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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 12:00:52 AM   
Big Sasquatch



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Status: offline 		Spads are running away with the "Your favorite model type" pole in the clubhouse. I don't find this very astonishing myself having recently built my first one this past weekend, I LOVE THAT THING! Funny how cranky the traditionalists get when people talk up spads, almost like their feelings are hurt. How could anyone put down a building method that has the following qualities:
1) cheap
2) quick to build, I mean really quick.
3) no covering material required, and you can get just about any color coro.
4) Performance is neck to neck with traditional building methods
5) They are just neat lookin' too, and the models are getting more complex.

I am so hooked from my first attempt I might scratch build a twin com.bat, and something else with flaps (just because it would be so easy to do with a spad)
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Looks aren't everything. To me, not even 10%. - 7/4/2003 1:31:00 AM   
rlt55



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Status: offline 		When I was a kid, I used to build plastic models (P-38, B-57, F-100 etc). Nice eye candy but not real interesting.

Now, when I see a scale RC model, I instantly think of how difficult it would be to fly.
I've seen so many of them crash, I would never buy a scale fighter kit!
When I look at pipers and bipes, I think they look really neat.
but that's not the first thing that comes to mind. I think about all the bad crashes I've seen with these type of models.

When I purchased my first ARF, it was a 'functional' FMA Razor. It didn't need to look like a 'real' airplane. It just needed to fly like an RC plane.

I'm into 'functional', my RC planes don't have to be modeled after FS planes, they just have to be easy and fun to fly.

Some folks might not like their looks but the U-channel Coro plane is super functional.
They are the ultimate in simplicity and are the most fun you can have legally

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 9:21:10 AM   
david a



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Status: offline 		Functional and fun works for me. When people at the field see my Deb for the first time they think it's ugly. But once they see it fly they will come over and asking questions and take a closer look at it. Then it begins to look less and less ugly to them because of the simplicity, time of construction and how little $$$ it took to build.

I just don't have any desire to spend several months hunkered down over a table cutting and gluing balsa wood together. What's the advantage? Balsa planes that are similar to my Deb don't fly any better than mine and quite frankly, I don't think they fly nearly as good as mine.

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 12:11:50 PM   
CaptKAOS



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Status: offline 		AND.........they splinter too danged easy......

SPAD ON!!


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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 6:27:08 PM   
Jim_McIntyre



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Status: offline 		The church of SPAD is alive and well.

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 6:44:38 PM   
Ross Kean



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim_McIntyre
The church of SPAD is alive and well. [/QUOTE]

And we burn balsa instead of incense!

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 6:55:00 PM   
Tattoo



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Status: offline 		We tried to pass a plate once...but everyone was too cheap to put anything in it...the next time we tried...someone hung an engine on it and flew it.

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 7:14:43 PM   
rlt55



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Status: offline 		You should not have used a Plastic plate!

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 7:49:29 PM   
ChrisSpad



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Status: offline 		Uh oh. Jim Mc. is snooping in the Spad forum. We are all in trouble now.

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 8:44:29 PM   
Jim_McIntyre



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChrisSpad
Uh oh. Jim Mc. is snooping in the Spad forum. We are all in trouble now. [/QUOTE]

I'm famous... er infamous?

C'mon guys, how else am I going to find religion?

I don't snoop forums, in fact I find forums too rigid, I just check recent postings and browse what looks interesting....

Still waiting for the Ford Trimotor, I think this, with it's corrugations, would be the natural SPAD scale project.

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 11:04:13 PM   
FrankC29



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Status: offline 		Jim, let me ask you a few questions. Be honest.

Would it please you to see Spads lose popularity and dissappear completely?
Would it please you if the AMA banned Spads?
Of the two, ARFS and Spads, which do you dislike most and why?
And last, have you ever flown a Spad yourself?

Jim, whether you are willing to own up to this or not, you are one of the most outspoken opponents of Spad. You claim it's all tongue-in-cheek, but things said in jest are usually just a way to convey true feelings with a smile. I'm just curious as to the root of your feelings on this subject. There are lots of facets of R/C that do not interest me at all, but none so much so that I would go out of my way to speak out against them regularly and at length, jokingly or not. We all now how you feel, Jim, but you feel the need to remind us on a very regular basis. You're becoming our contrarian mascot. Did you get shot down by a Spadder one day? If so, we'll get on his back about it. Anything to ease your mind, Jim.


