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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 3:49:50 AM

Goku

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To me, I would consider "flying outlaw" as not taking appropriate safety precautions each and every time one flys .... For the most part, that would simply be following AMA's safety regulations (which I fully support)....

(When you used the word "outlaw"-- to me, it implied an action that was unlawful.)

I just wanted to know what your take on it was- that's all.

I kinda have mixed opinions on the AMA.... I really don't have much confidence in the whole insurance part of it... I have never heard of someone who has used it successfully (either they never have needed it, or when they did, AMA didn't cover it). I'm indifferent to the magazine. (some like it, some don't, I think its ok, but I don't think its the "cat's meow..."

But I DO support the fact that the AMA HAS taken those steps to develop our existing safety regulations, they have worked to provide us with the channels we have...not to mention how they organize and regulate many different events for all types of pilots...

(I'm always broke and so I'm probably just trying to justify my not having forked over the cash the last couple of years to join AMA.)

I think this whole "toy" issue that everyone has gotten so worked up about is complete nonsense :

....Its just semantics...!!! whether someone wants to call it a toy or not it is up to them... my friend calls his air compressor his "toy" ...so what?
The important part is that we all understand the potential danger that these airplanes impose and that we respect that danger by taking appropriate safety precautions- which, for the most part, I believe we all do.

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 4:04:54 AM

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I completly agree with you on the AMA issue, except I do belong,(club requires it). As far as the outlaw issue, it just grinds on me when someone takes an I-DON'T CARE attitude when it involves other people's safety. I'm directing that statement toward another , not yourself

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 5:14:22 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Buz^
THINK ABOUT IT Goku, it isn't against the law , NOT! to belong to the AMA. In case I'm not on the same page , please tell me what you consider to be flying outlaw,To me, flying an rc aircraft (FUEL POWERD ENGINE) in a residential area or inside the city limits would be against the law, WRXlovr, I was under the impression that your not old enough to drive , so tell me what you know about auto insurance? PS: AND PLEASE DON'T PM ME AND CURSE LIKE A DRUNKEN PLUMBER AGAIN, IT SHOW'S NO CLASS AND IMMATURITY [/QUOTE] How would you know how old I am? Im not saying how old i am but my insurance for my 1998 pontiac trans am is 388 a month with no tickets or anything.I can get a pic of my car,along with my registration, liscense or whatever.

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 5:19:12 AM

Goku

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$388 a month?

Sucks to be you.

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 5:26:35 AM

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yea i know ,insurance is a rip down here

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 5:29:48 AM

Buz^

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Well it's like this WRX, you talk like a punk, your e-mail's are crude and full of curssing, showing a general LACK of maturity. So what did you expect. And GOKU 388 a month,naw, it sux to be dad

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 5:37:22 AM

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388 a month? no record? com'on

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 5:40:13 AM

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I guess daddy bought him the car with the stipulation that he paid for the insurance!

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 5:55:59 AM

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>>How would you know how old I am? Im not saying how old i am but my insurance for my 1998 pontiac trans am is 388 a month with no tickets or anything.I can get a pic of my car,along with my registration, liscense or whatever.<<

Hell that's more than I pay for 2 cars for 3 months. but then I am an old married fart driving practical cars. Almost makes AMA insurance sound like chicken feed.

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 6:18:35 AM

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quote:

I think this whole "toy" issue that everyone has gotten so worked up about is complete nonsense ....Its just semantics...!!! whether someone wants to call it a toy or not it is up to them... my friend calls his air compressor his "toy" ...so what?
The important part is that we all understand the potential danger that these airplanes impose and that we respect that danger by taking appropriate safety precautions- which, for the most part, I believe we all do.

One of the toys I work on every day is a 4 million dollar jet engine that weighs 4,448 pounds, burns 90,000 pounds of fuel/hour and delivers 30,000 pounds of thrust...and I'm paid to do it! One slip up, and it's lights out.

One of my toys is a 5 pound model airplane that could go right through yours, mine, or anyone else's skull.

One of my toys is a Rossi .38 caliber revolver, and if you show up at my house in the middle of the night I'll show it to you first hand.

One of my toys mows my grass nice and pretty, but has the power to cut a hand or a foot clean off.

One of my favorite toys was made by Schwinn...but one moment of carelessness while riding it, and I'm squashed like a bug.

