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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 10/26/2011 8:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fantastic, Alf!

You must start flying your planes in the weekends so that the rest of the warbird-boys can watch.....??

I dont know why, but I like the Swordfish. Maybe it is the history behind it.

Somehow the idea of attacking a battleship with this stringbag in the English Channel, with Focke Wulfs from JG-26 lurking around,
and every single one of the 6 swordfish'es getting shot down....but they DID attack! It is fascinating.

You need to get that Torpedo, dropable, in place! A demonstration, video-filmed, would be fantastic.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Dash
http://asisbiz.com/Il2/Operation-Donnerkeil/pages/Fw-190A-JG26-2-during-Operation-Donnerkeil-Feb-1942-01.html



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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 10/26/2011 8:29 PM   
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Fantastic, Alf!

You must start flying your planes in the weekends so that the rest of the warbird-boys can watch.....??

I dont know why, but I like the Swordfish. Maybe it is the history behind it.

Somehow the idea of attacking a battleship with this stringbag in the English Channel, with Focke Wulfs from JG-26 lurking around,
and every single one of the 6 swordfish'es getting shot down....but they DID attack! It is fascinating.

You need to get that Torpedo, dropable, in place! A demonstration, video-filmed, would be fantastic.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Dash
http://asisbiz.com/Il2/Operation-Donnerkeil/pages/Fw-190A-JG26-2-during-Operation-Donnerkeil-Feb-1942-01.html




Since I do work 3 out of 4 weekends I guess that woud be a litlle to much for my familylife!

The Swordfish is a facinating plane and the bomb, wires, cockpit and other details will be added during this autumn.

New flights with videoshoot tomorrow :-)



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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 10/26/2011 9:02 PM   
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Hey guys! After being snowed in all winter I had plenty of time to work on my Swordfish. Thought I would share some picture's of the cockpit install I got from Ty. 

Where did you get your pilots from?

I need some for my Swordfish


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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 10/26/2011 10:49 PM   
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You should consider putting the flying wires in place. They are actually functional. If you take hold of the top wing by the tip, without the flying wires you can pivot the top wing on the single bolt in the middle. So it is possible to take off with the wing equal and end up with the top wing out of shape at end of flight. This may considerably change the way the model flies....

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 10/27/2011 6:36 PM   
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Maiden of my ESM Fairey Swordfish. All extra possible weight aft of CG was removed and servoes was moved upfront with batteries and switches under the tank in front. With the Laser 240V Twin I had to add approx 200g lead in the cowling. I made it a little fwd CG since the cockpit and pilots is not installed yet. This is a gentle lady and it flies very well.

Unfortunately one cylinder quitted in low altitude after a touch and go and I had to do a forced lading outside the field. Actual in a steep downhill without being able to see when it hit the ground....

But the model survived, only minor damage to the body and some bent undercarriage. The wings was structrally undamaged, only one hole in the skin.

Will be repaired and I will also add scalecockpit, pilots, tornado, flying wires etc during the winter.

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 10/29/2011 2:13 AM   
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I hope you like my latest effort. The new evolution 35cc radial fit this airplane perfectly, but does it have enough poop? Any thoughts?

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 1/12/2012 2:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys I know this thread Has not seen much action lately but. If anyone needs a set of these pilots for the Swordfish. I have some here . I they are hollow resin figures and weighs about 3-4 oz each...