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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/4/2003 11:49:31 PM   
ChrisSpad



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]
HARASSMENT & FLAMING:
RCU members are not permitted to harass or "flame" other members. Please do not post or transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, profane, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable material of any kind, including, but not limited to, any material which encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, violate the rights of others, or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national or international law. Please note that this also includes the posting of taunts on a forum solely for the purpose of demeaning that forum's topic and/or members. [/QUOTE]

Before this goes any further. What i quoted are the RCU rules about flaming.
For the record, even if you put a smiley face after a flame. its still a flame, and will be treated as such.

So everyone be nice.

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/5/2003 12:26:29 AM   
Jim_McIntyre



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by FrankC29
Jim, let me ask you a few questions. Be honest.

Ok....
quote:

Would it please you to see Spads lose popularity and dissappear completely?

Nope.
quote:

Would it please you if the AMA banned Spads?

Nope.
quote:

Of the two, ARFS and Spads, which do you dislike most and why?

ARFs. Tough to generalize but, because many ARFs are unsafe out of the box and promoted to newbies who wouldn't know better.... I also dislike the instant gratification crowd attracted to them.. Let me re-iterate, I'm not saying that all ARF flyers are this type just, there's more of this type showing up to the field since the requirement for 'sweat equity' disappeared.

quote:

And last, have you ever flown a Spad yourself?

Yep.

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Jim, whether you are willing to own up to this or not...[/QUOTE]

Ok, ok, so I been ragging on you guys. I guess the SPAD evangelism is getting under my skin. Personally I couldn't care less if you built a plane out of excrement, as long as it's safe and you don't keep shoving it under my nose telling me it's somehow superior.... :

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Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse - 7/5/2003 2:05:00 AM   
Tattoo



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quote:

"don't keep shoving it under my nose"

"SPAD evangelism is getting under my skin"


This is where I get a little peeved, and quickly lose my sense of humor, and believe me, that's hard to do. (I haven't yet, but getting close)

Pop your behind to the search function here. Go to the beginners forum and do a search for spad. Then do a search for Avistar. Then do a search for Kadet LT-40. Interesting numbers...

Now move your assets over to the Fun fly forum. Do a search for Spad. Then do a search for Edge. Then one for Knife. Then one for any number of popular funfly planes.

Now try it in any other forum...hmmmm. Jim, you had to wait quite a few weeks and wade through hundreds of topic and thousands of posts in the clubhouse before Spad building was brought up...and the second it was...well I'm sorry Spadders rammed it up your nasel passeges the way they did. Yeah...one thread...a pole...with Spad as an option no less, and you call this evangical and cramming it up your nose? I call it R/C modelers like to hang out at RCU, and a lot of them build Spads. Is it that hard to accept?

When you look at the big picture...Spad is very small. If Spad is a religion, then by numbers, SIG LT-40 is God, and the Avistar created the universe. TOC is the parting of the waters and Top gun is Armiggeddon. These things are huge, yet I've never heard someone mention the Avistar Jehad. No one has ever accused Top Gun as being Evangelical.

Just what in Hello is it about these plastic airplanes that is so stinking insanely intimiding and scarey to some traditionalists...that just the mention of the acronym popping up somewhere in the vast sea of information in the R/C world...makes these people panic and zero in on it and put them in the class of religion, or Jehad, or cult, or any of the other names the threatened have called these cheap little plastic creations? I never could have imagined that a hunk of drain pipe and a sheet of plastic could illicit such reactions from grown men.
It is kind of cool though...throughout history men have worked their keesters off to attain such titles...all a Spadder has to do is say "hey look what I built", well within the bounds of a forum topic or thread subject, and you guys come a runnin.

Is it because you feel we've somehow cheated the unwrittian hobbiest's dues and didn't pay high dollar prices for the fun we get in return? Is it because we don't line the kit/ARF/materials manufacturer's pockets? Is it because your Monocote is peeling up and your firewall is fuel soaked? Or is it simply because you don't think it's fair?

If it's that bad for you guys, may I suggest paying a little more attention to topics and thread titles, and simply be a little more selective with what you read? Because for every time Spad is mentioned in a post here at RCU...there are tens of thousands of other posts that they are not mentioned in, and I'm sure you could find something more to your liking if you looked.



And last but not least...

quote:

telling me it's somehow superior....


It isn't???

Darn it...I was doing so good...where's that paper towel and attack donkey

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