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Big Sasquatch -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 12:00:52 AM)

Spads are running away with the "Your favorite model type" pole in the clubhouse. I don't find this very astonishing myself having recently built my first one this past weekend, I LOVE THAT THING! Funny how cranky the traditionalists get when people talk up spads, almost like their feelings are hurt. How could anyone put down a building method that has the following qualities:
1) cheap
2) quick to build, I mean really quick.
3) no covering material required, and you can get just about any color coro.
4) Performance is neck to neck with traditional building methods
5) They are just neat lookin' too, and the models are getting more complex.

I am so hooked from my first attempt I might scratch build a twin com.bat, and something else with flaps (just because it would be so easy to do with a spad) :p :p :p



rlt55 -> Looks aren't everything. To me, not even 10%. (7/4/2003 1:31:00 AM)

When I was a kid, I used to build plastic models (P-38, B-57, F-100 etc). Nice eye candy but not real interesting.

Now, when I see a scale RC model, I instantly think of how difficult it would be to fly.
I've seen so many of them crash, I would never buy a scale fighter kit!
When I look at pipers and bipes, I think they look really neat.
but that's not the first thing that comes to mind. I think about all the bad crashes I've seen with these type of models.

When I purchased my first ARF, it was a 'functional' FMA Razor. It didn't need to look like a 'real' airplane. It just needed to fly like an RC plane.

I'm into 'functional', my RC planes don't have to be modeled after FS planes, they just have to be easy and fun to fly.

Some folks might not like their looks but the U-channel Coro plane is super functional.
They are the ultimate in simplicity and are the most fun you can have legally ;)



david a -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 9:21:10 AM)

Functional and fun works for me. When people at the field see my Deb for the first time they think it's ugly. But once they see it fly they will come over and asking questions and take a closer look at it. Then it begins to look less and less ugly to them because of the simplicity, time of construction and how little $$$ it took to build.

I just don't have any desire to spend several months hunkered down over a table cutting and gluing balsa wood together. What's the advantage? Balsa planes that are similar to my Deb don't fly any better than mine and quite frankly, I don't think they fly nearly as good as mine.



CaptKAOS -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 12:11:50 PM)

AND.........they splinter too danged easy......

SPAD ON!!



Jim_McIntyre -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 6:27:08 PM)

The church of SPAD is alive and well. :D



Ross Kean -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 6:44:38 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim_McIntyre
The church of SPAD is alive and well. :D [/QUOTE]

And we burn balsa instead of incense!



Tattoo -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 6:55:00 PM)

We tried to pass a plate once...but everyone was too cheap to put anything in it...the next time we tried...someone hung an engine on it and flew it.:D



rlt55 -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 7:14:43 PM)

You should not have used a Plastic plate!



ChrisSpad -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 7:49:29 PM)

Uh oh. Jim Mc. is snooping in the Spad forum. We are all in trouble now.



Jim_McIntyre -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 8:44:29 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChrisSpad
Uh oh. Jim Mc. is snooping in the Spad forum. We are all in trouble now. [/QUOTE]

I'm famous... er infamous? :D

C'mon guys, how else am I going to find religion? :D

I don't snoop forums, in fact I find forums too rigid, I just check recent postings and browse what looks interesting....

Still waiting for the Ford Trimotor, I think this, with it's corrugations, would be the natural SPAD scale project. ;)



FrankC29 -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 11:04:13 PM)

Jim, let me ask you a few questions. Be honest.

Would it please you to see Spads lose popularity and dissappear completely?
Would it please you if the AMA banned Spads?
Of the two, ARFS and Spads, which do you dislike most and why?
And last, have you ever flown a Spad yourself?

Jim, whether you are willing to own up to this or not, you are one of the most outspoken opponents of Spad. You claim it's all tongue-in-cheek, but things said in jest are usually just a way to convey true feelings with a smile. I'm just curious as to the root of your feelings on this subject. There are lots of facets of R/C that do not interest me at all, but none so much so that I would go out of my way to speak out against them regularly and at length, jokingly or not. We all now how you feel, Jim, but you feel the need to remind us on a very regular basis. You're becoming our contrarian mascot. Did you get shot down by a Spadder one day? If so, we'll get on his back about it. Anything to ease your mind, Jim. :)



ChrisSpad -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/4/2003 11:49:31 PM)

[QUOTE]
HARASSMENT & FLAMING:
RCU members are not permitted to harass or "flame" other members. Please do not post or transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, profane, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable material of any kind, including, but not limited to, any material which encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, violate the rights of others, or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national or international law. Please note that this also includes the posting of taunts on a forum solely for the purpose of demeaning that forum's topic and/or members. [/QUOTE]

Before this goes any further. What i quoted are the RCU rules about flaming.
For the record, even if you put a smiley face after a flame. its still a flame, and will be treated as such.

So everyone be nice.



Jim_McIntyre -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 12:26:29 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FrankC29
Jim, let me ask you a few questions. Be honest.

Ok....
quote:

Would it please you to see Spads lose popularity and dissappear completely?

Nope.
quote:

Would it please you if the AMA banned Spads?