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 1/12/2012 8:08 AM   
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Would these pilots fit as well your Ki-84 cockpit?
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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 1/13/2012 9:15 AM   
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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 1/13/2012 9:40 AM   
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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 3/11/2012 3:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I recently purchased a ESM P-51 D through Troy Built Models (TMB).  The package arrived in excellent condition with no damage.  However, after assembling the wing and tail section I noticed that the verticle stab was off center about 3/4 of an inch to the right when viewing from the rear of the plane.  Because the fuselarge is one fiberglass section when I mounted the horizontal stab and stood up the plane the entire section is off center with no way of adjusting it to be straight and true.  I called TBM and spoke with Bill who immediately told me it was not possible because all of the P-51's are built from the same mold.  That statement from a saleperson in Florida is discouraging to me.  He basically called me a lier.  I was able to convince Bill that I was not giving up on my service and quality of the product call so Bill referred me to an Expert name Patrick to discuss my issue.  Patrick told me that my issue was not unique or in other words I was not lying about the tail section being twisted from a defective "quality control process in China" that is obviously not checked when the products arrive at TBM.  Patrick told me to heat the fuslarge to soften the fiberglass, and place weight on the high side of the tail section (in this case on the left stab) and when the fiberglass softens it can be twisted to correct the problem.  I took this potential solution to my club and got very different opionions.  One of our club members (the most experianced with building and flying warbirds) told me to follow Patrick's advice as he has built ESM plans and he had to deal with other problems with the molded fuselarge not made correctly or poor quality regarding straightness.  Another club member told me that the paint job will be affected when I heat and then twist the tail section and the second problem is the plane will be weakened in the area of the heated section because fiberglass is strongest the first time it is manufactured and it gets weaker if it is made soft by heating and allowing it to reharden.

WHAT IN THE WORLD!

Can someone who has experiance share an opinion or sulution to the above.  I have an aviation background and I fly other airplanes (the is my first warbird).  I know if I put the bird up with a twisted tail section it will not fly properly if at all.  I would rather save my equipment and buy another warbird (this time checking it for straightness the day it arrives) then risk a disaster on maiden.  Has anyone else out there had similar experiances with ESM warbirds?    

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 3/11/2012 4:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		What probably happened was that the fuse was pulled from the mold still a little soft. This could cause the warpage. I would call TBM back and demand a new fuse. Tell them you will contact ESM directly and also ( please say you used a credit card to purchase it) If TBM won't fix the problem then go through your credit card Comapny and get your money back due to damaged or bad product.. You Should not have to fix TBM's/esm's problem. You bought a kit expecting a quality kit... BTW TBM does not inspect the models before they leave their warehouse...

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 3/11/2012 4:45 PM   
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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 10/17/2012 6:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I came into one of these after one of the members at our field had an accident with it, after spending some time getting it ready, I was able to put 3 flights on her last weekend.    I had a devil of a time with the c of g mostly as my balance would not fit a biplane of this size, today a friend came over and helped me.   It was rather comical trying to balance the thing upside down, and you guessed it, not really sure we did get it.   Using the right side up finger balance it looks like I might be a tad aft of the 130 mm and I did notice some pitch issue's during the 3 flights I put on her.    Reading though the thread it looks like I could add a bit of weight to the nose and I am looking for some opinions of where the  c of g should go.

Like Ty's mine is electric and powered by an E-Flite 160 on 10S with a pair of 5,000 mah packs.   Speed control is a  Castle HV80 and the prop is a MAS 3 blade 16X10.  For the first 3 flights I set the timer to 8 minutes and was putting about 3000 mah back in the packs.       A friend at the local hobby shop fabricated a custom motor mount that fits over the kits gas/glow mount, and also doubles as the battery tray, I will take some pictures and post.    The one feature's of the mount that I really like is that there is about half an inch of right, left and also a half inch of up and down adjustement at the back of the motor so centering the motor in the cowl it is rather easy.     I am going to use another on the front of the ESM p-39 that is on the bench beside me.  

Any center of gravity advise appreciated.

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 10/31/2012 10:53 PM   
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I'm sure glad I found this forum. So far it has been an interesting read. I'm still confused about the correct location of the cg. On all my ESM models it has always been about 1/2 to 3/4 inches ahead of the manual. Also some think the flying wires are structural and required I'm not sure what to think here. I had already decided the batteries need to go up in the cowling, only I decided to slide them in from the back side of the firewall via a hatch. I have reglasses the inside of the nose and installed an access hatch. The oil cooler will be fitted as a sliding lock. The hatch will also give me access to the radio gear without having to remove the wings. Well that's the plan any way. I bought a Rimfire 1.60 for power it has a slightly higher power capacity than the e-flite 160. Now I'm really glad to know the E-flite 160 is more than enough for this plane I was a bit worried. Anyway glad to be here and welcome all the advice I can get.


