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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 4:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Ken, very sorry about your hand. On june 22 my RV4 was not all the way in the restaint. when the engine started it moved forward and i reached out to stop it . I took twelve hits, six looked like yours. I flew two weeks later. Thanks to the great guys at the field that helped me pack up and get to the hospital.Two months later my thumb is still numb. I hope you recover quickly.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 4:20 AM   
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Status: online 		I was very lucky. I actually got back out to the field this morning and was able to get some flights in. Thumb was a little stiff, but I was able to fly with no problems otherwise.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 4:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Shoot, I do the same thing. Taxi out, hit a bump and the engine stops or a bad touch and go. I go out with just a glow driver to restart. I'm not going to do that anymore. Sorry about the accident, and thanks for the warning. Yes let's all be careful when our props are spinning

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 4:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have yet to be bittin by a prop. I have been in the hobby for only a year though. I have seen 2 guys get bite, one was nothing, in fact he didnt even put anything over it. He was adjusting the needle valve and his knuckle got to close to the prop. The next guy was worse, he started his engine and I heard it all of a sudden stop like the prop hit sometin. I cant remember what happened nor did I ever see is finger. I did see the paper towel and after seeing the towel, I had to sit down. Everthing was going white and I was gettin dizzy . Only on rare occations do I ever start my engines alone ( I really want to fly). I'm the member who is usually the first guy at the field, so I set everything up and sit in my chair. I think this is the reason why I had yet to be bittin and plus I never reach around the prop and I like to paint the tips of the prop white. That MA prop moving at about 13,800 rpms becomes invisible. Hope it heals soon.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 6:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		been bit myself. saito 82 and a APC14x4.....breaking in the new engine second tank, 3500 rpms....7 strikes.....26 stitches in thumb and two fingers. index finger is still numb on the side. and that was maybe 6 weeks ago.
as soon as my hand moved i knew i had messed up, but couldnt stop the hand. just glad it was an APC and not MA....those bad boys are razor sharp.
did all this on my front patio. alone....lol....had to call the g/f and she was freaking out. can you add the medical bill to the cost of the new engine?.....caught a break tho, doctor recognized me from a prior employer, and sewed me up for cost of materials. and those tiny little suture sissors are VERY handy.
hope the hand heals well ken.


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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 6:20 AM   
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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 7:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I too just had to have 7 staples in my fore arm because i was dumb and reached over a razor sharp apc prop to remove my glow drive and dam if the prop didn't bite me, i got cut almost to the bone in my arm, so never reach over a spinning prop no mater how small or large it is to remove the flow driver, from now on i either have a helper or i go to the back side of the plane to remove the glow-driver

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 8:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry to hear about the accident Ken. Hope it heals quickly.

Having a look and reading through this thread it made me realise once again just how quickly something like that happens and how wrong we are doing it when me and my friend goes and flies one their farm. We don't restrain the planes. We simply hold the plane down with one hand and swing the prop with the other. We have never had an incident but it also doesn't mean it will never happen. I always used Evo props until I put an APC on about 2 months ago. Damn is that thing sharp. I cut my hand open just with priming the engine. When closing the carb with my finger - a part of my finger gets in the way of the prop. I have recently got a position to hold my hand without the prop 'slicing' me.

I do have a very dangerous and very very bad habit...when I start up my engine, sometimes at turns the wrong way and as soon as I start playing with the throttle I move away from infront of the plane to get to my radio. By doing this I need to hold the plane on the wing which is on the radio side. It has happened a couple of times where the plane jumped forward when the engine starting swinging the right way - the plane then rotates on the wing which I'm holding and this has almost caused the prop to bite me.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 8:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		All these years of flying RC I have never had any issues with props .... at the most its a very soft graze when tuning the engine and the person restraining the plane moves it! I have only been cut many times by stationary props!

Props can really cause massive damage ... guess the manuals always say: This is not a toy.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 2:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ken, I had heard you were going to the other event. I don't blame you. It sounds like a lot of fun. Glad you got to fly a little despite the hand. I'll bet the typing is a little slow.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 3:06 PM   
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Ken, you are to be commended for sharing this with everyone. Takes a stand-up guy to say "I screwed up, I paid for it, don't make the same mistake."

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, glad to hear you got back out this weekend and got some stick time in!

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 4:12 PM   
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Ok, a little followup. Just changed the dressings so I had a chance to take pictures of the quilting job the doc did on my hand.

