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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/4/2012 11:37 PM   
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I'm trying to think of what movie youre talking about. So, I'm gonna guess Casablanca, and the Lockheed Electra ?


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/5/2012 12:33 AM   
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I'm trying to think of what movie youre talking about. So, I'm gonna guess Casablanca, and the Lockheed Electra ?



Sorry, no. Maybe not as well known as Casablanca, but still a classic. Thanks; Ernie P.


A truly seminal aircraft, it was renowned worldwide.

What warbird do I describe?


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(1) It was truly a world aircraft, serving in the armed forces of Germany, Italy, Japan, France, Australia, Great Britain and the United States.

(2) In addition, it was featured in one of the most famous movie clips of all time.

(3) If it isn’t a household name, it is only because it’s successor aircraft were even better known.

(4) It’s successor aircraft included both bombers and passenger planes.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/5/2012 2:26 AM   
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And a late night clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


A truly seminal aircraft, it was renowned worldwide.

What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) It was truly a world aircraft, serving in the armed forces of Germany, Italy, Japan, France, Australia, Great Britain and the United States.

(2) In addition, it was featured in one of the most famous movie clips of all time.

(3) If it isn’t a household name, it is only because it’s successor aircraft were even better known.

(4) It’s successor aircraft included both bombers and passenger planes.

(5) An early production model finished second, to a purpose built racer, in an 8,000 mile race.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/5/2012 8:27 AM   
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An early morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


A truly seminal aircraft, it was renowned worldwide.

What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) It was truly a world aircraft, serving in the armed forces of Germany, Italy, Japan, France, Australia, Great Britain and the United States.

(2) In addition, it was featured in one of the most famous movie clips of all time.

(3) If it isn’t a household name, it is only because it’s successor aircraft were even better known.

(4) It’s successor aircraft included both bombers and passenger planes.

(5) An early production model finished second, to a purpose built racer, in an 8,000 mile race.

(6) It was a low wing, twin engine aircraft; with variable pitch propellers.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/5/2012 11:35 AM   
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Douglas DC-2

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/5/2012 11:21 PM   
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Douglas DC-2



Bingo! The Good Ship Lollypop it is. Parent to both the Bolo B-18 and the DC-3, it was truly a seminal aircraft. And; you're up, 96TT. Take it away. Thanks; Ernie P.

A truly seminal aircraft, it was renowned worldwide.

What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) It was truly a world aircraft, serving in the armed forces of Germany, Italy, Japan, France, Australia, Great Britain and the United States.

(2) In addition, it was featured in one of the most famous movie clips of all time.

(3) If it isn’t a household name, it is only because it’s successor aircraft were even better known.

(4) It’s successor aircraft included both bombers and passenger planes.

(5) An early production model finished second, to a purpose built racer, in an 8,000 mile race.

(6) It was a low wing, twin engine aircraft; with variable pitch propellers.

(7) Introduced in the mid thirties.

(8) Also served with Austria, Switzerland, Finland and Spain.


Answer: The Douglas DC-2


The Douglas DC-2 was a 14-seat, twin-engine airliner produced by the American company Douglas Aircraft Corporation starting in 1934. It competed with the Boeing 247. In 1935 Douglas produced a larger version called the DC-3, which became one of the most successful aircraft in history.

In the early 1930s, fears about the safety of wooden aircraft structures (responsible for the crash of a Fokker Trimotor) compelled the American aviation industry to develop all-metal types. With United Airlines having a monopoly on the Boeing 247, rival Transcontinental and Western Air issued a specification for an all-metal trimotor.

The response of the Douglas Aircraft Company was more radical. When it flew on July 1, 1933, the prototype DC-1 had a highly robust tapered wing, a retractable undercarriage, and only two 690 hp (515 kW) Wright radial engines driving variable-pitch propellers. It seated 12 passengers.

