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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/18/2009 7:58 PM   
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How about this. If the club feels the need to have total control over a flying field. Then go out and establish a private flying field for members only. That's what we did. Problem solved.

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/18/2009 8:47 PM   
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We need something new to argue about... This 375 post thread is wore out if ya ask nme

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/18/2009 9:21 PM   
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The club should just beat this guy to death-and bury him in the runway-is that against the AMA Safety Code-

RULE #54 No persons are allowed to be buried in runway....

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/18/2009 9:25 PM   
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Rule #54 has been repealed

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/18/2009 10:26 PM   
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The club should just beat this guy to death-and bury him in the runway-is that against the AMA Safety Code-





Yes, yes, I agree.


Erm...which guy?

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/18/2009 10:35 PM   
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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/19/2009 12:07 AM   
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The club should just beat this guy to death-and bury him in the runway-is that against the AMA Safety Code-





Yes, yes, I agree.


Erm...which guy?



LOL. Here we go again!

I'm gonna be the first to call it. I'm done here boys. We've said all there is to say on the matter.

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/19/2009 3:26 AM   
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Srewinkel, I have been consistent from my first post: follow the rules, don't make threats. No "twisting the situation here." If you want to accuse me of that, then prove it. And before I provided you with some information, you said something to the effect that you didn't realize one could be arrested for threats. Now you know, and apparently agree with me. Even if I haven't changed your opinion, I was able to learn ya' somethin'. Glad I could help.

Alway knew you could be arrested for making constant threats, didn't realized that Florida, and many other states i'm sure, became so liberal that I could be arrested for telling some guy to leave me alone before I beat on him like a toy drum.

the twisting of words you due is making arguments to the extreme, and only using the context you want.  It is a very simple tactic.  yes it is against the law to make threats, but do you arrest or hand out citations to parents THREATENING to spank their kids?
Or to anyone driving down the road and flips someone off when they cut them off? At what point do these THREATS become worthy of law enforcement getting involved?

I'm not trying to change your opinion on anything.  You think that if there is a freq board you should take a pin, and post your AMA card.  I as others here, continue to state that there is no LAW anywhere that states that  one MUST post there card.  Is it a rule at SOME fields probably yes.  Is it LAW at this field in question? obviously not. Is it a RULE for club members to follow.  YES, is it LAW non members must follow, NO. Those are the very simple facts, what you believe should be LAW does not pertain to what FCMG has to do.  I agree he should of posted his card, but he is in no way required to. 


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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/19/2009 12:29 PM   
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First thing get some signs that spell things out in plain English. Those are a joke. I've never seen signs that vague anywhere. Even here all the county and city parks have signs that spell out the rules. They leave nothing for "interpretation" by the users.
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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/19/2009 3:30 PM   
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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/19/2009 5:30 PM   
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Srewinkel, I have been consistent from my first post: follow the rules, don't make threats. No ''twisting the situation here.'' If you want to accuse me of that, then prove it. And before I provided you with some information, you said something to the effect that you didn't realize one could be arrested for threats. Now you know, and apparently agree with me. Even if I haven't changed your opinion, I was able to learn ya' somethin'. Glad I could help.

Alway knew you could be arrested for making constant threats, didn't realized that Florida, and many other states i'm sure, became so liberal that I could be arrested for telling some guy to leave me alone before I beat on him like a toy drum.

the twisting of words you due is making arguments to the extreme, and only using the context you want. It is a very simple tactic. yes it is against the law to make threats, but do you arrest or hand out citations to parents THREATENING to spank their kids?
Or to anyone driving down the road and flips someone off when they cut them off? At what point do these THREATS become worthy of law enforcement getting involved?

I'm not trying to change your opinion on anything. You think that if there is a freq board you should take a pin, and post your AMA card. I as others here, continue to state that there is no LAW anywhere that states that one MUST post there card. Is it a rule at SOME fields probably yes. Is it LAW at this field in question? obviously not. Is it a RULE for club members to follow. YES, is it LAW non members must follow, NO. Those are the very simple facts, what you believe should be LAW does not pertain to what FCMG has to do. I agree he should of posted his card, but he is in no way required to.


Srewinkel, put together some of my quotes, in the context they were made, and make a case for your claim. Otherwise, you have no claim. Do you understand that? I am saying to you that unless you can prove I have twisted others' comments, including the OP's, or even yours, into meanings which they, or you, did not intend, based upon what I understood them to mean, I am calling you a liar. So, make your case about my twisting, or shut up about it.

I said early on, based on what the OP told us, and now based on the signage, that it is clear to me that the AMA card rule posted, and the fact there are frequency boards on which to post them, means to me, and apparently everyone else using that field, except one guy, (and some here), that you post your card.
That is what I have meant by "common sense". The OP has stated that everyone (common), has chosen to interpret the signage (sense), to mean post their AMA cards on one of the boards, save for one guy.

I have never said the signs say specifically to post the card, because until a few posts ago, I had never seen the signs.
And upon seeing them, I will agree that, no, the signs do not specifically say to put the AMA card on a board. And my earlier analogy about the porta-pot, was meant to show that the common man using this field, would not need to be specifically told to use it, nor need to be specifically told to post the card on the board, and is borne out by the fact that, according to the OP, he has had no trouble with anyone else interpreting the signs, except for the one guy.

And if you really think that in these times, with common "road rage" incidents, someone "flipping the bird" at another driver is not worthy of involvement by law enforcement, then I'll ask you to recall my "which way is up" comment made to you earlier.

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/19/2009 11:02 PM   
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How old are you 804 ? if you don't mind me asking that is.

Try this once more. The flying field is a county park? right ? YES

OK then

The county allows RC models to fly there. Right ? Right

One rule, Have AMA. Right? Right

Ok a bunch of guys want to start a club and make all sorts of rules Right?? RIGHT!!!

