Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
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Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
What parts are needed? Do you have to change the flexshaft and strut, or can you just put the collet on the engine?
Who sells the needed parts?
TIA!
Who sells the needed parts?
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
I changed to the square drive collet and then bought a custom solderless flex cable from Warehouse Hobbies. You'll need to change out the strut bushings as well, they can help with that also.
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
I done the same as Peerpsi. The part that really sucks about it is having to order the flex shaft after you get all the other parts. I will post a list of everything I ordered a little later.
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
When you make this change you will be switching to 1/4" prop shaft. WHH makes you order all the parts except flex shaft. Once you install your new parts you can measure how long the flex needs to be and then order it? I figured out how long mine needed to be and told them to send me that length (They really did not want to do this but they did). I had them square off the ends a little further just in case it was to long I could cut t off.
You will need:
Flex shaft
1/4" Drive dog
1/4" Prop shaft
1/4" Pro nuts (2)
Thrust washers
Square collect
Solderless ferrule
1/4" Strut bushings (I got this at first and have now switched to a 5/16" brake line from the automotive store. Not sure how this is going to work but it is the full length of the strut instead of just on the ends. I drilled the hole out also so I can shoot a little grease in it).
PS: If I had t to do over I'm not sure I would go solderless? I think getting a round collect, welded prop/flex shaft from accu tech. Then you get the 5/16" brake line put it through your strut and into the end of your stuffing tube (this makes it all solid). You also would not need to wait on the flex shaft since it is round. You will get one that is way to long and you'll cut it whatever you need it? You would still need drive dog, prop nut, and round collect. You would also need to give more gap between the strut and the drive dog (1/4"). The down side to this is if you break a flexshaft you los everything in the lake.
You will need:
Flex shaft
1/4" Drive dog
1/4" Prop shaft
1/4" Pro nuts (2)
Thrust washers
Square collect
Solderless ferrule
1/4" Strut bushings (I got this at first and have now switched to a 5/16" brake line from the automotive store. Not sure how this is going to work but it is the full length of the strut instead of just on the ends. I drilled the hole out also so I can shoot a little grease in it).
PS: If I had t to do over I'm not sure I would go solderless? I think getting a round collect, welded prop/flex shaft from accu tech. Then you get the 5/16" brake line put it through your strut and into the end of your stuffing tube (this makes it all solid). You also would not need to wait on the flex shaft since it is round. You will get one that is way to long and you'll cut it whatever you need it? You would still need drive dog, prop nut, and round collect. You would also need to give more gap between the strut and the drive dog (1/4"). The down side to this is if you break a flexshaft you los everything in the lake.
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
Running a standard welded stub shaft up into a round collet makes things a lot simpler. It is the way 95% of boats are done. Loosen the collet and pull the whole shaft straight out the back to grease it.
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
Daniel,
Where did you get all your parts?
Do you have an idea of what can be gained in speed by losing the clutch?
Thanks!
Where did you get all your parts?
Do you have an idea of what can be gained in speed by losing the clutch?
Thanks!
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
So how much different is the driving when clutchless?
Can you let off the gas and let the boat stop, or will it stall?
What about in turns if you lift completely?
Can you let off the gas and let the boat stop, or will it stall?
What about in turns if you lift completely?
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
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So how much different is the driving when clutchless?
Can you let off the gas and let the boat stop, or will it stall?
What about in turns if you lift completely?
So how much different is the driving when clutchless?
Can you let off the gas and let the boat stop, or will it stall?
What about in turns if you lift completely?
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
Here is a link for the parts.
http://www.accu-techrchardware.com/
http://www.accu-techrchardware.com/
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
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Running a standard welded stub shaft up into a round collet makes things a lot simpler. It is the way 95% of boats are done. Loosen the collet and pull the whole shaft straight out the back to grease it.
Running a standard welded stub shaft up into a round collet makes things a lot simpler. It is the way 95% of boats are done. Loosen the collet and pull the whole shaft straight out the back to grease it.
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
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Where do you get 5/16'' Brass tubing?
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Running a standard welded stub shaft up into a round collet makes things a lot simpler. It is the way 95% of boats are done. Loosen the collet and pull the whole shaft straight out the back to grease it.
Running a standard welded stub shaft up into a round collet makes things a lot simpler. It is the way 95% of boats are done. Loosen the collet and pull the whole shaft straight out the back to grease it.