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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/14/2012 6:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread doesn't seem to be to active, but here goes anyway. I have just received several detailed cockpit photos of a MK II Swordfish that were taken from a Naval Museum aircraft. I would be happy to pass them along to anyone interested.



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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/14/2012 6:51 PM   
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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/14/2012 9:50 PM   
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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/15/2012 7:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since my airplane will be electric I decided to put my batteries as far forward as possible. I looked at TY's installation, but decided I didn't want to take parts off to change batteries and I wanted access to my electronics with out taking the lower wing off. I put a RotoZip bit in my dremmel tool and removed the fire wall about three quarters of an inch from the fuselage sides all the way around. I glassed several layers of glass cloth on the side where I planned to cut out a hatch. Next I installed the top half of the firewall using 1/4 ply. It was epoxied and screwed to the old firewall.

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/15/2012 8:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had to cut a little metal off the bottom of the motor mount so the batteries would slide forward. What surprised me a little was the motor itself prevented the batteries from going all the way forward. If necessary I can lower the battery tray by removing some of the forward fuselage and re glassing, but I think I'll finish building the plane and see where it balances before I get more radical. So far this has been a really straight forward conversion. I would be interested to know id TY added any lead to his nose.

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/15/2012 9:49 PM   
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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/15/2012 9:57 PM   
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I'm not sure how heavy your motor is, but it may be appropriate to get inside the forward fuselage and beef up the fire wall. I found it necessary and I don't have near the vibration potential the gas engines have. It just seemed too lightly built for such a big plane.

Also please post some pictures, there is nothing cooler than a radial.

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/19/2012 1:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Destroyer Sorru for the Delay. After my travels my son wound up in the hospital for some emergency surgery, he is home now and I was lucky enough to get out to the field today and to take some pictures of the Swordfish motor mount, that was fabricated.    

I saw your question to Ty and I am not sure if he answered, however I did see a post where he had the batteries in the cowl and mentioned that he had no extra weight added.    I like the look of what you have done and expect that you will be adding some weight to the nose of your bird.

Anyway this is what we did, as you can see the front is not the best from a scale perspective, the mount has straps for the batteries and uses the ESM engine mount.   The front has about a half inch of movement both horizontally and vertically this should make centering the motor a bit easier.    My current build is the ESM P-39 and I had another mount made so once its time to center the cowl,   I will let you know how it goes.

I would not worry about adding weight to yours, my motor battery prop combo cranks out a monstrous 1550 Watts, the plane weighs in at 21 pound for about 73 Watts/pound.    Amazingly is chugs along fine at just over half throttle.    So if you need to add some weight I would not be too overly concerned as the wings have lots of Lift.    Enjoy yours!  


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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/19/2012 4:51 AM   
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Hope your son is doing well. That is a very interesting and innovative motor mount. That's what I love about this hobby somebody's always building a a better mouse trap. I have figured out how to move my batteries as far forward as necessary. So that issue is solved.

What prop are you using?

I also have an ESM about 85% complete. I'll finish her after the Swordfish flys this plane has really captured my attention

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RE: ESM Fairey Swordfish - 11/19/2012 5:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Paul thanks for asking about my son and yes he is doing fine and will be back to normal soon.    

The mount is works very well and I am looking forward to installing it on the P-39, I will make a few posts on the p-39 thread.   

The prop is a MAS 16X10 not very good for speed but initial acceleration is pretty good and it pulls well at low speeds.

A 17 inch would most likely be better, but the 16X10 was sitting in a drawer, idle, so on it went.

Looking forward to hearing how your fly's mine is very stable and fly's scale like.

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