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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/25/2003 11:17:17 AM   
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If you want instruction how to make a simple,inexpensive lithium ion battery DC charger(less than 10 bucks).Charge 1 to 3 cells. charge current adjustable.

E-mail me.

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/25/2003 6:16:31 PM   
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Hi! Why don't you just post it publicly so all can benifit? That's what this place is for, ya know?

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/25/2003 10:36:15 PM   
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Homemade Li-ion charger??? Can you say, "BOOM?"

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/26/2003 1:09:01 AM   
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haha, no doubt! Ill stick to my BPP SC2

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/26/2003 1:39:32 AM   
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post the schematic to it....

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/26/2003 3:15:38 AM   
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They won't go BOOM (OK, probably won't go boom.) There is nothing magical about charging Li-Po. All you need is a charger that limits output above a certain voltage. I have a home made dual charger I made for about $15 with RadioShack parts. I have two outputs, it is selectable form 1 to 3 cells, and charge rate is selectable from 50ma to 1000 ma in 50ma increments, independently on both channels. I use it all the time to charge my 1000mah and 2000mah Li-Po packs. Probably over 100 cycles now. Nothing went boom. It works just fine.

My charger isn't a slick as a charger that uses a ready made Li-Po charging IC. Mine slowly reduces charging current as the cutoff voltage is reached. Once cutoff voltage is reached, the packs are floated at that voltage. The purpose built ICs tend to charge at a higher rate longer and then quickly shut down... all this really does is just shorten the time required to fully charge the pack. In other words, my home built charger will fill a 1000 mah pack to 90% in say an hour, just like the brand name chargers, but it will take my charger another hour to get the last 10% into the battery while the IC based charger would only take another 10 minutes or so. I get around this extra wait by only using the brand name charger for finishing the packs off that I charged to 90% on my home made charger... mainly becasue I don't like to wait. If I left the pcak on my home made charger, they would charge to full eventually and then the charger floats the pack, i.e., you could leave the pack on forever without causing damage.

When I get home, I'll open my charger up to see what I did to build the circuit... I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think I used an adjustable voltage regulator with feedbacks to set charging current and cutoff voltage.

Cheers

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/26/2003 4:27:16 AM   
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The only schematics I have for my charger is an AutoCAD file I used to etch the board... not terribly helpful. However, it is very similar to this one that I found on the web. Basically a voltage regulator with feedback loop to set cutoff voltage and a resistor network to limit charging current.

http://shdesigns.dyndns.org/pdf/lionchg3.pdf

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/26/2003 6:42:18 AM   
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how much did it cost?


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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/26/2003 10:06:45 AM   
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The one I built is a little different from the schematic I linked to above. I have a stock of elec stuff like caps, resistors, voltage regs, etc. so I don't really know what I have in mine. I'd guess maybe $25 to $30 for the dual output version I made. I'd think one could build a single output for under $20 and a couple hours work. The LM317 is very cheap... like 50 cents in quantity 1. The transistors are probably a dime or less, might have a buck in resistors, .01uf caps are probably 1 cent each, etc. My guess is the switches will be the most expensive part of the charger listed in the posted schematic.

Cheers

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/26/2003 9:54:31 PM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MonkeyBoy
They won't go BOOM (OK, probably won't go boom.) There is nothing magical about charging Li-Po. All you need is a charger that limits output above a certain voltage. I have a home made dual charger I made for about $15 with RadioShack parts. I have two outputs, it is selectable form 1 to 3 cells, and charge rate is selectable from 50ma to 1000 ma in 50ma increments, independently on both channels. I use it all the time to charge my 1000mah and 2000mah Li-Po packs. Probably over 100 cycles now. Nothing went boom. It works just fine.

