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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/14/2012 6:15 PM   
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the IMAM Ro.41?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/14/2012 6:56 PM   
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the IMAM Ro.41?
IMAM Ro.41 is correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAM_Ro.41

The IMAM Ro.41 was an Italian light biplane fighter aircraft, serving in the Regia Aeronautica in the 1930s-1940s, mainly as a trainer.

This aircraft was designed as a fighter, but was underpowered even by mid-1930s standards. It resembled a small I-15, and was fairly agile. On tests it was able to reach an altitude of 1,000 metres in 1 minutes 32 seconds, 3,000 m in 3 min 47 sec, and 5,000 m in 7 min 34 sec, which was a much better climb rate than the standard Italian fighter, the Fiat CR.32 (3,000 m in 5 min 10 sec). It was also more manoeuvrable than the CR.32, and cost significantly less. However, a top speed of only 320 km/h was far too slow to make the Ro.41 a credible fighter

... The Ro.41 was the first post-war aircraft to enter production when an order was sent to Agusta for 15 new aircraft (5 single and 10 two-seaters) and later ten more (7 single and 3 two-seaters).

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/14/2012 7:31 PM   
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Changing subjects, I'm looking for a pilot.

1. He started his aviation career as an observer, before becoming a flight instructor then ultimately a fighter pilot.
2. His most famous exploit was an ultimate failure that almost cost him his life.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/15/2012 3:28 AM   
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Changing subjects, I'm looking for a pilot.

1. He started his aviation career as an observer, before becoming a flight instructor then ultimately a fighter pilot.
2. His most famous exploit was a failure that almost cost him his life.
3. He was shot down again towards the end of the war and taken prisoner.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/15/2012 1:25 PM   
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Changing subjects, I'm looking for a pilot.

1. He started his aviation career as an observer, before becoming a flight instructor then ultimately a fighter pilot.
2. His most famous exploit was a failure that almost cost him his life.
3. He was shot down again towards the end of the war and taken prisoner.
4. Still captive nine months after the end of hostilities he escaped and reach freedom in Switzerland where he lived the rest of his life.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/15/2012 5:25 PM   
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another clue as I will be offline for a while....

I'm looking for a pilot.

1. He started his aviation career as an observer, before becoming a flight instructor then ultimately a fighter pilot.
2. His most famous exploit was a failure that almost cost him his life.
3. He was shot down again towards the end of the war and taken prisoner.
4. Still captive nine months after the end of hostilities he escaped and reach freedom in Switzerland where he lived the rest of his life.
5. On capture he was chagrined to learn that despite being an expert pilot, he was a rookie pilot's first victory.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/15/2012 6:10 PM   
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Fritz Beckhardt?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/16/2012 2:45 AM   
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another clue as I will be offline for a while....

I'm looking for a pilot.

1. He started his aviation career as an observer, before becoming a flight instructor then ultimately a fighter pilot.
2. His most famous exploit was a failure that almost cost him his life.
3. He was shot down again towards the end of the war and taken prisoner.
4. Still captive nine months after the end of hostilities he escaped and reach freedom in Switzerland where he lived the rest of his life.
5. On capture he was chagrined to learn that despite being an expert pilot, he was a rookie pilot's first victory.


I must be getting old. As soon as you posted the first couple of clues, I thought "I just read about this guy". Then it took half the day to remember where I read it. Carl Menckhoff, who nearly lost his life trying to help Werner Voss in his epic battle of 23 September, 1917; when he took on seven of Britain's best pilots. "B Flight" of 56 Squadron? Thanks; Ernie P.


Carl Menckhoff (14 April 1883 - 11 January 1948) was a German First World War fighter ace, credited with 39 confirmed victories. Already in his 30s when he learned to fly, he was one of the oldest pilots in the Imperial German Air Service. He transferred from infantry service to aviation as a non-commissioned officer, he succeeded in becoming commissioned as an officer. He won the Blue Max and was given a squadron command.

Having fallen prisoner on 25 June 1918, he languished incarcerated until August 1919; he then escaped into Switzerland. He succeeded in business and remained there for the rest of his life.

Menckhoff was born in Herford, Westphalia, in the Kingdom of Prussia. He reported for his compulsory military service at age 20 in 1903, but was invalided out within six weeks when he contracted appendicitis.

In August 1914, when he was 31, Menckoff enlisted in Infantry Regiment Nr. 106. He was wounded several times and received the Iron Cross First Class and Second Class for gallantry, both by the end of 1914.

Left unfit for infantry service by his injuries, Menckhoff applied for transfer to the Luftstreitkrafte. He was at first an observer on the Eastern Front, where he gained useful flying experience but little experience of combat. In 1916 he became a flight instructor, and the following year, as a Vizefeldwebel (staff sergeant), he was assigned as a fighter pilot to Jagdstaffel 3, stationed in France and equipped with the Albatros D.III.

He scored his first victory on 5 April 1917, downing a Nieuport 17 of No. 29 Squadron, Royal Flying Corps, flown by Lieutenant Norman Birks. The victories began to mount rapidly after that, though Menckhoff often returned from victorious flights shaken by his triumphs.

Menckhoff was shot down several times, but always returned to duty. On 23 September 1917, he rushed to the aid of Werner Voss during the latter's battle against an overwhelming force from the Royal Flying Corps. Lieutenant Arthur Rhys Davids turned from engaging Voss and damaged Menckhoff's Albatros so badly that he had to crash land it. Rhys Davids then shot down Voss.

Menckhoff fought planes of No. 56 Squadron again on 28 September, and again had to crash land. Nevertheless, his victories totalled 20 by 4 February 1918. One week later, he was assigned command of Saxon Jagdstaffel 72 as its initial Staffelführer. His leadership style conserved his men's lives and the squadron's subsequent 60 victories were claimed with the loss of only one of its own pilots. The number of aircraft lost by his unit during this time is unknown.

