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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/11/2009 4:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info. I was wondering how I can tell if and where the windows direct x pixel shader could be found and to determine what version is loaded on my system. I believe I meet all the criteria for G5.0, so I may just wait a little longer and shell out the extra dough and get the latest version.

intel pentium 4 3.20 ghz processor.
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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/11/2009 7:06 PM   
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I have read through the threads and I am pondering whether or not to upgrade from G3.5 to G5.
The PC I have should be able to handle the hardware requirements.

The question for me is if the physics of the program, has it improved that much over G3.5. For example, I would like more of a realistic drag on the plane on take-off and landing depending on the environment/airport you choose.

I’d like to know your thoughts pretty quickly as my $10 off my next order from Tower expires tomorrow.

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/11/2009 8:31 PM   
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Of course then there are those other sims that don't charge anything for their upgrades.



Back on topic?

It is easy to confuse "patches" with NEW VERSIONS & Revisions... name a sim that does not charge for a complete new revision? ( I KNOW you've been waiting for this question! ).


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Then there's the additional need to upgrade your existing computer system if you want to go from G3.5 to G5.0.



Only for those systems that did not meet the original median requirements for G3.5, which has been said time and again, though some people seem to PURPOSELY miss.

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You can read on the KE site about those people who have upgraded their systems and gone to G5.0. Some are just amazed.


Yup a lot of happy campers.

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Others seem to think that the planes flew better in G3.5 ... amazing ...



There is no accounting for subjective observations without a scientific analysis.

Of course some of those same "user created" planes were specifically made for G3.5.

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But seriously. Those looking for the latest and greatest in R/C sim technology should find that G5.0 or the upgrade to G5.0 will fit their needs.



Here we agree. Latest and greatest indeed, at least for the moment.

And that upcoming upgrade for Aerofly ( which WILL cost MORE than the G5 upgrade it seems ) looks pretty good so far.

I guess I'll be shelling out my cash for that too... so SHAMEFUL of Aerofly to charge for that, isn't it?


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eventually you may be able to find a multiplayer session that's not filled with twelve year olds shooting at anything that flies ... eventually(?)


You should really look. There are plenty of those if you choose the right time.




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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/11/2009 8:39 PM   
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Thanks for the info. I was wondering how I can tell if and where the windows direct x pixel shader could be found and to determine what version is loaded on my system. I believe I meet all the criteria for G5.0, so I may just wait a little longer and shell out the extra dough and get the latest version.

intel pentium 4 3.20 ghz processor.
160 gb of hard disk.
1 gig of ram (Can be upgraded if need be).
Radeon X300 se graphics board with128mb hyper memory.

Thanks again


This info is usually found on the manufacturer's web site.

However see here: Click me!

FYI: That is a somewhat DX9 compliant card, but it is NOT DX10 compatible.

It's a pretty low end card with Pixel shader 2.0 ( not 2.1 ) support. It also uses a shared memory scheme which is sub-par for 3D graphics and games.

Will the program run?

Sure, but you are better off upgrading for many reasons.





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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/11/2009 9:12 PM   
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Hey everyone,

I have read through the threads and I am pondering whether or not to upgrade from G3.5 to G5.
The PC I have should be able to handle the hardware requirements.

The question for me is if the physics of the program, has it improved that much over G3.5. For example, I would like more of a realistic drag on the plane on take-off and landing depending on the environment/airport you choose.

I’d like to know your thoughts pretty quickly as my $10 off my next order from Tower expires tomorrow.

Thanks all.



There was a step up in the physics after 3.5. The most obvious step was the bumpy ground, but landings and takeoffs got a bit more realistic too.

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/11/2009 9:18 PM   
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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 12:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi opjose, looking at your postings here in RCU and in the Knife Edge support forum, where the language and technical knowledge seem to reflect that of a company representative, I would like to know if you are a representative of Knife Edge?

The required transparency by vendors and its representatives is in line with RCU policy as stipulated in the RCU community rules http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_377662/tm.htm as per below:

As per the RCU disclosure requirement, if you are a manufacturer, vendor, sponsored representative, retailer or the like for an r/c related company or product you must specifically identify yourself and the particular affiliation in your signature. Any member affiliated with a company not identifying themselves as such is at risk of revocation from RCU.

