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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 10:48:09 PM   
P-51B



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From: An Iceburg in, ANTARCTICA
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tattoo
A lot of RCU'ers are Spadders, a poll was posted and they came and voted. If you think it's degenerated, research the thread and ask yourself why. And if the answer is "too many Spadders voted" so someone decided to get smart, so then Spadders decided to once again defend them selves...well so it goes in the mean time, keep it up and thanks for the guys you've gotten interested. (I track web stats, and these are real eye openers)...so again, thanks!

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. For something to become "up with" it must have begun with a "down with"

P.S. I'm waiting for the plans to come out for the UTDD flyer [/QUOTE]

I went back and looked! No one started bashing spads prior to it becoming an "up with spads" contest again.

The closest to that was my comment that spad is a construction material, not a technique. Not even close to "bashing". I think that the intent of the poll and thread was construction types (ie kit, scratch, arf) not construction materials (ie balsa, paper, or coroplast).

I have nothing against any new materials, quite the contrary...I find new materials interesting. I also find it interesting that some in this thread take everything as a "bash".

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 10:50:11 PM   
P-51B



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From: An Iceburg in, ANTARCTICA
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by nukes
Not used of course, that is just not sanitary.

P-51B,

You picked a good aviator for yourself. [/QUOTE]


First, too funny!

Second, thanks! I just changed it, my other one was getting boring.

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 10:52:45 PM   
P-51B



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From: An Iceburg in, ANTARCTICA
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by BasinBum
...they are just toys so relax. [/QUOTE]


Basin,

I sure hope you have your flame suit nearby after that one.

I think I will sit back and enjoy the fireworks for the fourth!!!

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 10:53:08 PM   
FrankC29



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From: Bakersfield, CA, USA
Status: offline 		There is a "technique" to working with Coro.
There is a "technique" to working with PVC.

We do not sand, we do not cover, we do not pin. The "techniques" we use to construct a Spad are unique to this form of R/C. The cutting,scoring,hinging,flaming,folding,gluing are things that must be learned, simple as they are. Same goes for foam and composite construction "techniques".


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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 10:54:44 PM   
FrankC29



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]we're talking about big toys, all of them Balsa,Coro, foam whatever...they are just toys so relax. [/QUOTE]

Oh goodness.


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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 10:57:32 PM   
Goinstraightup



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From: Baraboo , WI, USA
Status: offline 		Even though I love Tatoo and Jason's latest spad designs, and ARF's are getting better, I voted for kits because they are such a good value.

The following pertains to Balsa and Ply models:

No one who is completely honest can say that plans building is cheaper than kits. The only time it is cheaper is when you get a whole club together and cut multiple "kits" of one design. Otherwise the things you have to buy and cut and the time and effort it takes to make the "kit" is waaaayyyyy more than a kit would cost. Kits are a great value!

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 11:01:26 PM   
P-51B



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From: An Iceburg in, ANTARCTICA
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by FrankC29
There is a "technique" to working with Coro.
There is a "technique" to working with PVC.

We do not sand, we do not cover, we do not pin. The "techniques" we use to construct a Spad are unique to this form of R/C. The cutting,scoring,hinging,flaming,folding,gluing are things that must be learned, simple as they are. Same goes for foam and composite construction "techniques". [/QUOTE]

I don't want to go down that road. If we do, then BALSA should be on the poll, since there are techniques for working with that.

Like I said,

you can scratch build with coroplast,
you can kit build with PVC,
you can do the same with Balsa

They are both MATERIALS.

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 11:03:55 PM   
P-51B



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From: An Iceburg in, ANTARCTICA
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Goinstraightup
Even though I love Tatoo and Jason's latest spad designs, and ARF's are getting better, I voted for kits because they are such a good value.

