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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/18/2009 9:33 AM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/18/2009 10:35 AM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/22/2009 3:32 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/22/2009 5:23 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/22/2009 6:08 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/27/2009 9:15 AM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/27/2009 9:25 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/27/2009 9:57 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/28/2009 6:25 AM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/28/2009 9:30 AM   
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To me, even if they released just the plans and maybe hardware packs it would be a win for builders. I would be up for any of the above as plans or a kit. Would that be more doable Bax?


Hydro Junkie,

I have actually had this very conversation with Bax. He said that there would still be a lot involved with transfering the templates to the proper software and supplies, etc. Personally, I think this is the answer to the kit issues we face, but there still needs to be a market for the plans service. Bax told me that plans do not sell. This is where this thread comes into play.

I was very frustrated and giving up hope. Minnflyer jumped in and coached me into this direction based on the succesful petition to bring back the Ultra Sport. It can be done, and Bax has already said the Hobbico is monitoring this thread. The goal here is to re-issue the kits. However, should Hobbico prefer the plans service, I would not complain. But there are a lot more people that would probabaly prefer the kitting to be done for them. I think this option is the best to serve everybody at the moment. Besides, I have yet to see a Great Planes kit not offer great wood in their kits. It takes that work out of the equation.

So, we have to give Hobbico OVERWHELMING reason to re-issue these airplanes. I am asking everyone to throw in your desire to have these three kits. We can get them back. It only take a little effort and a commitment to purchase. 300 people is the goal. Tell everyone you know and have them sign up.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/28/2009 10:58 AM   
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Also, is there any other threads like this out there?

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/28/2009 8:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not buy ARFs. I never will. I want to know my airplane inside and out. It is important to me that I have a real investment in my airplanes, an attachment that would never come with an airplane that someone else built. I believe that the people involved in making these decisions about what to produce don't care what is good for the hobby that we all hold so dear. They care more about the migthy dollar, and how they can get more of them. It is put above all else. That is why RC airplanes are getting bigger and more expensive. The bigger the airplane, the bigger the profits. Do the right thing for a change. Bring back things of real value. Help us teach our kids and grandkids the value of building something with their hands, making it truely their own. Forget about making huge profits for a minute. I would buy kits of the Lanier Stinger, the Goldberg Extra, and the Goldberg Bucker Jungman. The list is as long as you want it to be.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/28/2009 9:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Put me down for a Jungmann.

As a side note, could we get commitments from hobby shops in our areas to order kits as part of the 300? My guess is that Hobbico needs our commitment for 300 in addition to anticipated sales to hobby shops.

Hmmm, which brings up the question of whether the previous Ultrasport deal was based on us buying direct? Let's keep the local shops in the loop somehow if we can. That's another whole can of worms I know. Sorry.



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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/29/2009 12:24 AM   
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Let's keep the local shops in the loop somehow if we can.


This is a GREAT idea. This would only help.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/29/2009 12:58 AM   
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To me, even if they released just the plans and maybe hardware packs it would be a win for builders. I would be up for any of the above as plans or a kit. Would that be more doable Bax?


Can't release just plans. Almost all kits don't have sufficient information on them to build the model. You'd have to do some of your own design work, so to speak, to create the parts not shown on the plans. Many times, only root ribs are shown on a tapered-wing plan, and not the full complement of ribs, so you'd have to loft the rest of the ribs on your own. Most fuselage bulkheads aren't shown. Many of the smaller parts aren't shown. You would not only have to be skilled at reading the plans, but also skilled at creating the parts you need by inferring their shapes from the plans.

So to release plans sets would require re-engineering the plans. Because people won't pay that much for plans, it would be very, very difficult for plans sets to sell at even a break-even pace.



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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/29/2009 1:08 AM   
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I believe that the people involved in making these decisions about what to produce don't care what is good for the hobby that we all hold so dear. They care more about the migthy dollar, and how they can get more of them. It is put above all else. That is why RC airplanes are getting bigger and more expensive. The bigger the airplane, the bigger the profits. Do the right thing for a change. Bring back things of real value. Help us teach our kids and grandkids the value of building something with their hands, making it truely their own. Forget about making huge profits for a minute. I would buy kits of the Lanier Stinger, the Goldberg Extra, and the Goldberg Bucker Jungman. The list is as long as you want it to be.


