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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 1/8/2007 9:44:02 PM   
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Hi Guys, 1st post here, so hopefully I get this right.

Looking at the lack of recent responses I may be flogging a dead horse here but I’m curious to see how these projects got on? Pic’s of the completed planes? Completed weights? Flight performance with the engines you all fitted?

I’ve just ordered a set of plans from Wendell the other day, and have sent off emails to both suppliers for the cabane struts with no responses so far. Wendell confirmed that the suppliers listed on his site for the cabanes are still correct, but I’m not holding my breath based on what you others have experienced with them. I’ll order all the other bits once the plans arrive. I’ve got a Zenoah GT80 that’ll be going in this, Wendell has said this’ll be fine. I’m not looking for 3D performance.

I should also point out that at this stage I’m just gathering parts and information for the project in preparation for when I get to it. I’m currently building my own version of the Bruce Tharpe Venture 60 – I’ve blown it up to 82” for a Zenoah 26. This is to serve as my introduction to gas power. Then I have a 25% Fokker DR1 all ready to start on, this will also be scratch built from plans for a Zenoah 26. Then the Pitts, so it's a while away yet ...

If there’s any interest I’ll post up my build pics etc, on this thread to keep all the info on this plane in one place.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 1/16/2007 10:13:02 AM   
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Well, no responses from the previous builders, I even PM'd them with no luck - I guess they've moved on. Anyway the plans turned up late last week, and she's a big one all right - for me anyway. It's not so much the length and span as the bulk. It looks like a fairly straight forward build and I can see a few areas I can modify for lighter weight when the time comes. There's 2 positions shown on the plan for the engine location - a forward one for engines under 7lb and another one 1/2in back for engines over 7lb. The GT80 weighs 7lb 13oz, so this coupled with the weight I can save in the fuse and tail means I may mount the engine a little further back still.

I never got a response from the suppliers of the cabanes (Likes Line & Bob Shattleroe), so I guess they don't want my business. Never mind, their loss, the cabanes look easy enough to make myself. I've just ordered the Cowl, Spats, and Canopy which may take a fortnight or so to get here as they have to be made 1st. I've also sent off an email to the supplier of the landing gear to arrange purchase of that.

I'm also looking for a 5" P51 spinner. The Tru-Turn one is $173 for the spinner, adapter, and backplate mod - that's $250 of my currency plus postage - I'm not paying that. Tower has the Dave Brown one for $58 or $83 in my currency plus postage - that's more like it. Does anyone have any comments on these spinners or suggestions of other alternatives and where they can be got.

Cheers

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 1/16/2007 2:31:49 PM   
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WOW!! Guess its been a while since I started this thread. I havent been here in a while due to Life getting in the way. Bought a new house, got moved in and had a Heart Attack 3 weeks later. Had to have 2 stents put in the right side of my heart to open up the veins so blood would flow.

Any way, I got the fuselage, tail, and lower wing done on my Pitts. All except the front deck around the cabane area. Going to have to build my own I guess, as I got the same response as you.(none) Dont have much time to work on it tho. as I am working 6 days a week, and in my spare time I am studying to get my pilot's license. Its something I have always wanted to do. I also plan on building a real airplane. A KR2S from Rand Robinson. Hope to start on it by mid to late summer.

Good Luck of your Pitts Project Fokker fan, and let us know how its going. Post pics if you can.

David

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 1/17/2007 10:25:30 AM   
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Yeah life does that from time to time. Sounds like life threw a pretty good curve ball your way, but good you got through it OK. It sounds like you’ve got a pretty full plate at the moment too. Good luck with the license and the full size plane, it looks a like cool wee plane with a decent performance.

Thanks for getting back to me, and yep I’ll be writing up my build on here with pics when I get it started, but as I said earlier I’ve got a couple of other projects to get done 1st. Likewise you be sure to let us know how you get on with the completion of the Pitts if/when you find the time for it again. I’ll be checking on this thread from time to time until I get mine started, if anyone else has anything to add too.