TWA accepted the basic design and ordered 20, with more powerful engines and seating for 14 passengers, as DC-2s. The design impressed a number of American and European airlines and further orders followed. Those for European customers KLM, LOT, Swissair, CLS and LAPE were assembled by Fokker in the Netherlands after that company bought a licence from Douglas. Airspeed Ltd. took a similar license for DC-2s to be delivered in Britain and assigned the company designation Airspeed AS.23, but although a registration for one aircraft was reserved none were actually delivered. Another licence was taken by the Nakajima Aircraft Company in Japan; unlike Fokker and Airspeed, Nakajima built five aircraft as well as assembling at least one Douglas-built aircraft. A total of 130 Civil DC-2s were built with another 62 for the United States military. In 1935, Don Douglas stated in an article, that the DC-2 cost approximately $80,000 per aircraft, if mass produced.

Although overshadowed by its ubiquitous successor, it was the DC-2 that first showed that passenger air travel could be comfortable, safe and reliable. As a token of this, KLM entered its first DC-2 PH-AJU Uiver (Stork) in the October 1934 MacRobertson Air Race between London and Melbourne. Out of the 20 entrants, it finished second behind only the purpose built de Havilland DH.88 racer Grosvenor House. During the total journey time of 90 hours, 13 min, it was in the air for 81 hours, 10 min, and won the handicap section of the race. (The DH.88 finished first in the handicap section, but the crew was by regulations allowed to claim only one victory.) It flew KLM's regular 9,000 mile route, (a thousand miles longer than the official race route), carrying mails, making every scheduled passenger stop, turning back once to pick up a stranded passenger, and even became lost in a thunderstorm and briefly stuck in the mud after a diversionary landing at Albury racecourse on the very last leg of the journey.

Military and government operators
Argentina
Argentine Naval Aviation - 5 (+1) DC-2 ex civilian Venezuelan [13]
Australia
Royal Australian Air Force - Ten aircraft were in service with the RAAF from 1940 to 1946.
No. 8 Squadron RAAF
No. 36 Squadron RAAF
Parachute Training School RAAF
Wireless Air Gunners School RAAF
Austria
Austrian Government
Finland
Finnish Air Force Donated by the Swedish military during the Winter War (1939-1940) which flew a bombing mission based on Tampere on 22 February 1940
France
French government
Germany
Luftwaffe
Japan
Imperial Japanese Army Air Service - A single example of the DC-2 was impressed by the Imperial Japanese Army.[14]
Spanish Republic
Spanish Air Force took over five DC-2s from LAPE inventory.[citation needed]
United Kingdom
Royal Air Force
United States
United States Army Air Corps ♠
United States Army Air Forces
United States Marine Corps ♠
United States Navy ♠

The DC-2 was the "Good Ship Lollipop" that Shirley Temple sang about in the 1934 movie, Bright Eyes.

The Douglas B-18 Bolo bomber served with the United States Army Air Corps and the Royal Canadian Air Force (as the Douglas Digby) during the late 1930s and early 1940s. The Bolo was built by Douglas Aircraft Company and based on its DC-2 and was developed to replace the Martin B-10.



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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/6/2012 8:47 AM   
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OK, Here I go.

What airplain do I discrebe?

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1) This airplain was a real sensation at the 15th airsalon in Paris in 1936.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/6/2012 10:30 AM   
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This awnser I 've gotten in a pm, but these are not the plain I'm looking for.

"The PZL.23A? Several to choose from; WACO won the prize, and the Soviets had the I-17 and ANT-25."


clues:

1) This airplain was a real sensation at the 15th airsalon in Paris in 1936.

2) This is a twin-engined, twin-boomed airplain. 



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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/6/2012 2:51 PM   
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Fokker G-1?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/6/2012 4:52 PM   
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That is correct. The Fokker G-1. JohnnyS you're up now again.

greetings Kjel


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/6/2012 5:28 PM   
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1. On its attempted first flight, it was not able to take off. .

2. It was flown by the Poles, Greeks, Romanians, Luftwaffe, the Vichy regime and by the Free French.



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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/7/2012 8:48 AM   
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1. On its attempted first flight, it was not able to take off. .

2. It was flown by the Poles, Greeks, Romanians, Luftwaffe, the Vichy regime and by the Free French.




The Bloch MB.150? Thanks; Ernie P.


The Bloch MB.150 was a French low-wing, all-metal monoplane fighter aircraft with retractable landing gear and enclosed cockpit developed by Société des Avions Marcel Bloch as a contender in the 1934 French air ministry competition for a new fighter design.