My charger isn't a slick as a charger that uses a ready made Li-Po charging IC. Mine slowly reduces charging current as the cutoff voltage is reached. Once cutoff voltage is reached, the packs are floated at that voltage. The purpose built ICs tend to charge at a higher rate longer and then quickly shut down... all this really does is just shorten the time required to fully charge the pack. In other words, my home built charger will fill a 1000 mah pack to 90% in say an hour, just like the brand name chargers, but it will take my charger another hour to get the last 10% into the battery while the IC based charger would only take another 10 minutes or so. I get around this extra wait by only using the brand name charger for finishing the packs off that I charged to 90% on my home made charger... mainly becasue I don't like to wait. If I left the pcak on my home made charger, they would charge to full eventually and then the charger floats the pack, i.e., you could leave the pack on forever without causing damage.

When I get home, I'll open my charger up to see what I did to build the circuit... I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think I used an adjustable voltage regulator with feedbacks to set charging current and cutoff voltage.

Cheers
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"Probably won't go BOOM"... Geez, I hope you're not in sales anywhere.

There's nothing "magical" about a building a bomb either, but's that's what you've got if you don't do it right. For me, it's silly to introduce that kind of risk to amateurs with "homebuilt" designs. And that's what I and most of us are here when it comes to electrical/circuit design/building- amateurs (if you're not an amateur, chances are you don't need the schematic in the first place- you could design/build your own).

I don't mean to flame anyone- just understand the audience and disclose the risks involved. In any case, I recommend that for Li-ion, folks shell out the few extra bucks to buy from a reputable vendor for safety's sake.

- George

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/26/2003 10:59:58 PM   
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"Probably won't go Boom"... any battery can go BOOM. I've only had one LiPo blow up and it happened on a high dollar retail charger, not my home made gizmo... go figure. All it did was just split open (popping noise like a paper bag), stink really bad and it scared the daylights out of the cats.

Any battery can go boom. Buddy of mine burnt down half his house charging a NiCd on a wall wart. It happened at night while he was sleeping and he almost lost his life.

By "Magical" I mean it isn't rocket science. If you are adept enough to understand the schematic and build the circuit, you will be fine IMO. If the schematic is above your head or you lack the fabrication skills (board layout, soldering, etc.) by all means, don't build this circuit. Get a retail charger instead. In many respects, LiPos are easier to charge compared to NiCd/NiMH. LiPos use a cutoff voltage, not peak detection. This makes a safe high current charging circuit very simple to design and build for LiPos.

The primary risk with charging any battery is fire. With this or any charger, don't leave the batteries unattended.

No flame taken... but I think you are being over cautious... But I suppose that is better than not being cautious enough.

Once again, if you don't understand this circuit... don't build it. If you do understand it, give it a try. It does work.

Cheers

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/27/2003 5:49:05 AM   
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If you are interested in building a "smart" Li-Ion charger that will work with any type of Li-Ion cell (cylindrical, prismatic or poly) visit the Texas Instruments website.

Use this link ( http://focus.ti.com/docs/search/paramsearch.jhtml?familyId=411&tfsection=param_table&templateId=2&showAssociated=false) to review all the charge control IC's made by TI. You will find they also have charge IC's for Ni-Cd, Ni-MH and Lead-Acid chemistries too. If you find something of interest, select a chip then open the application notes and in each document you will find a schematic for the device and a suggested circuit that the device will operate.

You can find similar charge IC's on the National Semiconductor and Analog Devices sites, as well as several others. We use several of these charge IC's and they work quite well.

Hope this helps.

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/27/2003 5:50:01 AM   
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If you are interested in building a "smart" Li-Ion charger that will work with any type of Li-Ion cell (cylindrical, prismatic or poly) visit the Texas Instruments website.

Use this link ( http://focus.ti.com/docs/search/par...ssociated=false) to review all the charge control IC's made by TI. You will find they also have charge IC's for Ni-Cd, Ni-MH and Lead-Acid chemistries too. If you find something of interest, select a chip then open the application notes and in each document you will find a schematic for the device and a suggested circuit that the device will operate.

You can find similar charge IC's on the National Semiconductor and Analog Devices sites, as well as several others. We use several of these charge IC's and they work quite well.

Hope this helps.

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Home made Lithium Ion battery charger - 6/27/2003 7:38:32 PM   
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While you are at the TI website see if you can build a 4 port charger which can cycle, fast charge then trickle etc

Build it before 9:00am sometime in July

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