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		thanks Jeff, it my was first venture into these beautiful planes and I initially did not know what to expect. But looking at, and reading the forums in this site inspired me to make an attempt at it. I have to say the the power to weight ratio is incredible. The plane flies like one of my small slow flyers, and everyone who sees it in the air and wonders why they dont heasr the engine, are shocked when they realize that it is battery operated.   I have seen photos of the Buzzard Bombshell; that should sure be a nice model... what size are you going to make it?

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/23/2009 7:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hice Job KH116!

I too am amazed by the power and flight-times of a modern Lipo and brushless motor combination. A far cry from the can-motors and NiCads of not so long ago which struggled to get off the ground and didn't stay long above it when they had done!

I have a double sized Vic Smeed Tomboy in the loft, just waiting for some repairs. It was drawn-up by my uncle, who was a draghtsman and who helped me build my first model aircraft fifty years ago.

Where did all that time go!

Guess I'll have to electrify that now.

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/23/2009 1:22 PM   
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You did a beautiful job restoring that plane! I purchased a 1941 Goldberg Comet Interceptor that was in rough shape, and like you I restored it and in the process converted it to electric flight. It also has the lifting stabilizer and it flies like a dream. You mentioned in one of your previous posts that you recently built a 96" Lanzo Bomber. I've got a short kit for this same model and I plan on building it later on this year. And I'll likely power it with an electric motor too. What motor/battery/prop combo did you select for the Bomber, and how does she fly? Could you post a few pictures of the finished project? Thanks.

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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/23/2009 4:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey there, thanks for the compliment!!!  I agree re: the flight times and lifting power of the new batter/motor combinations. I think that these models benefit evn more from the new technology. The sheer size of these models and wing loading allow them to carry relatively large batteries and motors yet still have an AUW of 5 to 6 pounds. Most of the motors I have been using are able to lift planes having an AUW of 9 -  10 pound when used for lesiurely flyings. 3D, of course is another matter.....
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Hice Job KH116!

I too am amazed by the power and flight-times of a modern Lipo and brushless motor combination. A far cry from the can-motors and NiCads of not so long ago which struggled to get off the ground and didn't stay long above it when they had done!

I have a double sized Vic Smeed Tomboy in the loft, just waiting for some repairs. It was drawn-up by my uncle, who was a draghtsman and who helped me build my first model aircraft fifty years ago.

Where did all that time go!

Guess I'll have to electrify that now.

Happy Landings

 



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RE: Sal Taibi 84 - 6/23/2009 4:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Juggler,  I appreciate the kind words...... as for the Lanzo Bomber.. the model I built was not from plans but was an ARF that I purchased from a gentleman named Nick. He owes a company called DirectModels. It is based in Austraila and I believe that he is the only company that is producing a very complete and beautiful ARF Lanzo Bomber. It is not the 96" one, but is 84"s. Nevertheless, it is beautiful and flies like a dream.....I use a Himaxx  HC5018-530 brushless motor...It is very, very powerful. I use a 14" spinner and two 5S 3000 Mah lipo batteries. Actually I use the two mainly for the cg placement. As you must be aware that model does not leave much room to move the CG forward if you have converted it to electric and don't have a big gas motor sitting out front. Even so, I have only used one of the batteries at a time and have managed to get about 20 mins of flying and gliding, while using only about 2300 mah of that pack... I"ll post some pics of my bomber sometime tomorrow....



Hi KH116,

You did a beautiful job restoring that plane! I purchased a 1941 Goldberg Comet Interceptor that was in rough shape, and like you I restored it and in the process converted it to electric flight. It also has the lifting stabilizer and it flies like a dream. You mentioned in one of your previous posts that you recently built a 96" Lanzo Bomber. I've got a short kit for this same model and I plan on building it later on this year. And I'll likely power it with an electric motor too. What motor/battery/prop combo did you select for the Bomber, and how does she fly? Could you post a few pictures of the finished project? Thanks.

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