Yes, profits are a motive...but it's not about "huge profits", but "ANY profits". Profits make one able to keep a company in business. Profits pay back loans, pay salaries, pay for new R&D expenditures, and pay for investment in the future, and more. To get those profits, things must actually sell. We'll be glad to produce kits if people will buy them in enough quantities that the development, engineering, marketing, production, and support costs can all be met, with a little extra for the future.

What is "good for the hobby" is what modelers will buy. Plain and simple. There are not enough kit builders to enable companies like ours to offer a large and varied selection of kits, with new ones constantly under development. It's not like it was even ten years ago. You cannot support families with kit production any more. The small kit builders are either charging premium prices for their kits so that they can stay in business, or they are making kits more as a hobby than a business.




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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/29/2009 1:11 AM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/29/2009 2:18 AM   
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The small kit builders are either charging premium prices for their kits so that they can stay in business, or they are making kits more as a hobby than a business.


100% agree with everything you wrote. IMO it's a shame more people don't build, but it's reality and not much a company that needs to survive can do about it.

Talking about small kit makers, has GP ever though about licensing any of the designs to a small kit maker? Forums are a great place where modelers could organize a group buy, pay money to a kit builder up front, then have a run of short kits, plans and fiberglass or ABS parts made.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/29/2009 7:24 AM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/29/2009 7:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		BTW, I picked up a 68" Laser 200(yellow) from Seagull. Yea, it's an arf but its a very well built arf, so you Hobbico guys really have your hands full with how to deal with market forces. I enjoy a kit any time(Royal's the bomb) but I go where stuff is available. My .02 cents.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/29/2009 5:57 PM   
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Talking about small kit makers, has GP ever though about licensing any of the designs to a small kit maker? Forums are a great place where modelers could organize a group buy, pay money to a kit builder up front, then have a run of short kits, plans and fiberglass or ABS parts made.


This might work but the revenues would probably be too small for GP to mess with. Maybe a buyout of the kits by some kit cutter would work. The fact remains that many of us realize that "The Extra 300" is a very special airplane, rare in the hobby in that it performs extremely well. The GP Bucker Jungmann, well, any Bucker is a welcome sight for a Bucker lover because the pickings are so slim and because it's at the top in performance among all scale biplanes.

I've been a builder since starting the hobby in 1972. I have also bought a few ARF's and have been mostly disappointed. At this point in my life I would welcome either of these kits in a quality ARF. There are a lot of Extras out there as we well know so the competition there as an ARF would be tough. But the lack of good Bucker ARF's seems to me perfectly ripe for the taking by the introduction of the GB Jungmann in ARF form.

BAX, please share your thoughts on a Bucker Jungmann ARF.



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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/29/2009 10:26 PM   
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This might work but the revenues would probably be too small for GP to mess with.



The downside would be GP would have their name involved with something outside their complete control, and if it went south could put them in a bad light. On the other hand, even if it didn't make them much money it would surely generate some good will among model builders and lead to sales in other areas.

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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/30/2009 4:50 PM   
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This might work but the revenues would probably be too small for GP to mess with.



The downside would be GP would have their name involved with something outside their complete control, and if it went south could put them in a bad light. On the other hand, even if it didn't make them much money it would surely generate some good will among model builders and lead to sales in other areas.


Good point. Regarding the Extra I guess some kit cutter should just steal it then Some small changes could be made, like the bottom of the fuse that could be easily modified to be more scale. I wonder what GP would have to say about that if their name was not used?

I still think the market is begging for a Jungmann ARF. I would think that would be an easy thing for GP to do. Maybe BAX can shed some light on why it has not happened yet.


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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 8/30/2009 5:12 PM   
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RE: Help me convince Hobbico to reissue... - 9/8/2009 8:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bax from hobbico said they would have to retool but that is not true when they bought cg in 2007 everthing was set up to laser cut through cad so
they should be able to bring back kits somewhat easy. personaly i think they should bring back the staudacher s 300

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