Nope.
quote:

Of the two, ARFS and Spads, which do you dislike most and why?

ARFs. Tough to generalize but, because many ARFs are unsafe out of the box and promoted to newbies who wouldn't know better.... I also dislike the instant gratification crowd attracted to them.. Let me re-iterate, I'm not saying that all ARF flyers are this type just, there's more of this type showing up to the field since the requirement for 'sweat equity' disappeared.

quote:

And last, have you ever flown a Spad yourself?

Yep.

quote:


Jim, whether you are willing to own up to this or not...[/QUOTE]

Ok, ok, so I been ragging on you guys. I guess the SPAD evangelism is getting under my skin. Personally I couldn't care less if you built a plane out of excrement, as long as it's safe and you don't keep shoving it under my nose telling me it's somehow superior.... :rolleyes:



Tattoo -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 2:05:00 AM)

quote:

"don't keep shoving it under my nose"

"SPAD evangelism is getting under my skin"


This is where I get a little peeved, and quickly lose my sense of humor, and believe me, that's hard to do. (I haven't yet, but getting close) :)

Pop your behind to the search function here. Go to the beginners forum and do a search for spad. Then do a search for Avistar. Then do a search for Kadet LT-40. Interesting numbers...

Now move your assets over to the Fun fly forum. Do a search for Spad. Then do a search for Edge. Then one for Knife. Then one for any number of popular funfly planes.

Now try it in any other forum...hmmmm. Jim, you had to wait quite a few weeks and wade through hundreds of topic and thousands of posts in the clubhouse before Spad building was brought up...and the second it was...well I'm sorry Spadders rammed it up your nasel passeges the way they did. Yeah...one thread...a pole...with Spad as an option no less, and you call this evangical and cramming it up your nose? I call it R/C modelers like to hang out at RCU, and a lot of them build Spads. Is it that hard to accept?

When you look at the big picture...Spad is very small. If Spad is a religion, then by numbers, SIG LT-40 is God, and the Avistar created the universe. TOC is the parting of the waters and Top gun is Armiggeddon. These things are huge, yet I've never heard someone mention the Avistar Jehad. No one has ever accused Top Gun as being Evangelical.

Just what in Hello is it about these plastic airplanes that is so stinking insanely intimiding and scarey to some traditionalists...that just the mention of the acronym popping up somewhere in the vast sea of information in the R/C world...makes these people panic and zero in on it and put them in the class of religion, or Jehad, or cult, or any of the other names the threatened have called these cheap little plastic creations? I never could have imagined that a hunk of drain pipe and a sheet of plastic could illicit such reactions from grown men.
It is kind of cool though...throughout history men have worked their keesters off to attain such titles...all a Spadder has to do is say "hey look what I built", well within the bounds of a forum topic or thread subject, and you guys come a runnin.

Is it because you feel we've somehow cheated the unwrittian hobbiest's dues and didn't pay high dollar prices for the fun we get in return? Is it because we don't line the kit/ARF/materials manufacturer's pockets? Is it because your Monocote is peeling up and your firewall is fuel soaked? Or is it simply because you don't think it's fair?

If it's that bad for you guys, may I suggest paying a little more attention to topics and thread titles, and simply be a little more selective with what you read? Because for every time Spad is mentioned in a post here at RCU...there are tens of thousands of other posts that they are not mentioned in, and I'm sure you could find something more to your liking if you looked.

:)

And last but not least...

quote:

telling me it's somehow superior....


It isn't???:(

Darn it...I was doing so good...where's that paper towel and attack donkey:D



rchawaii -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 2:46:53 AM)

Um. . . lol

Jim, just get rid of all the balsa and walk on over the fence, we see you teetering ..shall we sing the National Anthem?

Happy Birthday America - SPAD ON!



P-51B -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 3:30:47 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim_McIntyre
Personally I couldn't care less if you built a plane out of excrement, as long as it's safe and you don't keep shoving it under my nose telling me it's somehow superior.... :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

Best comment in the thread.



rchawaii -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 4:19:36 AM)

Who is shoving it under your nose p51... You saw a post quoting you and you had to come here and start something? I think your siggy line speaks volumes, and it was a compliment to you.

You apparently need to re-read tattoos post, it explains the point rather clearly that no-one is shoving anything from the SPAD point of view when it comes to trolls hijacking SPAD related threads-or were you actually SUBSCRIBED to this spad topic? Interesting hypothesis dexter..



P-51B -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 4:27:33 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RCHAWAII
Who is shoving it under your nose p51... You saw a post quoting you and you had to come here and start something? I think your siggy line speaks volumes, and it was a compliment to you.

You apparently need to re-read tattoos post, it explains the point rather clearly that no-one is shoving anything from the SPAD point of view when it comes to trolls hijacking SPAD related threads-or were you actually SUBSCRIBED to this spad topic? Interesting hypothesis dexter.. [/QUOTE]


Uhh what?!?!?!?!?

One, its not a quote of me.

Two I simply like the quote from the standpoint that he could care less what material the plane is made of. I happen to agree with that.

I guess there must be some secret SPAD club that issues permission to comment on threads, other wise they are labeled trolls????