Although the competition was won by the Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 prototype, development proceeded culminating in the first attempted flight of the MB.150.01 prototype in 1936. Unfortunately, the aircraft proved unable to leave the ground. With modifications consisting of a strengthened wing of greater area, revised landing gear, and installation of a 701 kW (940 hp) Gnome-Rhone 14N-0 radial engine with a three-blade constant speed propeller, the MB.150 finally flew in October 1937.

MB.151s and MB.152s equipped nine Groupes de Chasse (fighter groups) during the Battle of France, but they were largely outmatched by the faster Messerschmitt Bf 109E. Six groupes continued to fly in the Vichy French Air Force until this was disbanded on 1 December 1942, the aircraft being passed over to the Royal Romanian Air Force by the Germans.

Though the Greek government had ordered 25 MB.151s, actually only nine of these were exported to Greece. They flew with the 24th Moira Dioxis (Fighter Squadron) of the Hellenic Royal Air Force in Elefsina against the Italians and Germans, scoring several air-to-air victories until 19 April 1941, when the last MB.151 was shot down.

During World War II, the Bloch MB.152 had destroyed at least 188 enemy aircraft, and lost about 86 of their own. They proved tough aircraft, able to stand considerable battle damage, and a good gunnery platform,[2] but with many problems: poor agility, poor weapon reliability, poor range (600 km, but here the Bf 109E was only slightly better, around 660 km), and were notably underpowered.

In 1944, several surviving MB.152s were liberated at an airfield in mid-southern France. After being flight-tested and evaluated, and painting out the balkenkreuzen and swastikas, they were fitted with more powerful American engines and went up against the last remnants of the Luftwaffe with the Free French.



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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/7/2012 12:07 PM   
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Right: You're up next!

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/7/2012 11:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnnyS

Right: You're up next!


Good question, JohnnyS. You just happened to feature an aircraft about which I had read not long ago. I hope this one is up to standards. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) It was designed as a “contingency” backup to other aircraft already in production.

(2) Government leaders were concerned factories might be bombed, affecting the production of the other aircraft.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/8/2012 1:39 AM   
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Last clue of the day. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) It was designed as a “contingency” backup to other aircraft already in production.

(2) Government leaders were concerned factories might be bombed, affecting the production of the other aircraft.

(3) It was designed to use non-strategic materials (wood), both as a means of cutting production times and to avoid using materials needed for other war efforts.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/8/2012 2:15 AM   
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Mosquito ?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/8/2012 3:29 AM   
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Heinkel 162 Volksjaeger?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/8/2012 8:26 AM   
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No correct answers thus far. Perhaps an early morning clue will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) It was designed as a “contingency” backup to other aircraft already in production.

(2) Government leaders were concerned factories might be bombed, affecting the production of the other aircraft.

(3) It was designed to use non-strategic materials (wood), both as a means of cutting production times and to avoid using materials needed for other war efforts.

(4) It was specifically intended to be a very simple design, quick and easy to construct.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/8/2012 8:27 AM   
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Miles M20



Role Lightweight fighter
Manufacturer Miles Aircraft
Designer Walter G. Capley
First flight 15 September 1940
Primary users Royal Air Force (intended)
Fleet Air Arm (intended)
Number built 2 prototypes
Developed from Miles Master

The Miles M.20 was a Second World War fighter developed by Miles Aircraft in 1940.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/8/2012 9:49 AM   
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Miles M20



Role Lightweight fighter
Manufacturer Miles Aircraft
Designer Walter G. Capley
First flight 15 September 1940
Primary users Royal Air Force (intended)
Fleet Air Arm (intended)
Number built 2 prototypes
Developed from Miles Master

The Miles M.20 was a Second World War fighter developed by Miles Aircraft in 1940.



Great job, G T; right on the money! The Miles M.20 it is. You are up, Sir. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) It was designed as a “contingency” backup to other aircraft already in production.

(2) Government leaders were concerned factories might be bombed, affecting the production of the other aircraft.

(3) It was designed to use non-strategic materials (wood), both as a means of cutting production times and to avoid using materials needed for other war efforts.

(4) It was specifically intended to be a very simple design, quick and easy to construct.

(5) It used parts drawn from other, older, but related aircraft.

