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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 7:30 PM   
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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 7:33 PM   
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The Engine , engine low view , cowl and pitts and noose ready !



'how does the auto glow work? you connect it to a spare channel?

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 8:03 PM   
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The Engine , engine low view , cowl and pitts and noose ready !



'how does the auto glow work? you connect it to a spare channel?



Well ...

If you connect it at a spare channel , it will act only when switch is "on" , or you can only press that little button at the pannel , and the starter will glow "on" for 10 seconds ...

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 9:05 PM   
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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 10:30 PM   
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My Revolver also has that problem.  So I installed flapps.  They work great, and with no loss of roll rate.


looks like you cut about an inch off of each wing tip too huh?  see any performance increase?  maybe that's why its rolls fast with less aileron (not that these would roll slowly with a good amount of throw)



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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 10:49 PM   
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Well , I will show my assembly ...

This is how the throtle servo and Auto Glo System where assembled .


Build's lookin clean man!

The downside to the Rev's slicks looks is that nothing cool fits under the cowl! HAHAHAHA!  At least the DLE 20 only hangs out the bottom, so it's not too bad.


Also, I like you custom "conduit intake"!!!!




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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 10:58 PM   
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the dle 20 has a #4 ignition and my 30 has a #3... i put a spare stock DLE55 ignition on my 20 and timed it at 28 degrees....Now i dont have that funky idle jump... it never really bothered me much, i just thought WTH ill use my spare IGN on it

The DLE 20 came factory timed at 40 degrees

they have them for 50 bucks http://www.shop.kavarootusa.com/product.sc?productId=12


Are you able to adjust timing on the Ign? Can we run a little more and use some C12 from VP (108 oct).....




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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 11:39 PM   
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Well , I will show my assembly ...

This is how the throtle servo and Auto Glo System where assembled .


Build's lookin clean man!

The downside to the Rev's slicks looks is that nothing cool fits under the cowl! HAHAHAHA!  At least the DLE 20 only hangs out the bottom, so it's not too bad.


Also, I like you custom ''conduit intake''!!!!




I was seaching for a perfect in line air intake , but couldnt find it , so that conduit will help to increase air admission , could be helpfull. Personally I think that many little changes , but efficient ones , can , at final results , give us at last 15% or 25% more performance , and if just your brain knows it , it could give you mental advantage . I lear, this , and got this thought to my life , when I decided to be a Sport Shooter , and I lerned it at its best when I start long range rifle shooting.

Me and my brain thinks that this intake could help us ...

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 11:42 PM   
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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/12/2012 11:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Starting the Dual Tail servo modd , and it seems to be reasonbly easy , but i am afraid of it ... the shape of the new servo support seems nice .

The second pic . shows me that in this new model we do not need tail reinforcement for the tail landing gear , just becouse i find an 1" wood forming all tail base , its a big wood , Am I correct ?

And finnaly the first (left one) tail servo pannel and re-structure glued with epoxi , piece of cake !

But I'am afraid off modifing the tubes places , I try to remove one off , and one rib has cracked ( fixxed yet ) ...

Mach2 , is there any tip to do this surgery ?





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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 12:03 AM   
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You are on the right track with the servo mods. Two approaches - the lite ply, as you have done, or balsa beams, as I and others have done. I don't think there is much weight difference.

If the tubes are empty, just cut them off at the former on both sides. On my airframe, they were very solidly glued in place, so there is a small part of the tube left in the former.


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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 12:25 AM   
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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 12:46 AM   
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the dle 20 has a #4 ignition and my 30 has a #3... i put a spare stock DLE55 ignition on my 20 and timed it at 28 degrees....Now i dont have that funky idle jump... it never really bothered me much, i just thought WTH ill use my spare IGN on it

The DLE 20 came factory timed at 40 degrees

they have them for 50 bucks http://www.shop.kavarootusa.com/product.sc?productId=12


Are you able to adjust timing on the Ign? Can we run a little more and use some C12 from VP (108 oct).....



unfortunately no.... but i did shift the Hall sensor over a bit to get at 28 deg.... actually i had to modify it slightly to get enough sliding room...

c-12 sounds good!

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 12:48 AM   
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Starting the Dual Tail servo modd , and it seems to be reasonbly easy , but i am afraid of it ... the shape of the new servo support seems nice .

The second pic . shows me that in this new model we do not need tail reinforcement for the tail landing gear , just becouse i find an 1'' wood forming all tail base , its a big wood , Am I correct ?

And finnaly the first (left one) tail servo pannel and re-structure glued with epoxi , piece of cake !

