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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 3/1/2004 6:12:19 AM   
RENORACER



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Status: offline 		Well Wildman, looks like we are in the same boat as far as the cabanes go. I have a lot of old wire gear pieces that were never used, hopefully I can finaly use some of them. (got a box full) Time to make some jig's and drag out the torch's I guess. Let me know if you find anyone that makes them. Sure would be a time saver.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 3/1/2004 11:36:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		HI Reno,
I ended up making my own today at work, (we are really slow right now) ill take soem pics and if you want i can make you a set, i am a welder by trade, so i cut and bent and welded mine together, i made jigs up for them while i was at it, if you are interested, email me, or pm me, i was gonna make a set or 2 anyway, since no one else is making them , i was thinking i could make a little money on teh side, anyway, let me know if you want a set, it will take a day or 2 to make them, and i would only charge you for the material and the shipping. Bill

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 3/5/2004 2:17:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Wildman,

Thanks for the offer, would love to see pics of your cabanes. sent you a pm about them.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 3/5/2004 4:03:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Reno, just waiting to get the camera back, hope to have it this weekend. I'll get pics asap, any one else want cabanes for the plane? apparently no one is making them anymore, the guy on wendell's website that was doing it is no longer around, and when i asked wendell about them he gave me an webaddress, and no reply after 3 tries and 2 weeks, i have made a jig for them so they are all straight, and i weld for a living so they are solid. Just let me know.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 3/11/2004 2:14:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here are the pics of my cabanes,

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 3/12/2004 2:55:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cabanes look good. I planed on using wood and glass over the wires to give them the airfoil shape. would probably be easier than trying to split and wrap around the preformed aluminum.

Have you mounted the wing and checked incidence yet? Would like to see a pic of the upper wing mounted if you could. (with the new cabanes)

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 3/13/2004 11:25:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		yep, i had the wing mounted and checked the incidence before i glued and bolted the cabanes down, i will take some pics this week.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 2/18/2005 9:21:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are any of you guys still here on this bird? I'm getting ready to start mine so I may ask for advice along the way.

I'm going to lighten where I can without resorting to carbon technology (keeping it simple, just holes in shaping structures, maybe built of tail). Perhaps a bit more elevator? Or a touch more aileron on the inboard edge? Not looking for full 3D, just more capable than scale. Handling similar to my Super Stinker which needs more elevator than it has to get a good sink. What is the potential for this airplane if I do what to it? I'll hear all suggestions.

DA100 will power it, or 3W75 if the weight will result in unlimited vertical performance. I have my cut kit and all the little pieces...I just need to stuff radio into two ARFs and then its time to smell the wood...mmm!

One starting question is where is the good CG and what is the CG tendency with your motor choice and servo locations? Any lead needed that I can avoid?

Wildman, do you still want to make a cabane?

Mark

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 2/19/2005 6:04:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		HI Mark,

My Pitts project got put on hold for a while. I am planing on starting on it in the next month tho. ( built a sig citabria, a GP RV-4, and am now finishing a Midwest Super Stearman )
I did some experiments with the mahogany I was planing on using, and because the wood was very old, ( about 35 years old) the glue joints were not very strong, and the wood just splintered with just a little pressure.

I will probably be using lite ply instead. The engine I have is not the best, but is what is showed on the plans. An 80cc, 5.0 CI Air Hobbies twin. The price was right. Only $450, and it only had about 1/2 hour run time on it. Still dont know what servos I will be using or where they will be located.

I plan on stick building all tail pieces in stead of using solid balsa to save some weight, but may run dual servos on elevators and rudder.