One of my toys assists me in cutting out model airplane parts, but also has the power to cut a finger off in a fraction of a second.

One of my toys gets me to work and to the flying field...but if I take an "I don't care attitude", can get me a one way ticket to the morgue real fast.

I live in my biggest toy. Yet I can think of an assortment of ways to blow it up or burn it down by not paying attention...and I might be in it!

I love my toys. I cannot be complacent with them though. I must be alert and on guard at all time while playing with my toys. They must be registered and properly insured. I must know all the safety features and precautions. I must know their operation, have completed the proper training, and be totally confident of my ability to operate them, especially when others are present. Why be so anal about my toys? Simple. Because I don't want someone else reading about what happened to me and one of my toys in tomorrow's newspaper. I want to keep playing with them.

I used to have a care free attitude. I also used to fly "outlaw" (no AMA). It's amazing what happens as you grow older and experience things. I've lost several friends to the mis-use of toys. Toys just like mine. I've been lucky. It was me reading the newspaper.

I've had three close calls and witness many at the flying field in the last 26 years. A fraction of a second or several feet either way and they would have made the next day's paper. My buddy is lucky his wife was watching the sky on one of those, or she would have been listed in the paper the next day. The railroad tie she was sitting on was actually dented right where she was sitting a fraction of a second earlier. The .60 sized engine in the plane that came straight down at full power did not survive.

I don't fly "outlaw" anymore, and I even read the magazine every month. The yearly fee is nothing. I used to blow that easy on a night on the town every weekend...sometimes not even remembering how me and one of my toys found our way back home. But then that was a long time ago, and I was just one of the lucky ones.

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 7:35:53 AM

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Well put my friend, nicely said. I agree that they can be called "toys" but proper respect is necesary. People need to respect theses things! As for WRXLovr, YOU ARE A JERK.
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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 7:52:04 AM

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[QUOTE]have never heard of someone who has used it successfully (either they never have needed it, or when they did, AMA didn't cover it[/QUOTE] I'd like to know the details of those instances where "AMA didn't cover it."

The only instances I've ever heard of were those where AMA procedures weren't being followed. Those procedures by the way, were established in order to obtain the insurance. It's not simply AMA being mean, or demanding that we follow THEIR rules.

They will cover you flying at a Soccer field as long as you're following AMA safety procedures.[QUOTE]the next time you loose your model and think you may be in trouble, turn your radio off, drop the antenna, go home and watch the news to see if anyone saw you.[/QUOTE] flyemfast,
Unfortunately, not so funny. While AMA flyers have their name, address, phone number, & AMA number in their planes (you do don't you, it's required for the insurance), I'm willing to bet that "outlaw" flyers don't. They probably would do just that, and WE'D get the bad rap.

Dennis-

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 8:34:18 AM

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What I want to know is why is flying at an AMA site considered safer? There is more chance of accidents with more aircraft around. I have seen beer and hard liquor at AMA events and pilots drinking. Not having AMA is not illegal or bad! I prefer to fly alone I am that type of person. My safty checks are worthy of 1:1
preflights and I never fly around cars or others. What percentage of Rc flyers belong to AMA? I would say less than half. I used to belong to a ama club but got sick and tired of all the politics. They are all the same, someone trying to outdo someone else! The PROS hogging frequencies. There is nothing wrong with flying without ama we are not outlaws. The LHS take our money the same as all

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/12/2003 10:57:12 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by PeteJoMan
I guess daddy bought him the car with the stipulation that he paid for the insurance! [/QUOTE] Yea so what if my parents bought it. I cant help it if they have money and want to buy me stuff while im in college, get over it

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/13/2003 12:35:18 AM

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WRXlovr, just chill ok? You fly the way you want to, there is nothing we can do about it. Just be safe and use your head ok. Lets quit this problem before it gets out of hand uall. We all have our own opionions. My belif is that you should have AMA, and fly at a safe place. If socer fields are ok, then go for it. If a club is needed, which is where I fly, then that is probably better. If I flew at a park or some other public place, I would be careful and have a spotter. I think it is more fun having other people to talk to and share tips with though.
Chill ok

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/13/2003 7:08:46 AM

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if anyones sn here is javakill or militaryman51111 i would very stongly advise to not look in my aim profile without having the guts the message me :

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Almost killed someone.. - 7/13/2003 7:03:35 PM