But I'am afraid off modifing the tubes places , I try to remove one off , and one rib has cracked ( fixxed yet ) ...

Mach2 , is there any tip to do this surgery ?






try to leave the tube guides in place.... it will be perfect if you decide to do a pull pull on the rudder

very neat work by the way.... its interesting to see how others work...each one is unique and it works

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 1:23 AM   
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and I will do the pull-pull !! leave ithe tubes as they are ?

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 1:24 AM   
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You are on the right track with the servo mods. Two approaches - the lite ply, as you have done, or balsa beams, as I and others have done. I don't think there is much weight difference.

If the tubes are empty, just cut them off at the former on both sides. On my airframe, they were very solidly glued in place, so there is a small part of the tube left in the former.




For pull-pull system ... cut them off or leave it ?

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 2:15 AM   
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Well , I will show my assembly ...

This is how the throtle servo and Auto Glo System where assembled .


Build's lookin clean man!

The downside to the Rev's slicks looks is that nothing cool fits under the cowl! HAHAHAHA!  At least the DLE 20 only hangs out the bottom, so it's not too bad.


Also, I like you custom ''conduit intake''!!!!




I was seaching for a perfect in line air intake , but couldnt find it , so that conduit will help to increase air admission , could be helpfull. Personally I think that many little changes , but efficient ones , can , at final results , give us at last 15% or 25% more performance , and if just your brain knows it , it could give you mental advantage . I lear, this , and got this thought to my life , when I decided to be a Sport Shooter , and I lerned it at its best when I start long range rifle shooting.

Me and my brain thinks that this intake could help us ...


I think it will definitely get more air into the carb. Its better that it sucking it in while the air passes over the opening. Did you glue it on?

By the way, i am a bit of a rifleman myself. I just like doing long range varmint shooting. My farthest hit on a ground squirrel is 720 yards. I "cheat" a little bit though. I shoot from a bi-pod and and a rear bag filled with lead shot. My varmint rifles are a 223, 22-250 and a custom built rem 700 in 6mmBR. The other two are just factory rifles with some cutsom touches on them. Triggers, bedding and stuff like that. I use a rifle basix trigger on my 223 savage, and i use Jewel triggers in my Remingtons. I keep all my triggers the same pull (14 oz.). I also handload all my ammo to get the best accuracy out of them.

Do you shoot highpower, benchrest, F-class???



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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 2:25 AM   
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Mach2 , is there any tip to do this surgery ?






Hey ICE, this is my first build so these other guys are the real sourse for good help. you are better at building than me im sure. I have decided that im gonna hold off on the dual elev. servos till later.  Im just doing the basics to get her flying. Plus im not an advaced pilot (hell, im probably not even intermediate!) so i wont be flying this thing to half of its capabilities.

These dudes on here like wjcalhou, microdon and metallicajunkie have awesome information that they are willing to share!

Thanks again fellas!



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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 2:38 AM   
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the dle 20 has a #4 ignition and my 30 has a #3... i put a spare stock DLE55 ignition on my 20 and timed it at 28 degrees....Now i dont have that funky idle jump... it never really bothered me much, i just thought WTH ill use my spare IGN on it

The DLE 20 came factory timed at 40 degrees

they have them for 50 bucks http://www.shop.kavarootusa.com/product.sc?productId=12


Are you able to adjust timing on the Ign?www.rcuniverse.com="" forum="" js="" fckeditor="" editor="" images="" smiley="" msn="" /> Can we run a little more and use some C12 from VP (108 oct).....www.rcuniverse.com="" forum="" js="" fckeditor="" editor="" images="" smiley="" msn="" />www.rcuniverse.com="" forum="" js="" fckeditor="" editor="" images="" smiley="" msn="" />www.rcuniverse.com="" forum="" js="" fckeditor="" editor="" images="" smiley="" msn="" />



unfortunately no.... but i did shift the Hall sensor over a bit to get at 28 deg.... actually i had to modify it slightly to get enough sliding room...

c-12 sounds good!


Oh shnaps! I'm a gearhead and didnt even think about shifting the the sensor over. Thats a good idea. how far did you move it? Or how did you figure out just how many degrees you moved it?  Its a small diameter. Not quite like using a timing wheel on a V8. And how did you know what the stock timing was set at?

It probably wont add much power since the "tuning" is "as is" with the DLE20 (and they only recommend 87-93 octane), but im running 100 octane Sunoco (i used to run it in my 96 camaro SS when i had the blower and methanol injection on it).

