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ORIGINAL: ira d

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ORIGINAL: BuschBarber

Just because an RC Radio system ships with a 4cell Rx Battery pack does not mean that the 5cell pack is not recommended. I think it is safer these days to go with a 5cell Rx pack unless you have servos that can't take 5v. Even then, I would use a 5cell pack with a 5v regulator.

I use 2cell LiPo Rx packs, with a 5v or 6v regulator, or A123 Rx packs without a regulator. My JR 791 Retract servos are the only ones I have that are not 6v compatible. I could put 5v regulators on the Retract Servos and leave the rest of the system at 6v, or just use Air Retracts and a totally 6v system.

There is nothing wrong with 4cell packs and 2.4 I have the Futaba FASST system and it works fine with a 4cell pack and for multiple flights. But my point was
that unless Horizon includes 5cell packs with all its systems then they cant say you need a 5cell pack for the system to work right.

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ORIGINAL: Fade2Black1

It doesnt matter what size pack he was using honestly. I am not sure why that is where everyone is pointing.

1. If you have a 5 cell pack and pull the battery (NO VOLTAGE), let it sit for a day, come back and plug it in, Rx should still be bound no problem. When you hit the on / off switch on the receiver, your cutting voltage to the Rx, same thing. The Tx holds the ''address'' to that plane / receiver. That is why Model match works, make sense? The tx see's a specific address to your Rx and hands out a certian freqency, just as your WiFi enable laptop see's a router and the rounter authenticates it, and hands out a IP address.

2. Send the whole thing back to Horizion.

3. Next time you bind do this.... Bind it the first time on of the receiver, NOT the switch.
-Plug the bind plug into the battery / bind port on the Rx.
-The plug the battery into any open channel.
-Follow the directions for your specific JR / Spektrum Tx to bind. I know the 6i has a diffrent bind pattern than a Dx7, 9303 and so on.
-Once bound for the first time, set your rates, reverses, yadda yadda as you would normally do.
-Now set the plane as you were going to fly, plug the bind plug into the switch, and then bind again. Why may you ask? If you bind once, it see's the Rx, but the Rx Boots to the default settings your rx was, that is usually full deflection and then some on some of your surfaces, untill the Tx see's the Rx, then they go neutral (amperage spike). When you bind twice your setting the failsafe as well. So now you have a failsafe, and a Rx that boots to a neutral deflection. I set my second bind with the throttle completly shut and full down elevator. This way, if I loose connection, rx goes into a fail safe I set. I would call in a uncontroled controlled crash. Engine off and into the ground it goes. I would rather loose the airplane than kill someone with my 30% or even a .40 size model by letting it fly away and having to go chase it to a field full of kids and its going in at 1/2 throttle.

Seeing that you are using a 6200, I have to mention that I have one that completly failed on me on the ground. I thought it became unbound as well, but thought that was not possible. I tried to bind it again with no luck. Thought I had a bad battery, and tested. my 4 cell 1100mah nicad read 5.4v. Good. Put a new pack in and it did the same. I noticed the elevator start fluttering. coincidentally, I moved the Rx and noticed that it was VERY hot. Back to Horizion it went.

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ORIGINAL: on_your_six

You seem to be focused on the bind problem... After going in the water, I would say all bets are off on loosing the bind. The water could have shorted something.

I am focusing on the loss of control originally. Flying along and all of the sudden he has no control of the plane. It flies off on the default settings. I would say that this is not a frame loss, it is total loss of signal... the Rx shut down and most likely that is a battery problem. The transmitter could be the problem. I would hope that he range checked the setup before flying. So, you are flying along and you have a ''brown out'' condition... the receiver shuts down and restarts... it does not reconnect to the transmitter. It does start blinking. You loose control and the batteries and receiver are on when you get to the accident scene... You check voltage and battery is not dead... it just does not have enough juice for the load... moving the surfaces does not load the battery... while flying the air provides the force resisting the servos and runs up the electrical requirement. The only thing you are left with is a blinking light to tell you that the receiver shut down.

Yes I agree with you to bind it before setting the plane up and bind again after completing the setup... Whether the bind plug is in the receiver or charge jack makes no difference. A bind is a bind... either works or fails. The fail safe settings are created with the second bind.

As far as binding at the field... I do not agree with you. There is nothing in the literature about that... binding is a low power operation and a receiver has to be in the bind mode for anything to happen. The chances of two planes being accidentally bound is minimal. Yes I bind at home because most of my radio work is done in a quiet space without all kinds of suggestions by my flying buddies.

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ORIGINAL: Fade2Black1
Dont beleive me about the binding while at the field? Key up multiple JR / Spektrum 2.4 radios and Rx's while at the field and try to bind a plane. Doesnt work...

Coming from the systems administration field I can tell you that the more points of connection between A and B always creates more failure points. This is why I said to bind from the receiver first. You dont have a switch between the receiver and pack. Its direct, no option for failure except from doing it wrong.

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ORIGINAL: BuschBarber

If you plug a Y harness into the Batt/Bind port in the Rx, you can leave the Battery plugged in to one side of the Y and connect the Bind Plug to the other. I do this all the time because I have a voltage regulator plugged in between the switch harness and the Rx because I use LiPo batteries. I cannot Bind from the Switch Harness Charging Jack because of the voltage regulator.

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ORIGINAL: on_your_six

I will try the binding here at home with 2 active transmitters on and a third binding.... will let you know.

Several of my receivers are rather difficult to get to once installed. I have no other option than to bind at the switch. Adding a 6 inch piece of wire and connector is not significant. You can take things too far... at some point you must have trust... If it binds, it binds.

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ORIGINAL: Fade2Black1
Dont beleive me about the binding while at the field? Key up multiple JR / Spektrum 2.4 radios and Rx's while at the field and try to bind a plane. Doesnt work...

Coming from the systems administration field I can tell you that the more points of connection between A and B always creates more failure points. This is why I said to bind from the receiver first. You dont have a switch between the receiver and pack. Its direct, no option for failure except from doing it wrong.