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 3:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay so the program will "RUN", but not as well as intended. So now I gotta go spend another 100 bucks on a better graphics card to run the program. Which in turn , I will end up spending another 50-100 bucks to upgrade something else that will be sub par after the graphics card upgrade. No thanks!!! WHAT A PAIN IN THE BUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's kind of discouraging really. I already have basic flying skills, so RF BASIC will probably not be satisfactory for long. G3.5 Will probably not be realistic enough with it's older Physics engine, that I will notice the difference, especially since like many other's, I have been flying the sim at the LHS whenever I stop in.

It's another example of waste if you ask me. Give a programmer more storage and memory available to them and rather than find a way to use it sparingly and efficiently they will gobble it up and cause those end users problems with their older systems. Whatever happened to backwards compatible?

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 4:09 AM   
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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 6:43 AM   
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IMHO G4 was the best, least problematic version of RF. I do believe that the several ''releases'' of G4.5 as well as the large number of unhappy of users that KE permanently banned from their site (and RCgroups forums as well) indicate an unpolished product sold by what seems to be currently unethical (IMHO) controlling persons.


Maybe if we listed who those banned users were, things would be a bit more self evident.

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While certain people claim now that G5 is ''the best ever'', I wonder how such a conclusion can be made about a product that has only been in release for a couple weeks



The question was never really asked, except rhetorically.

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and already has some problems with ''a fix in the works'' according to KE officials.



For those processors which you said were "quite old and antiquated".

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I also wonder how certain people know intimately the programming of G5 without being closely connected to KE, if not employees then possibly subcontractors of KE who seem to think that they aren't ''really'' KE employees thus do not feel ethically bound to reveal their affiliations.

If something sounds like a duck, talks like a duck and walks like a duck; it better watch out during hunting season.


Sounds like a "fishing" expendition to me. No bites though.



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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 6:51 AM   
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It's another example of waste if you ask me.

Whatever happened to backwards compatible?



No, don't buy into the glass half empty view which two others are espousing.

You can run it with your graphics card.

However you have to realize that your system is not up to the median standards of even two or three years ago.

So in this case, you DO NOT have to upgrade, as it IS backward compatible with what you have, however backward compatibility means that you LOOSE some of the features and benefits others may realize.

If you don't want to miss out, you can upgrade your graphics card. The choice is yours.



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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 4:43 PM   
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Then there's the additional need to upgrade your existing computer system if you want to go from G3.5 to G5.0.



Only for those systems that did not meet the original median requirements for G3.5, which has been said time and again, though some people seem to PURPOSELY miss.




I’m not sure what you mean by "median requirements", the minimum requirements for G3.0 are very similar to those of G4.5. But, of course, the Optimum requirements are quite different. So, in reality you can run G5.0 on a minimum requirements G3.5 machine. But, it’s fairly obvious that you’ll have greatly reduced performance. (RealFlight claims that "Aerodynamic calculations will remain high quality" yet a view of customer complaints on the KE site indicate that users see a significant reduction in aerodynamic performance) In which case it’s quite possible that a User with G3.5 would find that running G5.0 on his or her machine would consider the G3.5 version to be a better product for them then G5.0. Unless, of course, they upgrade their computer system.


Directly From the RealFlight G3.5 site;

Minimum: Allows minimal simulator functionality.

Windows Vista*, XP*, 2000*, ME, 98
Intel® Pentium® 1.0 GHz or equivalent
DirectX® 9 (or above) compatible video and sound card
3D accelerated video card with 32 MB (or more) RAM
256 MB RAM
2 GB hard drive space

Optimum: Enables complete simulator functionality.

Intel Pentium 3.0 GHz or equivalent
3D accelerated video card with 128 MB (or more) RAM
1GB RAM

http://www.realflight.com/requirements/g3_system.html


Directly from the G4.5 site;

Minimum Recommended System: Some graphical features may be disabled. Aerodynamic calculations will remain high quality.

