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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/1/2012 3:57 PM   
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Luchnia is right!! With the OS 55AX up front she is a beast!!! I have the same set-up and the first few flight on her, I flew at half throttle until I got use to it. Now full throttle all day long!!! On the 59 Revolver, you do have to work to get it to slow for landing!! You will love it, I know I do!!!
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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/1/2012 6:49 PM   
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Well, just bit the bullet and a Revolver-59 will be on my work bench shortly. This will by my third one as I already have two R-70's, but I could not resist the offers from Tower Hobbies.

Tower is presently offering FREE shipping on the Revolver and the OS AX .55
Tower has reduced the price of the OS down $30.00.
And finally by using one of Towers coupons, it took another $35.00 off of the package.

Free Shipping / $30.00 off of engine / $35.00 off of combo = $75.00 savings.

I would have to say, not bad.


Keep in mind when you fly the Rev 59 that it is very spirited and has little in common with its big brother. It can be quite a handful in many aspects of flight. I learned that the hard way early on


More spirited than a Shoestring with and OS .60 ? A Little Toni with a Saito .91 ? CAP 232 with a OS 1.60 ? Extra 300 with a DLE-20 ? Just a few named models in my present day hangar.

I feel that you can always knock some of the spirit out of any plane by reducing the throws and reducing the EXPO. But thank you for the warning and advise. I usually cut back on all controls until I find what the airplane will do, or better yet, what I can do with the airplane.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/2/2012 3:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		The 59 was a handfull for me, also. 59 vs 70, is like a Corvette compared to a Malibu. I wonder if it is the wing loading. I found it to be a real handful, but fast and fun, as long as you stay ahead of it.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/2/2012 3:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely, completely different planes. The 59 is fast, agile, and difficult to land. The 70 is the beauty, 59 the beast

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/2/2012 3:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Beauty and the Beast" - LIKE IT! Though I do think both planes are beautiful. Yep, the 59 is quicker, jumpier, easier (much!) to tip-stall. I crashed a few before I learned the planes' flight envelopes. But don't worry - after the 4th or so Rev 59 it gets easier.

Actually, I was a nube at the time. I'd think most experienced pilots would not have a problem with the 59, as long as they don't expect it to be as tame as the 70.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/2/2012 7:53 AM   
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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/2/2012 10:46 AM   
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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/2/2012 11:18 AM   
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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/2/2012 1:03 PM   
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What's your vote for 'best engine in the world for the 70'' Revolver?

XYZ 20cc from

http://www.valleyviewrc.com/estore/gas-engines/xyz.html

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/2/2012 1:06 PM   
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What's your vote for 'best engine in the world for the 70'' Revolver?

XYZ 20cc from

http://www.valleyviewrc.com/estore/gas-engines/xyz.html


plus an additional 10% by Dec 31 woohoo ! plus all mufflers and aftermarket parts that fit the DLE 20 will fit the XYZ 20.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/2/2012 6:25 PM   
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What's your vote for 'best engine in the world for the 70'' Revolver?


Well, I just finished putting a DLE-20 into my second R-70. Almost beleive it is the perfect combo. ALMOST !!!!
Still waiting to hear any reports of somebody putting an " OS GT 22 " into a R-70. Have not heard of anybody doing this combo, but hoping that somebody will do it soon and get a report back to us.

But, getting back to the original question. My first R-70 does fly real nice with its Saito .91

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/3/2012 1:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can get the XYZ 20cc for $162 then with the 10% discount until Dec. 31 at VV. What a steal of a deal. I might get another one.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/4/2012 12:04 AM   
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You can get the XYZ 20cc for $162 then with the 10% discount until Dec. 31 at VV. What a steal of a deal. I might get another one.


With what 10% discount ? If so inexpensive, why not just buy two and send me one !

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/4/2012 5:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Look on the VV web site. Somethin about a 10 % discount on everything until Dec. 31st. Okay, send me your address and a couple hunert extra for shipping.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/4/2012 11:08 PM   
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Look on the VV web site. Somethin about a 10 % discount on everything until Dec. 31st. Okay, send me your address and a couple hunert extra for shipping.


Ernie,

The check is in the mail. I know a good deal when I see one !

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 2:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finally decided to convert to e-power. After several failed attempts at getting my IC engine to run correctly I've given up. The last couple of weeks has been spent researching electric motor options. I'll be getting an EMAX 4030BL ( think that was the model number) and a HobbyKing ESC. I've already got a bunch of 6s batteries so I should be in good shape there. There is a chance I might even be converting my 30cc Sbach to electric. My last flight with the Sbach was a dead stick landing that ended with my landing gear being ripped out which did a fair amount of damage to the fuse. Pilot RC offers FREE replacement laser cut wood to fix the damage! All I have to do is pay for the shipping. The dead stick my have been my own dumb fault though. I might have run out of power in the ignition battery. I need to check the charge on it to see if the dead stick was my fault. If so, I might keep it a gasser.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 3:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		RE: running out of power on the ign. battery? That causing the engine to quit completely not likely. When the ign. batt gets low, they get weird, but they don't shut the ign power off. They'll almost always idle at least! Usually allow for like 1/4 throttle? When you try to power up beyond 1/4 is when you'll see it messing with you, acting for all the world like it's running out of gas? FWIW...