The general public DOES NOT NEED TO ADHERE TO ANY OF THEM !!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE


One last thought and I'll be done with this thread

WHO PUT UP THE FREQUENCY BOARD ?

THe county of the "hall monitor" club ?

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/19/2009 11:48 PM   
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Ok a bunch of guys want to start a club and make all sorts of rules Right?? RIGHT!!!

What, "all sorts of rules" are you talking about?

The general public DOES NOT NEED TO ADHERE TO ANY OF THEM !!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 12:00 AM   
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I think this thread will be locked down soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 12:01 AM   
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No leave it open it keeps them off the streets.
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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 12:45 AM   
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Here is a whole new spin to consider. I am not sure if it has been brought up yet as this thread is tough to keep up on..

What if a non member that ALLEGEDLY has an AMA card crashes a gas plane into someone, or their new car? Causing SERIOUS damage or death?

If he doesn't really have a card...I doubt that the AMA will retroactively enroll him.

If he DOES have a card are there rules the AMA requires being ignored enough to void the insurance?

I guess I really don't know how many guidelines are required.

Actually I am shocked the AMA rules even allow a setup like this ...

Not trying to rile anyone, I am just curious , the devil is always in the details.

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 1:25 AM   
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Srewinkel, put together some of my quotes, in the context they were made, and make a case for your claim. Otherwise, you have no claim. Do you understand that? I am saying to you that unless you can prove I have twisted others' comments, including the OP's, or even yours, into meanings which they, or you, did not intend, based upon what I understood them to mean, I am calling you a liar. So, make your case about my twisting, or shut up about it

I don't think i ever said you twisted other peoples words, if i did i don't recall.  i'm saying your twisting the situation to fit your argument. 
your which way is up comment is your way of twisting things around. I asked you to clarify the question on perspective and you only come back that some people don't know which way is up.  I only assume you were speaking of me.  Your twisting the rule of having, into your opinion to must post.  and how many people in the country get flipped off in relation to people getting shot or beat up in road rage??  And true road rage, not some gang related or domestic dispute involving a vehicle.  Sadly the signs do not prove your position on this matter. Your making common sense analogy in relation to the population is un credible. just because most people in an area, or park is doing something doesn't make it ok because it is common sense.
No where in the signs does it say you must post your card on provided freq board, for you to say it doesn't matter,  is clearly a twisting of the rules and laws to fit your needs and wants. 

This thread is over it is clear we have people that believe that they are all knowing and all people should follow with out question.  


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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 1:41 AM   
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16 pages, 392 posts! Wow!! Why?

Let's say I'm the FCMG. I'm flying my airplane on 2.4 Ghz at this flying field in a city park which has rules posted, good, bad; or indifferent. The signs says I must have my AMA card. A person approaches me that I've talked to before at the park, asking if I have my AMA card. My natural instinct is to get out my wallet and show the guy my AMA card! Like someone else said, I'm there to fly!

End of story!

Why would I get mad and even if I felt ill treated, why would I threaten anybody?

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 1:50 AM   
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Here is a whole new spin to consider. I am not sure if it has been brought up yet as this thread is tough to keep up on..

What if a non member that ALLEGEDLY has an AMA card crashes a gas plane into someone, or their new car? Causing SERIOUS damage or death?

If he doesn't really have a card...I doubt that the AMA will retroactively enroll him.

If he DOES have a card are there rules the AMA requires being ignored enough to void the insurance?

I guess I really don't know how many guidelines are required.

Actually I am shocked the AMA rules even allow a setup like this ...

Not trying to rile anyone, I am just curious , the devil is always in the details.


This is not a AMA issue. Its the parks and rec problem. Public land open to the public. They have allowed flying at a site with no clear rules as far operation. There is one fellow who has taken it upon himself ( with no clear authority by the county to enforce the vague rules). His club officers wont even back him up. This is a bad situation with problems on the horizon.
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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 1:52 AM   
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Let's say I'm the FCM. I'm flying my airplane on 2.4 Ghz at this flying field in a city park which has rules posted, good, bad; or indifferent. The signs says I must have my AMA card. A person approaches me that I've talked to before at the park, asking if I have my AMA card. My natural instinct is to get out my wallet and show the guy my AMA card! 


you are right in your assumption. lets say that same guy asked you again in a few weeks, then again in another few weeks.  The club guy knew he had a current card, he signed him up.


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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 3:09 AM   
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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 7:02 PM   
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NO-this thread is not over-I just posted-

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/20/2009 10:59 PM   
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How old are you 804 ? if you don't mind me asking that is.

Try this once more. The flying field is a county park? right ? YES

OK then

The county allows RC models to fly there. Right ? Right

One rule, Have AMA. Right? Right

Ok a bunch of guys want to start a club and make all sorts of rules Right?? RIGHT!!!

The general public DOES NOT NEED TO ADHERE TO ANY OF THEM !!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE


One last thought and I'll be done with this thread

WHO PUT UP THE FREQUENCY BOARD ?

THe county of the ''hall monitor'' club ?

If the club has an exclusive use contract with the county to manage the field the public does have to obey the club rules.

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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/21/2009 12:31 AM   
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Your assuming on that. Its public land for public use.
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RE: How to handle a difficult pilot! - 11/21/2009 2:06 AM  1 votes
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If the club has an exclusive use contract with the county to manage the field the public does have to obey the club rules.

Actually, if the club indeed does have exclusive use, then the public could not fly there...if not then it would not be exclusive...would it????

This is obviously a public field and not (key word coming up!) exclusive (only) to the club...therefore the club as well as the public follow the County rules...of course, the club can exact more and more and more…rules on the club...but not on the public...just the club. Why would anyone have a problem with that???


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