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
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It takes some getting use to. You will need to try an set the idle up high so it will idle in and then push trigger forward to kill motor. My JR controller that came with the oat was hard to do this. I bought a new futuba and it has a lot more forward throw for killing the motor. If you still have a stock clutch you just as well get rid of it and get use to running without a clutch. Or you can get a good clutch from I think BH Hanson.
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So how much different is the driving when clutchless?
Can you let off the gas and let the boat stop, or will it stall?
What about in turns if you lift completely?
So how much different is the driving when clutchless?
Can you let off the gas and let the boat stop, or will it stall?
What about in turns if you lift completely?
I have PLENTY of throw with my DX3S Marine radio for the engine kill. I can idle it up and let it rip. I would just assume keep the clutch if its only worth 1 mph or so. More than that and its gotta go!
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
I really not sure clutchless is good for? You will get your speeds when you get a good 3 blade prop and find the sweet spot on the strut. After you find the strut's sweet spot play with the pipe length.
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
Most every hobby store will have the 5/16" brass tubing and most better hardware stores carry it. Not Home Depot or Lowes but your local corner stores. You can buy it from most of the vendors listed in the manufacturers links section you just have to ask as most do not list it. I would guess because the difficulty in shipping it. But most will accomodate you and find a mailer tube to put it in.
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
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So how much different is the driving when clutchless?
Can you let off the gas and let the boat stop, or will it stall?
What about in turns if you lift completely?
So how much different is the driving when clutchless?
Can you let off the gas and let the boat stop, or will it stall?
What about in turns if you lift completely?
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
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Got a 3 blade coming.
6717/3 with some tweaks
Got a 3 blade coming.
6717/3 with some tweaks
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
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Now we are talking. I got mine from Dasboata. Now your mission is to figure out that strut height. When you do you will be in the 50's.
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Got a 3 blade coming.
6717/3 with some tweaks
Got a 3 blade coming.
6717/3 with some tweaks
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
Got all the stuff coming from Remy at Aeromarine.
Long 1/4" shaft, round collet, new strut bushings, 1/4 drive dog, and some copper tubing from Mcmaster Carr for 5$ (3 ft)!
How much gap do you run at the strut, 1/4"
Also, what are you doing with the gap between the collet and stock stuffing tube?
Thanks for the help! I'll likely set it up, run the clutch, and then swap it out at the lake for a back to back test to see what its worth in rpm and speed!
Long 1/4" shaft, round collet, new strut bushings, 1/4 drive dog, and some copper tubing from Mcmaster Carr for 5$ (3 ft)!
How much gap do you run at the strut, 1/4"
Also, what are you doing with the gap between the collet and stock stuffing tube?
Thanks for the help! I'll likely set it up, run the clutch, and then swap it out at the lake for a back to back test to see what its worth in rpm and speed!
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
So you guys have the solid 1/4" propshaft suspended in the brass tubing, with just grease?
Does that work OK?
Peer and dock, what did you do to make up the gap from the strut to oem tube? Did you use tubing like daniel?
Got my stuff today, except for the brass. Should be here tomorrow.
Looks like using the long brass from strut to tube would make the strut height very hard to adjjust??????
Does that work OK?
Peer and dock, what did you do to make up the gap from the strut to oem tube? Did you use tubing like daniel?
Got my stuff today, except for the brass. Should be here tomorrow.
Looks like using the long brass from strut to tube would make the strut height very hard to adjjust??????
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RE: Going clutchless on Blackjack 55
ORIGINAL: philip clemmons
So you guys have the solid 1/4'' propshaft suspended in the brass tubing, with just grease?
Does that work OK?
Peer and dock, what did you do to make up the gap from the strut to oem tube? Did you use tubing like daniel?
Got my stuff today, except for the brass. Should be here tomorrow.
Looks like using the long brass from strut to tube would make the strut height very hard to adjjust??????
So you guys have the solid 1/4'' propshaft suspended in the brass tubing, with just grease?
Does that work OK?
Peer and dock, what did you do to make up the gap from the strut to oem tube? Did you use tubing like daniel?
Got my stuff today, except for the brass. Should be here tomorrow.
Looks like using the long brass from strut to tube would make the strut height very hard to adjjust??????