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 3:30 AM   
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RE: running out of power on the ign. battery? That causing the engine to quit completely not likely. When the ign. batt gets low, they get weird, but they don't shut the ign power off. They'll almost always idle at least! Usually allow for like 1/4 throttle? When you try to power up beyond 1/4 is when you'll see it messing with you, acting for all the world like it's running out of gas? FWIW...

Good luck on the electric conversion!
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Just checked the battery about an hour ago. It was nearly fully charged.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 3:42 AM   
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Sorry to hear of your IC troubles.
As Al said, low ign battery generally presents as missing with advancing throttle, or failure to rev up. Not usually a dead stick. That sounds like fuel delivery or metering. Engine too lean, leaks in fuel delivery. If you are having trouble with all your gassers, maybe you should check with a gas-knowledgable pilot at your field to check things out. My experience with gasoline has been extremely positive. My glow engines are reliable as clockwork.


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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 3:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		SBach- Is that a DLE 30 in your Sbach? Has this engine ever run properly? Were you at idle when it died? I do love gassers, but that have lots of moving parts (with the carb) and can be a pain to troubleshoot engine problems. Just checking - did you look at - high speed too lean, vacuum leak (hoses, loose carb, hose off inside tank, fueling port leak, carb rebuild needed, etc). Also I was told on the DLE 20 and 30 the reed block does not sit exactly flush, making low end idle rough, if possible at all. This can be fixed by sanding it on a piece of glass. In the meantime I use a higher idle while in the air, then cut that before landing. Just some thoughts.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 3:53 AM   
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Mike is right - many 'moving parts' with gas, which is why i do suggest that you get with a knowlegable gas flier; too little information from what you write to make a real diagnosis. it has to be setup or tuning, because these engines have been pretty reliable for most of us.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 4:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		It had been running fine for about two dozen flights. No dead sticks at all. I run telemetry on the Sbach and there were no temp issues. I've heard of people having problems with the ignition module. The Revolver on the other hand sat for over a year w/o being run. I had several people look at the engine. I even tried a new carb in it. I've got three other planes that are electric. A 41" Edge, a 48" MXS, and a 60" Extra 300. Never a single problem. Plug in the battery and go. No tuning. No mess. No clothing stains. Better throttle response. Shorter flight times for sure. I have completely given up on the 30cc...but I'm close. Any plane under 30cc will definitely be electric from now on. 30cc and above get expensive and really starts getting limited flight times. 30cc is kinda on the fence. One of the guys in my club has been flying for around 40 years. He converted to all electric a couple of years ago for the same reasons....reliability. It will be nice to get the Revolver in the air again soon.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 5:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sbach - Might I suggest starting a discussion thread here on RCU on your specific engine and the problem you're having. No doubt you'll get valuable feedback from people who have years of experience. The fix might be simple, just something you haven't tried yet And are you also having problems with the gasser \ nitro engine on your Rev 70? If that's a gasser it may be the same issue. If it's a nitro engine then it's probably tubing or tuning. Nitro engines (as you know) are much simpler and easier to tune. If it's a four-stroke nitro then it could be your valves need to be adjusted. I just did that for my OS 1204s - it was way out of spec - and MAN did it make a difference! The engine was running VERY rough before (after it had run fine for a while) but now, after adjusting, its' got almost double the power! Or it could be as simple as you need a new glow-plug. Or your fuel filters are clogged (goes for gas or nitro).

On the gas side, are you comfortable taking the carb apart and inspecting? If not, try it - they're not that complicated. Could be as simple as gunk or grit clogging the strainer. Or you may need a rebuild kit, where you replace the pump membrane. I've heard that the Ethanol in gas dries these out, so they should be replaced every year or so.

I know electrics have some advantages. But I'm one who loves the reality of having a working combustion engine under the hood.

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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 12:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know you've had your problems, but regarding this thing quitting, I'm just wondering if have you taken into account that the cooler temps this time of year will require a carb adjustment? Even if it was running perfectly when it was warmer, even if there isn't a darn thing wrong with it? The cooler air is much more dense, requiring more fuel to burn properly. Not a lot more fuel, but enough to where it may cause you headaches just like this one....
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RE: Larger Revolver - 12/6/2012 8:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've already opened and cleaned the carb on the DLE-30. The fuel filter was clear so no issues there. It was in the mid 70's when the engine died on me. It was probably in the low 80's the last time I had tuned it. It has an optical kill switch but it is on a dial so it is hard to accidentally hit. Idle was around 2600 RPMs and WOT throttle was close to 8000. Temperature seems to stay around 265F. Transition from low to high or high to low was smooth. It is a bit baffling considering how long it had been running w/o issues. Even if I get it running again I don't know if I can trust it. I've got close to $1500 in that plane. My electrics have never failed me. The only reason I'm even considering keeping the DLE-30 is cost. It will be around $350 to switch to electric.

The Revolver is definitely getting converted. It's currently nitro and switch to electric is only $100 because I already have batteries that will work with it. I simply don't have the patience to troubleshoot the Super Tiger 60 any more. Three other people have already looked at for an hour each. No dice. Electric conversion will only take an hour and there is no tuning involved! It will simply work.

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