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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 11/9/2010 2:19 AM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 11/9/2010 2:32 AM   
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I'll bite, I would commit to a .60-.90 size Stinger kit as long as it does not have that crappy turtle deck.

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I am not familiar with this name. Do you have a picture, or a 3 view, etc.
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 11/9/2010 1:31 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 11/9/2010 4:07 PM   
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I might have pics around the house if I can find them but here is the link to the RCU product guide.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/product_guide/kitprofile.cfm?kit_id=2254



Thanks for the link. From what I can tell, the Stinger is not modeled after a real plane. If so, it would not be right to make a copy, even though one can get round the legal issues by making minor changes. As a designer myself, I don't like to hijack someone else's design.

Having said that, I do need an werobatic model or two to add to my catalog. I can design one from scratch.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 3/18/2011 6:45 AM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 3/20/2011 12:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		YEA i cant beleive nobody else for the cg ultimate thats the best flying bipe of all time.

i read the posts and cant ever see myself buying stinger  it was a cheap plane that i just didnt like. but a fun plane for a lot of people,  as for the cg extra. i have seen a lot of them and they never looked quite right to me.
i think its the cowling and the lines didnt apeal to me. all though i have seen them fly and the people who flow them seem to really like them. so i guess this one would be popular enough. i like the sukhio better than the extra, i just bought a cg sukhoi kit at a swap real cheap. vers 2 with the new fiberglas parts. and a cg ultimate kit for 100.00 earlier in the year at a swap. i ran out of money i could have had the cg extra kit for 70.00. and nobody bought it. hard to believe huh. i am like you guys i like to build. but from now on when i get i plane i like i order all the wood and just cut a new kit and keep the origianal for reference. there is just no money for kit makers any more and it makes me sad. these kit we like are for a better word out of style. every new guy wants to 3d fly the funny thing is most 3d flyers i see cant fly a plane strait or even know what a split s is or a hammer head. lol

As for the Jungman  yes i would buy a kit.
but i can remember a few of them at the flying fields and everyone who owned on complained about the time and trouble putting it toghter at the field. great scale kit i think its worth the trouble. but i am sure if the goldberg ultimate was rerealesed it would out sell the jungman and extra very easy.

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Nobody will speak for the GB Ultimate???
I want one, I was going to get one this year... ...I thought they wouldn't discontinue "THAT" one!!!



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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 3/20/2011 12:57 AM   
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Hobbico offers the plans for all the airplanes I have requested. You could plans build it.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 3/20/2011 3:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Brian, here is a set of builders plans from MAN and they have every part needed to build the plane printed in profile. Even tell you how many are needed and made from what wood. Very few kit plans had this, some of the old Royal and others. I don't recall seeing GP or CG plans with these parts shown? Just wondering if they are on some of the kit plans you want?
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 3/20/2011 4:31 AM   
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I don't recall seeing GP or CG plans with these parts shown? Just wondering if they are on some of the kit plans you want?


This is very true.

My responce to emilsanto might have sounded condescending. I did not mean it this way and I hope I didn't cause any frustration.

I am in the process of learning how to compensate for this lack of information at the moment. There are a few plans that give you enough detail to get the parts you need though. The CG Ultimate and GP Super Aeromaster for example. This is true when dealing with a straight wing. There is a way to get a taper/double taper wing cut as long as you have a profile for a wingtip and at least a "at fuse" drawing on the plan. (It involves a lot of work without the aid of a CAD program. How bad do you want to build it?)

The CG Extra is an example of needing to fix a factory cut. The outboard wingtip from the factory is so far off I do not believe it even belongs to the CG Extra.

It can be done. The learning curve takes a while. This much I am experiencing.

I have been building off of RCM plans primarily lately. But I know MAN plans are wonderful.

A great primer- to learn how to get these profiles from the limited information provided through the Hobbico plans - can be found when reading through the classic pattern threads.

However, I know you already know these things, and can teach me far more than I know on this subject. (That sounds rude, but it is intended to be understood that I have GREAT respect for your knowledge and abilities Gene.)

I hope I helped and answered the question???

Brian

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I guess I am saying that I have doubts we'll ever see these planes mfg'd again, and the future of them must be found by learning how to produce them with the limited information given on existing plans. I do not believe for a minute Hobbico will be helpful in that regard.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 9/27/2011 9:45 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 9/27/2011 11:07 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 9/28/2011 1:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		While I realize this is the kit builders forum there are several ARF'S I would like to see available again like the goldberg tiger 2 the arf flew better than the kit because it had 2 servo's for the ailerons or at least a new kit with this option or maybe the falcon 56 or senior falcon.
BUT what I would really like to see is a new and improved Hobbico STARFIRE 40 arf or least something sportier than an escapade ( I have both sizes) but NOT a 3D plane the starfire was such a smooth flying plane that suffered from thin plastic parts that fell off and TERRIBLE covering. Greg

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 9/28/2011 3:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		i agree i vote for the starfire too even though i am mostly a kit person
i have been able to come up with one nib starfire i plan to put together and another one thats a bit rough but would be great for parts or a little work and get her in the air but i doubt i will since i have the nib one (lifes short putem together and flyem is what i say, the others in my kit collection are for spares when one goes down )

a kits i wish they would bring back are:

gp Super Skybolt kit
gp extra 300s .40 kit
gp super decathlon 40 kit

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/24/2012 7:09 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/24/2012 9:07 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/24/2012 10:42 PM   
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I love CG kits. If the extra was cut I will buy one