Looking forward to getting started on it. May be in the next couple weeks.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 2/20/2005 6:38:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I'm almost done with my little ARF project so I'll be laying out the Pitts within a week or two too. I have a digital gram scale that I will use to judge what's worth lightening and what's a watse of time (a couple of hours for a few grams is not my thing). I plan on starting with the main segments and deciding upon control surface size lastly. I did not think to check if the DA100 will fit inside of the cowl. I really do not want external spark plugs! I'll have my digital camera going throughout the whole thing. I'm like to write manuals when time permits (and now I have NOTHING BUT TIME, and the Pitts, and a Carden Edge, and a Double Vision, and a Mini Cosmos, and a Hydeaway, and a Synergy, and a Synergy 3D 140, and Synergy 90, a couple of other thing small and large, and virtualy all of the little pieces parts to make them go, awaiting table space).

I'm thinking of putting a halogen over the table and a webcam. Should I build on webcam? I'd have to remember not to pick my nose or scratch my behind. I have 12 hours a day to build between restoring the staircase and leveling the attic floor, replacing a floor here and there...no hurry for those household things.

Mark

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 2/20/2005 11:52:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		WOW,

Sounds like you have a lot of things to do to keep you busy. The DA 100 may just barley fit in the cowl. I just measured mine and it is about 11 5/8" wide at about 3" from the front, and slightly wider as it goes tward the back.

Web cam pics would be good, (if you can edit the stuff you dont want any one to see).
But digital pics of the build would be just as good. Maybe build a web site dedicated to the project.

I too have many other projects waiting. Midwest 80" Citabria, Goldberg Super Chipmonk, Midwest Sukhoi, Sig Sumthin Extra, Spirit 100 Sailplane, and have plans for Hostetlers 127" Cub, & the Skybolt, also for Bud Nosens Gere Sport Bi-Plane, (the big one), 1/4 scale Aeronca Champ, and Telemaster Sr. plans.

Really want to get going on the pitts next, (esspecialy since I now have most of what I need to finish it.) The only thing I am lacking is the servos and linkage.

David

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 2/21/2005 5:06:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good idea a website. Never done one. I'll get good photo documentation. I wrote a veritible book on patternship building a couple of years ago in the F3A forum and then actually converted the text and about 150 photos into a highly detailed building manual for ZN one piece winged airplanes. I loved doing it. Perhaps that is the good way for me.

I should be starting this week.

Mark


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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 2/26/2005 5:58:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it's started. Nothing interesting. Layed out and trued my board, pinned and joined the top wing main spar and center shear spar joiner with a nice slow epoxy, put a few 5/8th holes in the balsa ribs for the top wing with a sharpened brass tube. Waste of time...more for the subconscience than any real weight removal...4 grams total. I'm collecting all removed wood for weighing afterwards, it might add up to a reasonable figure or just show a real waste of time. It depends upon what I can do with the aircraft-ply parts. The firewall is extrordinarily heavy. Once the initial joint is dry, it looks like all of a few hours to align ribs, get the spars in and sheet the top wing. The bottom wing will take an extra hour or two due to more complex shear webbing on the dihedral braces. After a few years of building Kevlar/Carbon F3A airplane and hammering together ARFs, I actually forgot to have my t-pins out on the bench...I had to find them...ouch! I almost forgot what wood was!!! I'll start the photos before I continue. The wings seem to be too simple. A friend and pilot extraordinaire is going to come and view and advise on any good updates to wring max performance. We have discussed extending the ailerons a couple of rib-bays rootwards...the 11B already has a more effective rudder being squared off as it is. I'm not a big scale buff about aerobatic models (sorry Wendell) so I'm going for modernized performance without sliding canopy rails, heroically hidden servos, or other scale niceties that are wonderful but weighty. I'll save that kind of work for the future F-4U, my childhood dream warbird (the Black Sheep Squadron generation!). Lastly, I do plan on that neon orange/yellow/green scheme. I love it. LOVE IT. Bob Banka has the views but that's for well down the road. I plan on framing the Pitts and my Carden before I even visit the hobby shop for Oracover.
Its dinner time!!!

More to come.

Mark


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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 2/26/2005 10:30:52 PM   
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