The following pertains to Balsa and Ply models:

No one who is completely honest can say that plans building is cheaper than kits. The only time it is cheaper is when you get a whole club together and cut multiple "kits" of one design. Otherwise the things you have to buy and cut and the time and effort it takes to make the "kit" is waaaayyyyy more than a kit would cost. Kits are a great value! [/QUOTE]

I think most who build from plans do so to have a unique aircraft that is not being kitted, or simply for the satisfaction of having built from plans.

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 11:06:31 PM   
ChrisSpad



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From: Cordova, TN,
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]
Sorry SPADguys, love my 3D's but have you ever flown a 1/4 scale gas aerobat?[/QUOTE]

Hey Basin Bum, here's a couple of videos for you to peruse:

http://users3.ev1.net/~cdjump/spadcub.wmv

Now, i'll be the first to admit that a cub like thing isn't exactly an aerobat, but, its mine, and i have flown it, alot. I think it'd do just about anything your 1/4 scale PW extra would, as i think the video pretty well illustrates.

But, since thats not really an aerobat, does the 29% cap 232 i built count?
My avatar is an inflight pic.

Oh, and one more, just for kicks:
http://users3.ev1.net/~cdjump/purpleedge.wmv

At any rate, you like wood, i like plastic.

[QUOTE]This is why I made the point earlier that spad is a construction material, as opposed to a construction technique such as scratch building.[/QUOTE]

Hogwash! Spad is more of a technique than a material. Go to the store and buy some "spad material".
And, every spad i've built has been scratchbuilt. Just because it wasn't made out of toothpicks, doesn't mean iit isn't scratchbuilt.

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 11:10:10 PM   
P-51B



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From: An Iceburg in, ANTARCTICA
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChrisSpad
Just because it wasn't made out of toothpicks, doesn't mean iit isn't scratchbuilt. [/QUOTE]

Never said anything to the contrary.

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 11:14:53 PM   
FrankC29



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From: Bakersfield, CA, USA
Status: offline 		The poll was setup the way it was setup. Had it been

balsa
foam
coroplast
etc.

then I would have voted for coroplast. I don't think anyone can really argue that Spad isn't a unique form of r/c, however you break it down. You can't just fold it up into a larger category and make it dissapear. It stands alone.


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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 11:18:04 PM   
Jim_McIntyre



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From: Claremont, ON, CANADA
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChrisSpad
[Just because it wasn't made out of toothpicks, doesn't mean iit isn't scratchbuilt. [/QUOTE]

Sigh... and the back-n-forth bashing continues. :

There's nothing more annoying than an over-zealous recent convert.

If it looks and flies like the real thing, is not a safety hazard, isn't a cookie-cutter clone of the next plane on the flightline, it gets my vote.
The day I figure out how to build a decent looking scale SPAD is the day I stop contributing to these comparison threads. Yes, I've seen the coro-stang, great strides being made but, put it next to a balsa model (even one built by a mediocre builder) in a beauty contest and what's gonna happen? Lets' be real. If you don't care about looks, so be it, fly a beater and enjoy.

< Message edited by Jim_McIntyre -- Jul 3 2003 6:39PM >

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 11:19:40 PM   
P-51B



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From: An Iceburg in, ANTARCTICA
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by FrankC29
You can't just fold it up into a larger category and make it dissapear. It stands alone. [/QUOTE]

No one is trying to make it disappear, just trying for accuracy.

Well, I have posted WAAAAAAAAAY to many posts on this thread. Have fun with it.

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Your favorite model type - 7/3/2003 11:37:09 PM   
FrankC29



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Status: offline 		As the vote now stands, Spads make up almost 50% of the tally. Now, this might change, especially if the rest of RCU discovers this thread, in no way am I trying to say Spad is a majority, heck I don't want it to be honestly. BUT, I think this more than serves as proof of it's viability and growing popularity, regardless of the beating it has taken in thread after thread for years. Truthfully, every time something bad is said about Spads, their popularity seems to go up. So, in part, we have gentleman like Jim McInTyre and others to THANK for furthering the cause of Spad. You will be fondly remembered.