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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/16/2009 8:23 AM   
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Doxilia.

Ok, OK, You've ALMOST talked me into it but I have to warn you and the rest of you faithfull thread followers, I give the word ''slow'' a whole new meaning.... Also, I bought my plane from rcpattern in the RCU Marketplace and it is already 80% done so there isn't alot of ''building'' left to do thankfully). It's mostly finishing, sanding and painting

Do you have any information or a web site for the Multicon Electric Retracts? I haven't heard of them before. I know Lado Technology now makes a nose gear electric retract with a stearing arm that can be either belly mounted or fire wall mounted, but I'm not too pleased with Lado at the moment.

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David,

Kraft Multicon retracts were the cool retracts back in the 80's (at least, certainly to me). They of course have long been discontinued. I was lucky enough to secure a couple of sets recently and although like other electric retracts they are a tad heavy, they are also very cool in operation. I guess the trick is to really build the model light so as to be able to end up with a reasonable AUW when using Multicons.

Let me see, I think I have a picture somewhere... Not very good but you get the idea. There are some old Kraft wheels on them which mate nicely. They work with an amp which is basically an armless servo that simply plugs into the Rx. You can run them off the radio pack or a separate one which is more secure.

I look forward to seeing the finish of your Illusion!

David.

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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/16/2009 8:31 AM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/16/2009 1:56 PM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/16/2009 6:37 PM   
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Here is another option on electric retracts. http://www.giezendanner-technik.ch/shop/shop/USER_ARTIKEL_HANDLING_AUFRUF.php?darstellen=1&Kategorie_ID=29&kat_last=29&PEPPERSESS=96ee20908b1b8785a7bf115f14d139b2&kat_aktiv=29



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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/16/2009 8:33 PM   
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You don't happen to have a set of the Kraft Multicon retracts sitting around collecting dust do you?????


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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/17/2009 2:20 AM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/22/2009 2:34 AM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/23/2009 8:13 PM   
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I'm glad you are going to be doing a build thread for the T2A. When funds become available, I'd like to order one from Dan as well, but I don't think I will have time to get around to it this winter. I have a NIB Rossi FI RE 61 and a pipe waiting for a home. What engine are you planning on putting in yours?


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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/23/2009 8:34 PM   
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Look for the thread around late Jan. to early Feb. I'm sure I'll have a number of questions for the pros during the build. Be advised that I'm a slow ( ! ) builder. Dan is sheeting the cores and installing the stab for me, plus a couple of other minor details.

Planned engine is a Jett 100LX F.I.R.E. Dan put a little extra carbon in the fuselage just to be on the safe side with this engine. Retracts will be Spring Airs. Servos are undecided as yet since JR is discontinuing the SA line. I may go ahead and order the gearsets for these while they're still available and convert the metal gear versions to SA.



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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/23/2009 8:45 PM   
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Keep us updated on the gear installation, David.

Vince

Sure thing Vince.

There isn't much to it really other than the need to be careful in the prep of the cores since the opening required for these beasts is substantial compared to using pneumatics or mechanicals. The 1/4" ply gear plates are held into the wing core with six wood dowels and bonded in with poly glue (Gorilla). The wells are laminated with 1/64" ply all around.

I will be working on a second Tipo wing this winter and if there's interest, I could post the usual gear installation details. The trickiest part of this gear is getting the nose gear installed and the steering linked in glass fuses as they are large and require some thought in order to avoid making a gaping hole in the bottom. There is no way to actually get the nose gear in place (in glass fuses) without making an opening in the bottom to pass the actual gear. The photo shows the installation of the nose gear in its plastic FW box mount which provides some foam padding to reduce vibration from the engine. It is also possible to install the NG much like the MG using metal flanges and mounting it to the tank plate. This does reduce the size of the opening required as the gear can be installed via the wing saddle and screwed down flat from the underside. In the Tipo though, the tank plate is a piece of 1/16" ply which is not exactly structural so I preferred to install it with its dampening FW mount.

Access to the steering linkage is rather tricky and I haven't actually entirely figured out how that will be done. Some shots of the basic fuse gear installation. Servo's shown include a dedicated steering servo (mini), throttle, P-P rudder and FG shaft elevator mounted sideways for linear action along the fuse C/L. Note the need for a low profile elevator servo in this configuration. A Futaba 9551 in this case - nice servo! BTW, the throttle linkage, when using these retracts, passes nicely through one of the mount holes for the NG box mount. The tank plate is installed just above both the steering and the throttle linkage and rests and aligns nicely on the FG reinforcing strips along the fuse sides (early vintage Tipo fuse).

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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/14/2011 2:39 AM   
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For my part, I hope to finish up the aforementioned Tipo (shameful to have it more than two years in the build process - at least now it's painted ), do some covering on airframes that are built, finish a kit built Calypso and perhaps start a new build to keep the excitement up. I'm considering putting together a Matt Saphir ARC so that it can be flown and so that it can be removed from my shop! That beast is large.

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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/14/2011 3:49 PM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/14/2011 4:52 PM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/14/2011 10:36 PM   
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Deception looks good !!!

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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/14/2011 10:52 PM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/14/2011 11:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Flys very nicely too. Landing gear is a little too stiff for smooth landings... gotta fix that.

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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/14/2011 11:38 PM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/15/2011 12:52 AM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/15/2011 1:44 AM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/15/2011 5:07 AM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 12/15/2011 11:46 AM   
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This Deception is, without a doubt in my mind, the best flying classic pattern airplane I have ever flown (and that list is fairly long). That said, I still have a lot of work to do to improve my piloting skill.

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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/16/2012 2:38 AM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/16/2012 7:47 AM   
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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/16/2012 10:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm actually "rebuilding" the Deception you see a couple of threads above. It was lost due to engine failure and pilot error. Stalled the airplane trying to get back to runway. I salvaged the wing, tail, and canopy, and I'm building a new fuselage. I'm also working on a very old partially built J&J original Troublemaker that another flyer gave me. The Troublemaker is the first airplane that I ever competed with back in 1974. Nostalgia at work here. Meanwhile the very old Tipo that I started in the early 80's is still waiting for some attention. The photo is my 1974 Troublemaker.

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RE: Watcha building this winter?? - 11/16/2012 8:59 PM   
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