Ken



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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 4:17 PM   
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Sorry to hear about the accident Ken. Hope it heals quickly.

Having a look and reading through this thread it made me realise once again just how quickly something like that happens and how wrong we are doing it when me and my friend goes and flies one their farm. We don't restrain the planes. We simply hold the plane down with one hand and swing the prop with the other. We have never had an incident but it also doesn't mean it will never happen. I always used Evo props until I put an APC on about 2 months ago. Damn is that thing sharp. I cut my hand open just with priming the engine. When closing the carb with my finger - a part of my finger gets in the way of the prop. I have recently got a position to hold my hand without the prop 'slicing' me.

I do have a very dangerous and very very bad habit...when I start up my engine, sometimes at turns the wrong way and as soon as I start playing with the throttle I move away from infront of the plane to get to my radio. By doing this I need to hold the plane on the wing which is on the radio side. It has happened a couple of times where the plane jumped forward when the engine starting swinging the right way - the plane then rotates on the wing which I'm holding and this has almost caused the prop to bite me.

A couple of accidents at our site involving lost fingers caused an outburst from the safety police.I built a starting restraint that's like a starting table, but can be pegged to the ground.
There's just no way that a model can get past it unless it pulls the wings off.



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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 4:23 PM   
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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 5:28 PM   
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I only say this because Ken and I are good friends...

You dumbass!






Love ya too Mike!!!!

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 5:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry to hear about the hand. I am still going to physical therapy to be able to bend my right index finger after a saito 91 started backwards and cut me through the knuckle 4 months ago. Same as you, my reflexes took over before my brain engaged.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 5:36 PM   
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Status: online 		Thank God for the RCU medical plan. I'm sure it covered all of your medical expenses and will reimburse you while off work. I might have stomped the plane ala Chad if it had done that to me. Remember Chad's hat dance? O'le! Heal quick buddy.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 5:42 PM   
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Ken...Sorry about your accident, glad there appears to be no long term damage to your hand.

I do have a question though.  I use a rig with a power panel.  Both my starter and my glow plug heater are hooked to it.  When starting, I always take extreme caution but still worry about my wires.  I usually set my box behind the prop hook up the plug, then using exaggerated arm motions bring the starter around to the front and get it going.  This though causes the starter wires to have to pass through the horizontal plane of the prop.  I'm always worried about them getting caught.  I'm thinking that a rechargeable heater is the better way to go because it would allow me to set the box in front of the prop and thus not have to worry about the wires, but that seems to defeat the convenience of power panel.  Any thoughts? 

Also, I've always tried to stay away from the aforementioned horizontal plane of the prop.  I've always figured that the biggest danger would come from the prop coming apart.  Your advice to stay away from the front of the prop makes perfect sense for obvious reasons.  I'll have to take that into consideration.



First, Ken, I am glad that there doesn't seem to be any permanent damage. And I, for one, thank you for posting pics. We ALL need to be reminded of the dangers that come with these planes.

The only person I wouldn't want to see this is my wife.

Formerbug, At our field, we use the starting stands. I have developed a routine in which the field box sits on the ground at the right front of the stand. I have extended the wires for my glow-plug leads so that I can route them behind the right-had restraint post. This way, the glow leads are held out of the way of the prop.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 5:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for posting this Ken. We all need to be reminded what can happen if we get lax...and we're all tempted to re-start our planes out there instead of pulling it back to the pitts. I know I have done this with my 50cc gasser recently when it was dead sticking. Not anymore though.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 6:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Four years ago I had an incident with an APC prop that opened up my forearm. End result was severed muscle and nerve. Two of my fingers are partially drawn and numb. I'm still flying planes but have a "healthy" respect / fear of props as a result. It only takes a second for something like this to happen. Hope you heal quickly.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 7:52 PM   
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heal up quick cause I'm gonna need your typing fingers soon, when I start my build thread!

I hate to see that man! get well soon!

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 8:24 PM   
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aaaaahh DANG Ken...

heal up quick cause I'm gonna need your typing fingers soon, when I start my build thread!

I hate to see that man! get well soon!

He only uses 2 fingers, he'll be OK.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 8:27 PM   
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When did he start with 2 fingers, it was always one. He uses the Columbus style, finds a key and lands on it.

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RE: Prop Safety, NEVER let your guard down. Warning: Bl... - 8/24/2009 8:34 PM   
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He uses the Columbus style, finds a key and lands on it.


... Oh wait ... that's what I do ... that's not funny.

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