(6) It also deliberately used an old, out dated feature, to make the design simple, light and rugged.

(7) From the time the order was given to design the aircraft, only a bit over two months passed before the prototype flew.

(8) This was a fighter, intended as a backup to two fighters already in production, whose production was in danger.

(9) This aircraft, perhaps surprisingly, proved to be faster than one of the two standard fighters; and slower than the other. But it carried more ammunition, and had a greater range, than either.

(10) In the end, it was decided this aircraft wasn’t needed, since the shortage of fighter aircraft never developed..

(11) But, a second prototype was built; this one a sea going version.

(12) And again, it was decided the second aircraft wasn’t needed.

(13) Neither aircraft used hydraulic controls.

(14) And neither had retractable landing gear.

(15) But the sea going version had disposable landing gear.


Answer: The Miles M.20

The Miles M.20 was a Second World War fighter developed by Miles Aircraft in 1940. Designed as a simple and quick-to-build 'emergency fighter' alternative to the Royal Air Force's Spitfires and Hurricanes should their production get disrupted by bombing. In the event, due to dispersal of manufacturing, the Luftwaffe's bombing of the Spitfire and Hurricane factories did not seriously affect production, and so the M.20 proved unnecessary and was cancelled.

During the Battle of Britain, the Royal Air Force was faced with a potential shortage of fighters. To meet the Luftwaffe threat, the Air Ministry commissioned Miles to design the M.20, to specification F.19/40; nine weeks and two days later the first prototype flew.

To reduce production times the M.20 was of an all-wood construction, used many parts from the earlier Miles Master trainer, lacked hydraulics, and had spatted fixed landing gear. The engine was a complete Rolls-Royce Merlin XX "power egg", and was identical to those used on the Avro Lancaster and some Bristol Beaufighter marks. The design also featured a bubble canopy for improved pilot visibility, one of the first fighters to do so.

The first prototype, with the B-class serial U-9 first flew on 15 September 1940,[3] and was tested at the A & AEE under the military serial number AX834 against Specification F.19/40. Armed with the same eight .303 Browning machine guns as the Hawker Hurricane, the M.20 prototype was faster than the Hurricane and slower than the Spitfire types then in production, but carried more ammunition and had greater range than either. As the Luftwaffe was defeated over Britain, the need for the M.20 vanished and the design was abandoned without entering production. The first prototype was later scrapped at Woodley.

A second prototype, U-0228 and later serialed as DR616, was built to Specification N.1/41 for a Fleet Air Arm shipboard fighter, equipped with an arrestor hook and catapult launch points. It first flew on 8 April 1941. This variant was also fitted with jettisonable undercarriage so it could be used from catapults on Catapult Aircraft Merchantmen, however these ships had no flight decks so the aircraft had to be ditched into the sea after just one mission. Old Hawker Hurricanes took on this role, relegating the M.20 as superfluous and consequently leading to the scrapping of the shipboard variant.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/9/2012 1:04 AM   
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Man what an ugly aircraft is was !!!

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/9/2012 2:20 AM   
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Man what an ugly aircraft is was !!!


I'm not sure I agree, Mein Duff. It was faster than the Hurricane, and that with fixed landing gear. Something had to be fairly sleek about it. Although I will agree the wheel spats looked really weird. Ugly? No... I mean, it wasn't even French. Thanks; Ernie P.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/9/2012 8:38 AM   
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hi Ernie. P.

i will pass this back to you old mate,, as you are the master here and poss have alot more time on your hands to follow the replys
this is a great tread to follow on and there are some very interesting aircraft come up ,, thank you


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/9/2012 9:46 AM   
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hi Ernie. P.

i will pass this back to you old mate,, as you are the master here and poss have alot more time on your hands to follow the replys
this is a great tread to follow on and there are some very interesting aircraft come up ,, thank you



Thank you, Sir. I'll open the floor to any new participant who has a question. If no new contributor offers a question this morning, the floor will be open to all comers this afternoon. If no one asks a question by this evening, I will post my next question. Thanks; Ernie P.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/10/2012 2:42 AM   
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Okay; here we go. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?


Clues:

(1) This aircraft first flew in the late 1940s.

(2) It was carried aloft by a bomber.


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