Windows* XP or Windows* Vista®
Intel® Pentium® 1.0GHz or equivalent
512 MB RAM
4 GB Hard Drive Space
DVD Drive
3D Accelerated Video with:
32 MB Dedicated Video Memory
Full Windows DirectX® 9 compliant (Pixel Shader 1.4 support)

Optimal System: For best graphical performance.

Dual Core 2.4GHz CPU
2 GB RAM
3D Accelerated Video with:
512 MB dedicated video memory
(Pixel Shader 3.0 support)

http://www.realflight.com/requirements/g45_system.html

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 7:31 PM   
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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 9:18 PM   
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Maybe if we listed who those banned users were, things would be a bit more self evident....



All you need to do is look at the threads and check the "grumpy" posters against the user list to see who is banned. There are also a few on this group who were banned there as well. I also have been in contact directly with several people who have been banned for bashing G4.5. If people want to come forward they can. On the other hand, at least two individuals on those site slander, bash and bully anyone who posts anything bad about G4.5 yet never got banned or a single post deleted. Those individuals also seem to have intimate knowledge of the programs and patches before they are even announced by KE as well as relating details about people and their systems that were sent to J.Bourke in private emails. Those same individuals seems to spend an unusual amount time on the several boards defending KE as to indicate that in a best case they either have no job, no life or no sleep. The other possibility is that KE is somehow....
Yes, it is a fishing expedition and I can see the fish even if I can't get them in the boat yet.

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 9:21 PM   
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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 9:39 PM   
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BTW, I do not work for, nor ever have received a single thing that I didn't buy from any RC company in the world. I have however worked as an Inspector and R&D Technician for Sikorsky Aircraft. There, I admit it. I worked for an aircraft company. I am sorry I was hiding that from everyone.



And to think we trusted you.

Where do you fly over there in Landsdale?

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/12/2009 10:17 PM   
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How do you install individual downloaded planes into the sim?


The individual downloaded planes will install themselves into the sim. Simply click on the download button on the KnifeEdge website and load the aircraft into a file ... I have a folder on my desktop. Then go into RealFlight and under "simulator" click on import - RFX (or G3X for G3.X), find the file and that's it. Common error is to unzip the zip file. Do not unzip it! RealFlight will unzip and load it into your sim, under "Custom Aircraft".

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/13/2009 1:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you saying that there are already some individual planes that can be downloaded and run on G4.5 and G5?? I'm not referring to the five free download files (I have those). Are there other planes as well? I looked on KnifeEdge and on RealFlight but could not find any links...

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/13/2009 1:57 AM   
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Are you saying that there are already some individual planes that can be downloaded and run on G4.5 and G5?? I'm not referring to the five free download files (I have those). Are there other planes as well? I looked on KnifeEdge and on RealFlight but could not find any links...

Thanks for any info that you have,

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To run on G4.5??? Why yes, there are quite a few planes and sites, an entire section for 4.5

Go to the forums and look in the blue bar across the upper area of the page for "swap pages" and then to the release you're looking for. Or use the link I just pasted for ya'


http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=cat&id=328


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RE: [Deleted] - 11/13/2009 8:21 PM   
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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/13/2009 8:44 PM   
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I got another question. Will my nVidia 512MB Quadro FX 4500 work for the G5 upgrade, it apparently requires pixel shader 3.0 (whatever that is ???) and from what I gather I believe this video card is 2.0?

Has anybody has any issues having a pixelshader 2.0 with G5?

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/13/2009 9:09 PM   
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Directly From the RealFlight G3.5 site;

Minimum: Allows minimal simulator functionality.

Windows Vista*, XP*, 2000*, ME, 98
Intel® Pentium® 1.0 GHz or equivalent
DirectX® 9 (or above) compatible video and sound card
3D accelerated video card with 32 MB (or more) RAM
256 MB RAM
2 GB hard drive space

I’m not sure what you mean by ''median requirements'',



As you noted above, the "minimum" requirements are a 3D card with 32mb of ram for G3.5 AND Directx9 compliance.

