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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/5/2010 1:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cheers,Cheers I applaud that guy for cloning lets wake up guys there is nothing wrong here.If the so called original makers of these airplanes never wanted or expected them to be cloned they would have to go around removing everyones brain,
besides the folks who work for them Maybe the prices will drop now keep cloning gyus .......keep cloning I love it DA engines ridiculous price Dle BEAUTIFUL PRICED engines and many more too many to mention I LOVE IT.LOL

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/5/2010 1:53 AM   
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Cheers,Cheers I applaud that guy for cloning lets wake up guys there is nothing wrong here.If the so called original makers of these airplanes never wanted or expected them to be cloned they would have to go around removing everyones brain,
besides the folks who work for them Maybe the prices will drop now keep cloning gyus .......keep cloning I love it DA engines ridiculous price Dle BEAUTIFUL PRICED engines and many more too many to mention I LOVE IT.LOL

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/5/2010 3:25 AM   
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Cheers,Cheers I applaud that guy for cloning lets wake up guys there is nothing wrong here.If the so called original makers of these airplanes never wanted or expected them to be cloned they would have to go around removing everyones brain,
besides the folks who work for them Maybe the prices will drop now keep cloning gyus .......keep cloning I love it DA engines ridiculous price Dle BEAUTIFUL PRICED engines and many more too many to mention I LOVE IT.LOL


Attitudes like this eventually make the people doing the REAL work stop wanting to do so. Then these people cloning airplanes will have nothing to splash, and might actually have to do their own development work. Stealing is stealing, even if you get a better deal.

Fortunately, you'll never get the kind of service from a cloned engine manufacturer that you will from Dave Johnson and his staff at Desert Aircraft.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/5/2010 3:38 AM   
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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/5/2010 4:58 AM   
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The price these guys are charging over at DA they need to be at your field and in your workshop every time there is an issue with their product

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/5/2010 5:07 AM   
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I just believe some of these guys are taking us to the cleaners in a hand basket,their products are manufactured where labour is almost 0 and they bring them back to the US and get 300% profit for 1 item then feed us again a whole lot of BS About R&d etc etc.
Clone away potential cloners .cloning will never stop be it RC or whatever else thats a way of life everyone has family to feed.Cloners love to drink champagne and eat steaks also. Uncle B will keep getting them made and shafting us so keep cloning

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/5/2010 5:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		kingtight.. I've seen the Chineese steal patents and products a plenty over the years.. I've never liked it though and I'm not persuaded its a good thing.
For the Chineese who develope their own products etc.. more power to them

Nobody can get raked over the coals unless they want to.. Its still the buyers repsonsibility to do his home work and ultimately his decision to buy or not to buy.

You understand my point about sending me some of your money? I don't know how much you have or don't have. The amount you have doesn't matter. What does matter is that its your money, not mine and I'm not entitled to it. Just as the cloners aren't entitled to the intellectual property of some one else.



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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/6/2010 7:50 AM   
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Status: online 		Ok guys, it's ok to discuss the issues dealing with clones jets. But the personal attacks, political commentay, and other off topic postings need to stop. I've stepped in and cleaned up this thread of some of this garbage. Please let's not go back down that road again.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/6/2010 4:17 PM   
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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/6/2010 9:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey how come everyone talking about cloning BVM planes ??

Arent the other planes clones too ?

I believe the crux of the matter is not BVM but the price people pay for these things. Then when someone comes out with a wayyyy lower price, the buyers get mad, hence they have to vent.
Once big money involved watch out !
I would feel bad and get angry too if I shelled out thousands for a product and then later on someone comes out with simliar product for less than half the price. Such as life.
Some of these guys wives dont know how much we spend on the hobby. Imagine how they'd think : Toy plane $7000.00 !!!! Are you mad !
But honey the designers spent many hours on R&D, shipping, and lots of sleepness nights. Incoming ! (Frying pan in the head)
After much turmoil she says either you go or I go. The man says the toy planes stays. The wife in dissarray speaks to herself in her mind: What! Who did I marry ?

This is not real and not pratical !

Where's them divorce papers.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/6/2010 10:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		No.. the real problem is someone stealing another person's work. The price is irrelevant, as is the company in question. Stealing is the real issue here, and the cloning/splashing of someone else's work is nothing but stealing.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/6/2010 10:51 PM   
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No.. the real problem is someone stealing another person's work. The price is irrelevant, as is the company in question. Stealing is the real issue here, and the cloning/splashing of someone else's work is nothing but stealing.