Cheers
Owen

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 1/19/2007 9:10:04 PM   
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I heard back from Bob Shattleroe RE the Cabanes. He has 3 in stock at $42.50, so I've ordered mine. Apparently the delay in my hearing back from him was due to server problems at his end.

The landing gear supplier will only accept Paypal, which I don't have, and cant be bothered getting just for one purchase. But I know someone that does have it, so I'll get that sorted next week.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 1/29/2007 7:34:20 AM   
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The landing gear arrived today, it looks good. It cost $40US plus $40US postage - I thought the postage price was a bit steep, but it only took 6 days to get here, so I guess that's what I was paying for. It would've been nice to have a choice of postage methods/prices. But on the bright side I got a nice surprise when I opened the box ... Abell RC had included a free calendar ... a swimsuit one ... mmmmmm looks good on the workshop wall

Still emailing to and fro about the Cabanes, Bob seems to be having some trouble sorting out how to post them to me. The fibreglass bits must be due here sometime soon too.

I mentioned earlier that I was planning to finish off my scaled up Venture then do a DR1 before the Pitts. Well I've decided to bring the Pitts forward and build it after the big Venture is finished. A couple of reasons for this, mainly time related. Although the Pitts is a larger plane than the DR1, the DR1 will be the longer building project as I'll be making everything for it from scratch including wheels, cowl, etc, where as I'm buying all the tricky bits for the Pitts such as cowl, canopy, landing gear, etc and the rest of the plane is a relatively straight forward build - just big. Also the Fokker will be built as true scale as I can, and true scale adds a lot of time, while the Pitts is more sports scale, so I'll enjoy getting the Pitts done and in the air then enjoy the long haul of the Fokker later. And in case you're wondering, yes I know I can get DR1 bits from Glenn Torrance Models amongst others, but I'd rather do this one all myself, that's half the fun.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 5/1/2007 8:08:25 PM   
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Hi,
Cool! I'm glad to see a semi-recent post on this thread. My S-1-11B is back on the bench after however long its been. Had a baby (actually my wife had the baby, I just did the fertilzing), built eight other airplanes, crashed one cute little ARF, replaced and leveled my second floor and staircage, sanded all the upstairs walls and repainted the house plus a dozen other things, and now I'm back to the Pitts until I don't know (next honeydo project I guess, restoring the stairs).

At this time I'm just finishing up the wings. Some changes I selected are as follows. Lightening holes in all ribs. I extended the ailerons inboard one extra bay for extra control at low speed and used thicker facings than called for on the plans for extra bevel and hinge grip. That offsets my lightening holes. I'm using one servo per aileron, no interstrut pushrod as per scale. I'm using exposed servos mounted on birch rails tied into light ply ribs 1" inboard of the strut rib. That gives me pushrod attachment just outboard from the center of the airleron. I'm going to use 3mm hard ply tabs and short blind-nuts from MP-Jet for strut attachment instead of the brass and bolts and nuts listed on the plans for ease of field assembly. I have four bipes and I like field assembly to be as easy as possible. I should have the wings sanded and hinged (not covered, that will be much later as I'm now torn between flames that I saw on an S2 and the original green/orange/powder blue, dark blue, etc...OMIGOD where did they dream that up) later this week and then I'll put them on the scale to see how they came out as far as weight is concerned. I have a big aluminum sanding board and I'm going to reduce the entire thickness of the sheeting a bit to drop some weight (its overbuilt anyway). That should kill an afternoon nicely. Once that is finished, I'll lay out the fuselage plan and see what weight can be removed. I have a 3W75 sitting around doing nothing and if I feel that the wings are light enough and that the fuselage can come in reasonable, I may plan on that motor instead of the DA100. 24 pounds would be just unlimited on that motor but 24 pounds is asking a lot on this frame. I don't yet know when I have to make the engine decision during the fuselage build, its dependant on the cannister installation. There is lots of room so stuffing in one is easy but two needs more planning. Covering, someday, will be Oracover with auto-laquer on the fiberglass parts. There will be no cockpit or pilot, just an instrument panel if it seems necessary. I have not made a decision on the tail controls as to whether or not they should be enlarged. My Super Stinker does great with normal size tail surfaces and quite moderate throws so I'm thinking per plan on that. However, I'll cross that bridge when I get there as I hate being short on control effectiveness after the airplane is all finished and pretty. I just took a peek at the plans and perhaps an angled counterbalance on elevators might work and not look at all bad. A few holes lined with carbon ribbon would lighten up the tail nicely and keep it nice and stiff. I have all the fiberglass pieces but I'll be bending my own cabanes (brother-in-law has a very nice metal bender) and I'm not sure what I'm going to do for a landing gear. Maybe Abel (a nice girly calender sounds good to me), maybe beg one of the metalsmiths at the club where we have real bluecollar expertise in a wide variety of skills.

