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Saito 120? - 8/26/2003 7:04:53 PM   
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O.K. Guys,

Reading through this thread has got me thinking. I will be picking up a used Saito 120 four stroke and I'm looking for a plane for it. I am partial to the Edge's and Extra's of the world. The Staudacher is nice too. I have been looking for a plane for this engine (preferably an ARF) and can't seem to find what I am looking for. Both of the 66" birds from Vector look really nice.

While it may be a little more engine than is needed, do you owners out there think the 120 would fit? I would like to get one of these, but only if it would mount correctly.

Opinions? Thanks!


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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/26/2003 7:16:42 PM   
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John the 66" Extra from VF will be right up your alley as discussed in the other thread

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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/26/2003 7:28:09 PM   
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Matt,

What about the 120? Are you saying that it WILL fit fine? But, then again you probably knew I was going to ask that question


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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/26/2003 7:34:15 PM   
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I have a 91 on my 58". Im gonna wait to get the consensus of other owners for the 120 in question here. The 66" version is considered a 60-90 plane so a 100 or 120 is a probable candidate for it anyway. Im sure it will fit my only concern might be the weight factor in the nose.

can any owners chime in here?

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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/26/2003 7:50:16 PM   
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[QUOTE]While it may be a little more engine than is needed, do you owners out there think the 120 would fit? I would like to get one of these, but only if it would mount correctly. [/QUOTE]

I have a YS110 in my 66" VF Edge and it's a perfect match.

I reckon your Saito 120 would also be a great match in any of the 66" models.

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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/26/2003 8:19:00 PM   
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Thanks David

I hear the Customer service is wonderful there, so maybe I should just give them a call and ask? I'll let everyone know.


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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/26/2003 8:29:49 PM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scale Dreamer
Thanks David

I hear the Customer service is wonderful there, so maybe I should just give them a call and ask? I'll let everyone know.
[/QUOTE]

It's a good idea to send them an email or call them. I can honestly say I have never had such a good experience with any other company as I have with their customer service.

Try this email address:-

[email]info@vectorflight.com[/email]

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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/26/2003 11:30:12 PM   
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Here is the response I got from Vectorflight. It was fast but they understandably took the high road. Unless I hear from others who have put a 4-stroke 120 in there, I will probably just scale down to the 91 size: C'mon anybody put a 120 in either the Edge or the Extra?

Dear John:

Thank you for your message. A 120 is bigger than the recommended range for
our 66 inch wingspan airplanes and we do not have any personal experience
with such. However we do have several reports from customers who have used
120 4 strokes and 1.08 2 strokes. There are several issues to consider when
using an oversize engine, for example the firewall and tailplane in
particular should be reinforced to absorb the extra stresses.

A Dave Brown FS 120 engine mount is available at most good hobby stores,
which will fit into the existing pre drilled firewall mounting holes, with a
little coaxing. The supplied engine mount, a Dave Brown FS90, will be
undersized for the 120. The Edge is more suitable for a heavier engine as
it has a slightly longer tail moment which will help to counter the added
weight in the nose. Reportedly both airplanes have been flown successfully
with these larger engines. The extra weight may also require adjusting CG
and control throws so that the airplane is not prone to tip stalling.

The current published lead time is 2 weeks, although we are beginning to cut
it down by a few days at this time. It will still be at least 10 days
before we can ship an airplane out. We do apologize for this inconvenience.

Please let us know if you may have any other questions. We will be haply to
provide as much information as possible to help you make a decision.

Regards,

C/S
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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/26/2003 11:53:21 PM   
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There is a fellow who posts on RCU that files an Edge with a 120 4-stroke Magnum. he says it performs well, I think his handle is "cootertoo".

I think the Edge would be a better plane for a big 4-stroke as I think they are still using 1/4" birch ply for the firewall and landing-gear plate. These components are made from lite-ply on the Extra. This was my only dissapointment when I had a look at my plane when it came in. From the web-site I assumed that the Extra had birch ply in these areas.

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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/27/2003 5:07:57 AM   
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Just checked the elevator throws and low rates are set at 3/8" and the high rates are set at 3/4".I will have to check the ailerons tomorrow as we are in the middle of "severe" thunder storms.

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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/27/2003 5:19:12 AM   
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Spoke with VF 3 times today via email. They are great. Per the post above, they were careful about recommending the 120 FS for the 66" planes, but said that others had.

David_Moen - Thanks for the lead on Cootertwo! I sent him a PM and asked about the 120 size engine. After looking at his website though I think things will be fine. There is one picture where it appears to be balancing pretty well and he is commenting about maybe not having to put lead in the tail. We shall see.

David Cutler - Dealing with these people is a very pleasant experience. In an inquirey about replacement parts, I learned that the Edge has two wing halves as opposed to a solid wing. That coupled with your 110 and Cootertwo's 120 fitting nicely in the cowl have pretty much made up my mind for me. Late I saw on Cooter's site the mods he made for the wing joining assembly. Did you do this too or did you go stock? You have also referred to brass inserts on the belly pan instead of screws. Can you ellaborate? Are you talking about "bling" type threaded inserts and then using a screw into that? Any pics of this detail?

Has anyone tried to remove any of the decals and dress up the plane with alternate trim schemes? Nothing against what they provide, but it would be nice to be able to put a signature to it. Since I have pretty much decided on the 66" Edge, I would like to hear some all up weights from those of you who have it. Might give me a good reference for wing loading with the increased weight of the 120.

Cooter where are you

Thanks everyone for your info. Thanks for getting them started Diablo!

John


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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/27/2003 5:41:36 AM   
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Gald to hear things work out John. When ordering you can indicate you would like it plain without the factory applied graphics. They can send it pretty much how you want it. Min is stripped of the decals and is currently getting restored and customized. Pics next week.

good luck John

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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/27/2003 9:31:11 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scale Dreamer
You have also referred to brass inserts on the belly pan instead of screws. Can you ellaborate? Are you talking about "bling" type threaded inserts and then using a screw into that? Any pics of this detail?

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Hi John,

I used the standard method to make the wing joints. I would suggest you sand them a little at a time to ensure a really good fit. Actually, it's quite hard work as the ply is so hard, but it's worth it.

To mount the belly pan and cowl, I use brass inserts:-

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXK030&P=7

- screwed into the firewall (for the cowl) or a piece of hard balsa epoxied inside the fuselage side (for the belly pan), and a short 4-40 steel bolt going through a washer and small piece of fuel tubing.

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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/27/2003 10:32:19 AM   
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I don't like running screws directly into balsa either. I mount the belly pan and cowl as per the instructions, then I remove them. FInd where the holes you made for are and glue a balsa block in the inside of the fuse over the hole. Then drill out the holes in the fuse with a 1/8" drill. Epoxy a peice of Ny-rod into the holes, your screws will now go into the nylon rather than the balsa. Once caution, if you knock the wing off you will break the belly pan at the screw holes.

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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/27/2003 10:16:17 PM   
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David C and David M - Thanks for the responses guys. Sorry for the typo, I meant "blind" type nuts. The photo you sent me was exactly what I thought you were talking about. Did you use and epoxy or CA when you intalled it? Other David - Nice touch about the Nyrod.

Cooter two has contacted me and Vector even suggested that I take a look at his site. Can anyone out there put up a pic of the bottom of the edge? Cant find one on cootertwo's site or the VF site. I would like to maybe do some custom trim or maybe do as Diablo suggests and ask for the plane sans decals. Probably place my order in a week or so when the back log gets lower and I have my 120.


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VectorFlight 300s, anygood? - 8/28/2003 4:35:34 AM