In a way this is a misnomer as DIRECTX9 specifies much more than 32MB of dedicated video ram.

The original poster's video card only has 32MB of RAM, making it a MINIMUM spec card for G3, let alone G4 or G5, and his card is NOT DX9 compliant, though it does feature shader 2.0 support.

So his video configuration does not even hit the mid point between minimal to optimal configurations, making it LESS than a "median" setup.

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So, in reality you can run G5.0 on a minimum requirements G3.5 machine. But, it’s fairly obvious that you’ll have greatly reduced performance.



If you dial everything up, yes.

However you can reduce the eye candy quite a bit and get respectable performance.

Point of fact: G5 starts out with greatly reduced video settings for those people who cannot seem to figure out how to do so.


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(RealFlight claims that ''Aerodynamic calculations will remain high quality'' yet a view of customer complaints on the KE site indicate that users see a significant reduction in aerodynamic performance)



There is no valid basis for any such claim as that is completely inaccurate.

Physic rendering ( which includes aerodynamic calculation ) is kept a fixed minimums by the sim dependant upon how the user leaves the physics quality settings set. The default is HIGH even for slow systems.

Physics accuracy is NEVER sacraficed, instead CPU time is taken away from 3D rendering when needed.

Please cite the post claiming this for reference.

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In which case it’s quite possible that a User with G3.5 would find that running G5.0 on his or her machine would consider the G3.5 version to be a better product for them then G5.0. Unless, of course, they upgrade their computer system.




Only in an extreme situation, such as if a user has a seriously antiquated configuration.

The majority of G3.5 upgraders are reporting very good results and no perceived degradations, even on older machines.

The exceptions ( ironically ) are those who own the processors that have turned up to have problems running the setup.exe file.




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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/13/2009 9:52 PM   
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It cost a fortune back then to build them, and I'm still using both.

Asking if G5 will run OK or not is very subjective, as hardware seems infinite, as does the definition of OK.

The suggestions to download the trial version (even though it is not G5) are good.

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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/13/2009 10:43 PM   
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RE: Realflight G5Coming Soon - 11/14/2009 4:11 AM   
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Go to knife edge forums and see for yourself. If the dozen fixes in six months didn't make a point, read all the post of people with problems. From ''doesn't run right'' to ''doesn't run at all''. Pretty good evidence of problems to me.


Sigh, here we go again....

The launcher problem with ANTIQUATED CPU's is known... and really these systems do not meet the minimums.

The ''doesn't run right'' comments involve Multiplayer setups, primarily where people have fairly unusual configurations.

Anyone interested can follow the threads where this is addressed.

Most of the ''doesn't run at all'' comments are from people who did not understand that the installation must be run as ''administrator'' but once done the software runs just fine as a non-privileged user.

Read this stuff on the KE forums.

Given the LOW frequency of such on thousands of installations, this is PRETTY GOOD evidence of a good release.

But then there are those who point to even one problem as a cudgel to use to bash everything.



Your statement about antiquated CPUs not meeting the minimums is FALSE.

I meet the minimum advertised requirements on the box, but the program does not install:

Here is the minimum recommended system:

1. Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7 - I can check this off, Win XP SP3.
2. Intel Pentium 1.0GHz or equivalent - I have an AMD Athlon XP 3000+ (2.1 GHz).
3. 512 MB RAM - I have 2 GB.
4. 4 GB Hard Drive Space - I have 289 GB free.
5. DVD Drive - I have two.
6. 3D Accelerated Video with: 32 MB Dedicated Video Memory Full Direct X 9 compliant (Pixel Shader 1.4 support) - I have NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS.

I was told on GROUPS that a fix was coming, but when? An update was requested on the KE board 3 days ago and no replies. Regardless of whether the software installs for most users or not, I checked the minimums before I bought and opened the package! Realflight 3.5 runs without a hitch on my system and I like the product. In fact, I've bought every realflight generation except G4. I have all the addons and now all the expansion packs since I bought them at the time of my G5 upgrade. I just would like to know when I can install this software. This is not an unreasonable request!





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