Anyway, that's where I am now. I'll probably be far behind again as I'm flying almost everyday now. This week the wind is just blowing like crazy (trees are really bending hard) though, so I'll get those wings done for sure. All I have left is cutting out one last aileron, facing it out, cap strips and sanding until everything is straight, even, level, and lighter, plus hinging, beveling and a dry run fitting on horns and servos.

I'll check back later in the week or next year :-)

Regards,
Mark

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 5/2/2007 6:16:56 PM   
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OK, top wing is cap stripped and ailerons cut away. I did a rough sanding on it and have a few spots to fill. I placed it on the scale and have 815 grams. Still to be done is beveling the ailerons and hinging and cutting some big holes into the wingtip slabs and rounding of the edges which should result in losing another 50 grams or so. All in all I believe that the top wing should get in at around 2.2 pounds, covered with servos and linkages. I think the bottom wing is a little more but I plan on lightening those wingtips also. If I can keep the wings under 5 pounds total then the finished weight look promising. They are lighter than the POS Double Vision wings, but that is not really hard to imagine. I'll have a few days of detailing out the final sanding and filling and then I'm going to wrap them carefully in bubblewrap and place them in the wing rack ready for final fitting after the fuselage is ready.

Regards,
Mark

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 5/3/2007 10:30:58 AM   
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Cool, good to see you back on here. Be sure to keep up the pics, I'm watching with interest. I've had the plans out a few times since I got them and have been comparing them to pics of the fullsize. The fullsize appears to have ailerons of greater chord and extended further inboard, so you're right to do the same. The tail surfaces seem about right. I should be starting on making patterns and cutting wood in about a months time.

Oh, and thanks for the PM

Cheers
Owen

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 7/2/2007 5:15:08 PM   
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Well, throughout all the distractions of 8 weeks perfect flying weather, I got a little bit done. I really thought I'd get it much faster but I had three other almost done really good airplanes that I snuck by the Pitts.

Anyway, here are a few photos of wings and some fuse sides ready to start building. I'm cutting holes per plan plus a few more here and there. I'm hoping for 22 pounds. If I can spend some time in the basement, the fuse looks really easy to build. Can't say how long I'll take, but I'll snap a photo every step of the way on the fuselage.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 7/4/2007 12:09:48 PM   
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It's looking good Mark. Keep up the good work and the photo's, there's still interest out here. As far as the size of control surfaces goes and a lot of other details, you can do pretty much whatever you want and still be scale as the fullsize is often a homebuilt and therefore built slightly differently by each builder. As you've said you're not building this to enter a scale competition. Hopefully I've attached 6 photos of the fullsize plane to show what I mean ...

1 Small Ailerons, Elevator & Rudder tip balance extensions
2 Small Ailerons, Larger Rudder, Standard Elevators
3 Extended Top & Bottom Ailerons, Larger Rudder & Fin, Standard Elevators
4 Enlarged Rudder & Fin
5 Extended Bottom Ailerons, Top Ailerons also Extended but not as much as Bottom ones
6 This is the original Pitts S1-11 (not the B model) I like this colour scheme

They also have different cowlings, different tailwheel setups and so on, whatever the builder felt like putting on it. I like the build of the plane in photo's 4&5 with the colour scheme of photo 6.

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RE: Hostetler Pitts S1-11 - 7/4/2007 6:11:25 PM