I guess its kinda like my buddy who used to run premium fuel in his Chevy avalanche with a stock tune. I used to tell him that he is throwing his money away, but he swore that he got better fuel mileage HAHAHA!

Thanks!




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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 2:46 AM   
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And this is my first build too !!

About rifles....

I love 22-250 , and .223 ...

I shoot a FMJ , 162g boat tail .308 Winchester , is a Open Class Rifle , and my trainning target is a 6 inches ( a balloon) at 1.000 meters , with a 4 inches group in 10 shoots .
My Sniper Rifle is a Custom made German Mauser , with titanium lockout firing pin , Cryogenic 30" bull barrel (7,5 kg ) 10:1 twist , Timney trigger , the aimimng systems are a Mapped Burris 36x Benchrest Scope and a 1200 yards laser green dot with triger action , all glass bedded in a wood basically PSG stock and a Haris bipod and steel pin at the rear , all assembly with a torquimeter and got the weight off 13kg , so I only shoot with bipod . Standing up is impossible . I shoot only this rifle , and this is one off three things I do better in my life . I love tho explod ballons...

Some day I will find some mini rocket system to install in my rc airplanes ... will be a must

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 2:55 AM   
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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 3:13 AM   
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You are on the right track with the servo mods. Two approaches - the lite ply, as you have done, or balsa beams, as I and others have done. I don't think there is much weight difference.

If the tubes are empty, just cut them off at the former on both sides. On my airframe, they were very solidly glued in place, so there is a small part of the tube left in the former.




For pull-pull system ... cut them off or leave it ?

i used them for my pull pull... i used the antena tube and the rudder tube... and if you cut them its no biggie, based on your abilities im sure you can work around it

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 3:19 AM   
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the dle 20 has a #4 ignition and my 30 has a #3... i put a spare stock DLE55 ignition on my 20 and timed it at 28 degrees....Now i dont have that funky idle jump... it never really bothered me much, i just thought WTH ill use my spare IGN on it

The DLE 20 came factory timed at 40 degrees

they have them for 50 bucks http://www.shop.kavarootusa.com/product.sc?productId=12


Are you able to adjust timing on the Ign?www.rcuniverse.com='''' forum='''' js='''' fckeditor='''' editor='''' images='''' smiley='''' msn='''' /> Can we run a little more and use some C12 from VP (108 oct).....www.rcuniverse.com='''' forum='''' js='''' fckeditor='''' editor='''' images='''' smiley='''' msn='''' />www.rcuniverse.com='''' forum='''' js='''' fckeditor='''' editor='''' images='''' smiley='''' msn='''' />www.rcuniverse.com='''' forum='''' js='''' fckeditor='''' editor='''' images='''' smiley='''' msn='''' />



unfortunately no.... but i did shift the Hall sensor over a bit to get at 28 deg.... actually i had to modify it slightly to get enough sliding room...

c-12 sounds good!


Oh shnaps! I'm a gearhead and didnt even think about shifting the the sensor over. Thats a good idea. how far did you move it? Or how did you figure out just how many degrees you moved it?  Its a small diameter. Not quite like using a timing wheel on a V8. And how did you know what the stock timing was set at?

It probably wont add much power since the ''tuning'' is ''as is'' with the DLE20 (and they only recommend 87-93 octane), but im running 100 octane Sunoco (i used to run it in my 96 camaro SS when i had the blower and methanol injection on it).

I guess its kinda like my buddy who used to run premium fuel in his Chevy avalanche with a stock tune. I used to tell him that he is throwing his money away, but he swore that he got better fuel mileage HAHAHA!

Thanks!



hehe................i find top dead center, then use a degree wheel this video is helpful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0fvY210-Fo

this is useful too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBXFpxWg7vY&list=FL7zQ69qsMN8hcvcjs_khPDA&index=136&feature=plpp_video

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 4:53 AM   
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Maiden flight today for mine.  Finished it a while back but weather ,work etc got in the way.

Engine is a DLE 20 , standard servo locations in the centre with dual elevator servos. 

Given how much fuel the DLE engines uses, it will take sometime work through 5 litres for breakin.

Great model and flies well. I found the controls a bit "soft" , possibly because I have too much expo.  Everyone was impressed. I did notice the delay to idle but no great drama with it.

Initial start was a challenge as the engine was bone dry of fuel. Ended up putting a little in the cylinder to get fuel flow started. This was hint from two long term gasser pilots who dabble in IMAC.

If the weather holds , back to the field tomorrow, and the next day.

Has anyone here flown the smaller version as an electric ?

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RE: Larger Revolver - 1/13/2012 6:18 AM   
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