JohnVH -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 7:22:39 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim_McIntyre
Personally I couldn't care less if you built a plane out of excrement, as long as it's safe and you don't keep shoving it under my nose telling me it's somehow superior.... :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

FWIW, that is actually very funny!!! :p


But, before you guys flame me, I fly everything from electric to giant to jet. And if you visit my website you will find video's of me flying all of them.


What difference does it make if someone like to make their plane out of wood or plastic? none. Usually its those that have not tried it that dont like it. I have converted alot of people to spads because they just watch us fly and laugh the whole time, they want to have that much fun too;)

NOW, lets keep this thread civil, or it will be closed.

Thanks



Ross Kean -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 7:51:05 AM)

Is it my imagination or is everyone getting a little testy lately? Maybe its the weather or the phase of the moon, but I would enjoy this forum a lot more if everyone would just chill out a bit and stop taking things personally! Its funny how one learns to let comments simply roll off them in a social situation and they react in an entirely disproportionate way on the internet! Not the first I've seen of it, but I wish it would be the last.

More than a little over-reaction to a (possibly inappropriate) friendly dig. Maybe I have grown a thick skin over the years, but I can read most of these comments with a smile and maybe get a little friendly dig in as a response, but I don't take it seriously!

We are adults pursuing fun/sport/hobby/passion, not 12 year olds in a Pi$$ing contest!!

I would suggest that it might be time to close this particular thread (especially since I just got the last word in)! It seems to be going nowhere in a great hurry. :D

Ross



thudriver -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 8:21:13 AM)

Well said ross, I second it! Lighten up guys, all these so-called flamers just give me the giggles. I am too close to death to sweat the small stuff! Have fun ! thudriver



rchawaii -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 9:53:50 AM)

I was just ribbing too, I see no real reason to close the thread.

quote:

Two I simply like the quote from the standpoint that he could care less what material the plane is made of. I happen to agree with that

Gotcha.

I don't mind the ribbing-I find it enjoyable 90% of the time :D

I am working on a new SPAD right now [well a few at a time] and hope it comes out half as good as Krauts and hundreds of other spadders out there.



Deadeye -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 2:08:49 PM)

Tattoo,

I don't know why you waste your time defending SPAD. Some people just like to stir the pot, and be annoying. You know damn well what you have with SPAD, and it is excellent. No need to defend something that doesn't need defending. You and Kraut are the creators of something so good, I don't know why you even bother replying to defend.

Let it be. And let the foolhearty waste THEIR time. I'll take that time and build another airplane. Just let them *****.



P-51B -> Interesting Debate in the Clubhouse (7/5/2003 6:44:48 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RCHAWAII
I was just ribbing too, I see no real reason to close the thread.


Gotcha.

I don't mind the ribbing-I find it enjoyable 90% of the time :D

I am working on a new SPAD right now [well a few at a time] and hope it comes out half as good as Krauts and hundreds of other spadders out there. [/QUOTE]

Nice cover.

Admin, no need to close the thread.

We all like some good natured ribbing, particularly me, but there is a difference between ribbing and attacking. And the attacking does not further the image of SPAD.

Now...lets see some better ribbing... get out that attack donkey Tattoo! :D



crashlessons -> Excrement??? (7/5/2003 8:20:32 PM)

I live in cattle country!

Do you think the world is ready for the first motorized flying pasture cookie?

If it's runny in the making, and hits a nice flat rock (it's maiden?) the cookie is usually flat on bottom, rounded on top, quite thin (1/2 to 3/4 inch) and after a few days in the sun is light weight and firm enough to play frisbee with.

I'll consider control surfaces and see what I come up with. various size "models" available of course, 1/2A up to GIANT scale.
(potential for a new side business comes to mind, think UPS would ship 'em for me?)

Ok, now the real reason for my post. I enjoy other sports and hobbies as well as model airplaning. I used to go to some of their forums. I got so tired of their childish bickering and name calling that I quit reading them. They were like a bunch of damn opinionated school kids in the play ground pushing each other down in the mud about any little thing someone said or believed.

When I was introduced to this forum, I was pleasantly surprised to find this "flaming" as it's come to be called isn't a particularly large part of what is available for the reading. This was refreshing. Lets not ruin it please.

If people like spad, great, if not that's great too. I personally have hated plastic since I was a kid and toys started being made from it. Then I grew up and found out how damaging some of the processes for making plastic and disposing of it after use are to the environment and I hated it more than ever. Yes, it has it's place and some products wouldn't be available if it weren't for plastic but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Now comes spad. I love anything that flys, even if I can't ride in it. I think recycling plastic signs and making something that turns so many heads and gets so many laughs is great. I finally have something made from plastic that I like. In fact, I like it so much that I've started collecting the items required to build some spad aircraft of my own. It looks like too much fun to pass up!

I think it's here to stay, and I think it's gonna bite into the sales of the balsa producers and kit plane manufactures. They will always be able to sell airplane kits, just not quite as many now.

Now, I think I'll go check the cattle and start looking for some chips. Do I dig the bugs and worms out or them or leave them in there for a free ride?



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