Only way your ever going to get a CG Extra is to find one at a swap meet or on line or ask around and get the templates and cut your own. It's a very easy plane to build. There is a complete thread of a lot of pages for this plane and several people have the templates. Do the search and read it, then ask around. Once Tower got there hands on it the kit was dropped. I even tried to get them to sell a set of builders plans for it and never got any replies from them.
Tower does sell a 60 size Extra of there own though. Doesn't fly as well but it's still a pretty nice kit.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/24/2012 11:10 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/25/2012 1:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Last one I built I got the kit at a club auction for $10.00. It was missing the LG and canopy plus the wheel pants and cowl. I picked those up from FGS.
I kept the plans/blue prints and instructions and got the templates from a fellow here on RCU. FGS still has the cowl, pants and canopy but last I heard they no longer have the LG? Cost of the wood to cut my own was under $100.00. There are photos of a couple of mine in my photo file. If you cut your own you can build them a lot lighter then the kit.
Even when I had the kit I still replaced the cowl and pants with good glass ones from FGS. Before Lanier bought out CG the kit was almost $200.00 so even on the net the kit hasn't gone up too much.
The last one I built was a gift for a friend. He has the YS 1.40 in it with some very good servos and the FGS parts. He is looking to sell it now. He had moved to Oregon when I built it for him and it only got flown a few times. He pulled it out a couple months ago and can't figure out why the engine won't run now. He isn't an engine guy and knows nothing about a YS at all. There were only two of us at the club that used them. I have told him what to do to get the engine going again but?? He is selling all his RC stuff. Don't know what he wants for this plane? There is a photo of it in my file. If you want I can PM you his address and you can ask him about it.
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/26/2012 4:17 PM   
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I love CG kits. If the extra was cut I will buy one

Once Tower got there hands on it the kit was dropped. I even tried to get them to sell a set of builders plans for it and never got any replies from them.

Tower does sell a 60 size Extra of there own though. Doesn't fly as well but it's still a pretty nice kit.


Sorry to contradict, but that's not correct. Tower Hobbies had nothing to do with it. When the Goldberg kit line was acquired in the purchase of Lanier, all kits that were NOT SELLING were dropped. All products are continually scrutinized to see how they are supporting themselves. Products must justify their own existence. Nobody can afford to keep things around that just don't sell enough to support the expenses of carrying them.

Too many people don't get the idea that things that sell will not be dropped!



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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/26/2012 5:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bax, thanks for contributing here!

I do now feel like my feedback has some effect. Maybe they would've done it anyway, but the Futaba 14SG is exactly the radio I whined about here, so now mine's on pre-order.

Now back to these kits, we know we're in the minority here. It's obvious enough when we show up to fly on the weekend.

However, there are options available to Hobbico that would make everyone happy.

1. If a kit has been out of production for a while and starts to show up rarely or for a high dollar amounts on E-Bay, then Hobbico probably could re-release them for a limited run. I kinda hope that is the plan. I certainly think a few of the kits mentioned here could do relatively well. (Relative to other kits, that is.)

2. Alternately, if Hobbico feels these will never be profitable for them, they could either simply sell the plans?, license the kits to one of the many kit cutters who specialize in one off production?, or even do as Midwest has done in past, and simply donate the plans to the AMA plans service.

The frustrating thing for many is when the kits become unavailable / collectors items and therefore too expensive for the actual builder.





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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/26/2012 5:23 PM   
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Sorry to contradict, but that's not correct. Tower Hobbies had nothing to do with it. When the Goldberg kit line was acquired in the purchase of Lanier, all kits that were NOT SELLING were dropped. All products are continually scrutinized to see how they are supporting themselves. Products must justify their own existence. Nobody can afford to keep things around that just don't sell enough to support the expenses of carrying them.

Too many people don't get the idea that things that sell will not be dropped!


I can't help but think, if Goldberg Kits sold well enough, that might have kept Lanier in business.

Nice to see that Great Planes still offers a number of kits!
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/26/2012 5:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		BAX could not be more right on.
If a company can not sell enough of something to make a profit, why in the world would they produce it. This thread has been here for quite a while now and no one has seen any of these kits return, and never will. As much as I would like to see hundreds of kits on the market, that is not where the profit is. The big profit is with the people coming into this hobby, and they don't want kits. They want instant gratifcation. They want the endless supply of RTF stuff that comes from the pacific rim. Many don't care about how an airplane goes together or what makes a good one vs a bad one. Most will never build a kit, because that would be way too difficult for them.
If you are a kit builder and want to see kits survive, the only thing you can do is support the guys that are still in business and making some great kits. Bless their hearts. Sig, BUSA, GP, Tower, and Bridi (just to name a few) all offer many great kits. Support them by purchasing their kits. Kit builders are but a tiny percentage of the RC population. Stop whining about the stuff manufacturers simply can't produce anymore because only a few guys want it, and even fewer are willing to pay the price.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 12/26/2012 9:19 PM   
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Just so that you all know, we DO monitor threads like these. However, if a kit is out of production, we'd need to see several hundred different replies for a single item to be able to have enough of a level of confidence to re-introduce a kit. However, please be aware that some kits just won't be brought back because the condition of the tooling was such that it would not be economical to re-tool...those kits would basically need to be re-designed, re-tooled, and have all of the literature redone...not an inexpensive task unless we can be sure that sales will justify it. That's the problem with a lot of kits...they were well-liked by a very small number of modelers who bought one.


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