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Ziroli Stuka - 7/5/2003 10:50:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well guys I have been asked to blow up several plans ever since I did my Vailley Hurricane. I have blown up the Ziroli Dauntless and Corsair 150% for several people and have Been asked what I am going to do next. It seems one of the best planes for this would be the Stuka since you dont have to worry about costly retracts and also that it is such a popular plane. That would give it a 150" WS.

My question is that Ziroli's is a B1 Version and since I will be doing this in cad am thinking of Modifying the plans to a different version. The question is if I am to Modify the plans both at 1/5th scale and 150% 1/3.5 scale what version would be best to do?

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Ziroli Stuka - 7/6/2003 1:21:29 AM   
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The interesting thing about the Stuka is that the bases for each model is very similar. Even the detailing within each version can vary.

For example the Bertha version airbreaks (that would be great if made to function) were as the R (maritime) for goes the breaks for drop tanks. Also the siren on the Bertha was used only for a short period of time until it was dispensed with (Poland through to the intro to Africa).

The Anton version would be interesting. The Spanish Civil war version had a sleeker canopy and much greater flairings in the wheel pants. It is also much less common than the Bertha version at the airstrips.

The Dora is very popular. Or more correctly, the Bertha dressed as a Dora. No arirbrakes, sometimes a siren but usually not, a more streamed lined canopy more reminiscent of the Anton than the Bertha. The air scoop in the cowling is much small and squared off. Sometimes the wheel pants are attached and sometimes not. Finally the support spar(?) for the elevator is a different configuration as compared to the previous versions. It is a much more solid piece compared to what came before.

The G version is in essence a Dora but with the famed 37mm AT gun. Again it may or may not have the wheel pants.

I think for reasons of versatility for the modeler, the Bertha maybe the way to go. One could even model the carrier version off of the Bertha. However, for many the Rudel model is very popular so maybe a G version would be best. It certainly has a wealth of colour schemes.

When I am much better at modifying kits/plans I would like to try my hand at the Ju187. It is very sleek and an interesting version of the Stuka family.

BTW, thanks for your colour schemes ProfLooney for various Stukas. I think I will be making an Italian version. (Less common). I have found a complete set of marking that will work great. However, I am uncertain about one item: Was the temperate colour scheme of the Italian Berthas adjusted from what was delivered from the Germans?

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Stuka Blowup - 7/6/2003 1:23:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Professor I vote for the 87-G Have built 5 87-B's Would like to try some other color schemes John N

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version - 7/6/2003 1:30:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		The One I kinda was thinking of was the version Evan Q did with the huge underwing cannons. I dont know if that version had the dive brakes or not but I do want functional dive brakes on it

Joe

PS Fur-ocious those are from the book called Junkers Ju 87 Stukageschwader of North Africa and the Mediterranean (Osprey Combat Aircraft 6) most of those schemes were the schemes flown by germans in that theater so I assume it would be the same colors

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D-3 - 7/6/2003 1:38:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had thought abt doing the D-3 version with the two personnel pods on the wings and have it parachute them off but decided against it. I really wanna do the G1 but i dont thing it has dive brakes.

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JU87 - 7/6/2003 4:07:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Joe, I built the plane Evan has. I know the G versoin had the 37mm cannons, but it looks great and gets a lot of attention. I would like to see a D or G model. I am building another now with the cannons, should be flying for Bomber Field in September. Whats neat is the plane flies the same with or without the cannons attached...Lenny

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Gustav - 7/6/2003 4:15:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yea lenny I was leaning towards the G even though it didnt have the brakes, but what I think I will do is since I need to trace zirolis plans first I will have a Berta version which will also work for the R version then do a Gustav. I dont like the nose on the Dora as it looks like it would be hard to hide the engine. But since I will have them in corel format if anyone ever wanted a copy they could easily change the cowl themselves in cad. I think that would be the best way since I have to trace the Berta anyways then I will have two versions. can you say 2 150" ws Stukas hehehehehe

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PS have the stab and elev done it comes to 56.749" long and 12.079" wide hehe a nice big stab

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Inst Panel - 7/6/2003 4:41:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		BTW Last night I posted a stuka inst panel on my website for download. it is 1/5th scale and in corel and tiff format. I have all the scale guages in it and they are scaled to proper size for printing


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Ziroli Stuka - 7/7/2003 3:42:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info Prof. Thoughout my net searchings I came across the Osprey book. Unfortunately I need to go to a retailer to purchase one and that is over 2 hours away!

The G model is very popular with its 37mm AT guns. The air intake is small on the cowling but I like how L454S compensated for it.

Thanks for posting the inst panel. I'll definately have a look. Just out of curiosity, what CAD program do you use? Is it cumbersome? Trace the plans? Not scan? I guess I'll have to learn cad-ing if I am to make a JU187. Just wondering where I ought to start.

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cad - 7/7/2003 4:48:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fur i use corel draw to trace my plans. I scan them in then just import them and create a new layer and start tracing. you dont have to be a rocket scientist to use it either as it is all menu driven point and click unlike acad where you need a college degree to operate. there are others like deltacad turbo cad etc but they arent near as easy or powerful in my opinion but we all have our favorites and i use corel draw also because most cnc and lasers accept that format better than acad formats thus i can send the file directly to my kit cutter and is laser ready saves setupfees etc. I got my book via amazon.com for abt 7 bucks US might check there saves a long drive shopping from home.

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Ziroli Stuka - 7/7/2003 10:14:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info Prof. Will most assuredly look into it. Now back to lurking.

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Ziroli Stuka - 7/7/2003 11:48:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Joe (prof),

Long time no see. Great idea about the stuka mods. I love the ones with the cannons under the wings...looks very mean.

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Stuka 87B - 7/7/2003 12:37:33 PM   
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enlarged Stuka - 7/10/2003 10:50:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pro. Lunney Have you come up with a source or some way to make the enlarged Cowl , canopy and wheel pants. Everything else will be easy Keep us posted John N