Agreed, IMHO buying a clone also amounts to stealing.
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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/7/2010 12:11 AM   
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Its only highlighted when big money involved.
Other than that people dont say a word !
People dont usually sweat the small stuff.


No matter what, big money or small money the principle remains the same.






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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 5/7/2010 12:59 AM   
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disagree almost everything is cloned today cars,clothes,the list goes on its just a way of life.When the smoke clears may the better product prevail simple

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 6/21/2010 9:10 PM   
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Shameful to say the least.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 6/21/2010 11:12 PM   
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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 7/28/2010 11:54 PM   
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The only thing worse than copying someone else's design for profit is being so brazenly proud of it.
Shameful to say the least.

I agree but, our world i strange....

Pharmacutical companies are protected by law during <10years after releasing a new drug after spending millions in research. Then Copy medicine is available on the same shelf in the drug store at a lower price.
Anyone here taking Non original medicine?

Moral is good, double moral twice as good......

By the way, I allways buy original products no matter what.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 7/31/2010 5:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		If someone decided to "clone" a F-100, or a A-4 or an F-16, Wouldnt that be cloning? People have been doing that since rc jets were born. Why is it ok for manufacturers to "clone" these kind of jets but the day someone clones a Bandit people go crazy. There have been many people who have cloned smaller identical versions of Bandits but no one says anything then.

I think if someone wants to put time and effort to build their own molds and produce an airplane that looks similar to a Bandit or any other airplane they have the right to do so. More power to you dude!

My two cents.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 7/31/2010 5:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guarantee you this guys "clone" will not put a dent on BV sales on his bandits. Clearly from what all you are saying here, so just leave the guy alone. If you wanna buy his jet buy it, if you dont, then dont. Plain and simple.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 7/31/2010 8:17 PM   
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Do you see my home made Bandit in lost mold technique ???

In short time I will make another version with molds.

http://picasaweb.google.com/cmjets2007/MiBandit#

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 8/1/2010 6:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me a lot depends on how much the original products cost & whether the original is an absolute rip off.

A report on television in Oz told of how Von Dutch clothing would no longer be officially distributed in Oz because of lost sales due to asian clones of their products as opposed to asian 'genuine' products.

A cloned baseball cap - $20, the 'genuine' Von Dutch baseball cap - $120. Yep, $120.

Perhaps if the manufacturers, importers, distributors, & retailers were not so outrageously greedy & sold the genuine products for
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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 8/2/2010 8:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cost has nothing to do with whether this is stealing or not. When you take someone else's work, copy it, and sell it as your own, you're stealing. Simple as that.

If people wouldn't buy the Von Dutch hat at $120, then they wouldn't be able to sell them for that amount.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 8/3/2010 12:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		So here's a scenario.....

Let's say I buy a kit from a manufacturer; I love the plane but am not too thrilled with the quality of their glass work so I use the kit fuselage/wings/stabs as a set of plugs and lay up my own molds. Using the molds I made, I now make myself a new fuselage/wings/stabs which are now lighter and stronger and the plane flies great. A buddy likes it so much, that he wants to buy one so I make and SELL him a set of wings/fuselage/stabs.

Am I stealing from the original kit manufacturer? Would that be true only if it's a sport jet that the original manufacturer designed? What if it's an F-18 for instance? The original kit manufacturer didn't design the plane, they only scaled it down. I simply used the kit as a plug.

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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 8/3/2010 1:29 AM   
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RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil - 8/3/2010 2:27 AM   
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So here's a scenario.....

Let's say I buy a kit from a manufacturer; I love the plane but am not too thrilled with the quality of their glass work so I use the kit fuselage/wings/stabs as a set of plugs and lay up my own molds. Using the molds I made, I now make myself a new fuselage/wings/stabs which are now lighter and stronger and the plane flies great. A buddy likes it so much, that he wants to buy one so I make and SELL him a set of wings/fuselage/stabs.

Am I stealing from the original kit manufacturer? Would that be true only if it's a sport jet that the original manufacturer designed? What if it's an F-18 for instance? The original kit manufacturer didn't design the plane, they only scaled it down. I simply used the kit as a plug.

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I would only consider it stealing if you put the kit in production and begain to compete with the
original kit manufacturer, However I think that would beyond the ability of most modelers in
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