On 23 April 1918, he was awarded Germany's highest decoration for valor, the Pour le Merite, his victory total having reached 25.

On 25 July, however, three days after his thirty-ninth victory, Menckhoff was shot down by Lieutenant Walter Avery of the 95th Aero Squadron, United States Air Service while the German ace was piloting one of his two Fokker D.VIIs. Captured by French troops at the crash site, Menckhoff was chagrined to learn that he was a rookie pilot's first victory. Avery cut the letter "M" from the crashed Fokker, but sportingly refused to deprive him of his Pour le Merite.

Following interrogation, Menckhoff was held as a prisoner of war, along with many other German pilots, at Camp Montoire, near Orléans.

Menckhoff remained a prisoner long after the war ended in November 1918. Despairing of his release, he finally escaped on 23 August 1919, and managed to reach Switzerland. He remained there for the rest of his life, becoming a successful businessman. He raised a family, but never talked about the war. Carl Menckhoff died in Switzerland in 1948.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/16/2012 3:11 PM   
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Spot on and you are up Ernie!

A bit more on his final sortie can be found here:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/newspaper-articles/33042-german-ace-shot-down.html

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/16/2012 3:49 PM   
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Spot on and you are up Ernie!

A bit more on his final sortie can be found here:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/newspaper-articles/33042-german-ace-shot-down.html


Thank you, Sir. Unfortunately, my plans for the next several days have just changed. I will be leaving town in a couple of hours and won't be available here until next Thursday. I'd appreciate it if one of you nice folks would stand in for me and ask the next question. Perhaps we have a lurker who hasn't had the opportunity to ask a question? How about we leave it to a new questioner for the next 12 hours; and if no new questioner steps forward, then open it up for anyone else who has a question? First come, etc. Thanks; Ernie P.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/18/2012 9:19 AM   
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Something to keep going...

What aircraft?

1) two-seater
2) lightly armed
3) typically for the manufacturer, it was named after a type of wind

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/18/2012 4:36 PM   
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What aircraft?

1) two-seater
2) lightly armed
3) typically for the manufacturer, it was named after a type of wind

4) it used war surplus engines

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/19/2012 8:34 AM   
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1) two-seater
2) lightly armed
3) typically for the manufacturer, it was named after a type of wind
4) it used war surplus engines

5) there were no export sales
6) the press made a big deal out of its accident rates
7) the accident rates were actually not much different from those of any other military aircraft of the time

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/19/2012 4:25 PM   
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1) two-seater
2) lightly armed
3) typically for the manufacturer, it was named after a type of wind
4) it used war surplus engines
5) there were no export sales
6) the press made a big deal out of its accident rates
7) the accident rates were actually not much different from those of any other military aircraft of the time

8) The engines came from a WW2 Allied bomber design. I'm told the tail wheels were taken from a WW2 Axis fighter design.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/20/2012 3:54 PM   
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1) two-seater
2) lightly armed
3) typically for the manufacturer, it was named after a type of wind
4) it used war surplus engines
5) there were no export sales
6) the press made a big deal out of its accident rates
7) the accident rates were actually not much different from those of any other military aircraft of the time
8) The engines came from a WW2 Allied bomber design. I'm told the tail wheels were taken from a WW2 Axis fighter design.

9) it was an "advanced trainer"

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/20/2012 6:02 PM   
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Valmet Vihuri?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmet_Vihuri

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/20/2012 6:33 PM   
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Valmet Vihuri?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmet_Vihuri
Valmet Vihuri is correct!
"two-seat fighter trainer aircraft, serving in the Finnish Air Force between 1953 and 1959"

Your turn, JohnnyS

Some speculate that its bad press helped with getting the Fouga Magister as a replacement. One comment about its beginnings went something like this: "Go and see what we have in the surplus stores and design a trainer around that."

Here's an Airliners.net photo of the one surviving complete airframe:



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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/20/2012 6:58 PM   
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Thanks: That's a very interesting aircraft.

http://i0.wp.com/urlybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/finland.jpg?resize=600%2C726

New plane:

1. Biplane.

2. Torpedo bomber.

3. Fixed landing gear.

4. Two man crew.

5. This aircraft won its design competition.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/20/2012 7:25 PM   
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http://i0.wp.com/urlybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/finland.jpg?resize=600%2C726
Ha!
When Finland's president Kekkonen was visiting USSR in 1960, Chairman Khrushchev asked him how many soldiers he could raise. Kekkonen: "About half a million". Khrushchev: "But what would you do if I sent a million against them?" Kekkonen: "I'd give everybody a second bullet." (I don't think anyone can prove that this really happened)


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/21/2012 11:42 PM   
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New clue:

1. Biplane.

2. Torpedo bomber.

3. Fixed landing gear.

4. Two man crew.

5. This aircraft won its design competition.

6. When used for a testing program, part of the lower wing was removed to increase landing speeds.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/22/2012 5:06 PM   
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New clue:

1. Biplane.

2. Torpedo bomber.

3. Fixed landing gear.

4. Two man crew.

5. This aircraft won its design competition.

6. When used for a testing program, part of the lower wing was removed to increase landing speeds.



Has to be the Fieseler Fi 167. Thanks; Ernie P.


The Fieseler Fi 167 was a 1930s German biplane torpedo and reconnaissance bomber designed for use from the Graf Zeppelin class aircraft carriers under construction in the late 1930s.

In early 1937, the Reichsluftfahrtministerium (German Ministry of Aviation) issued a specification for a carrier-based torpedo bomber to operate from Germany's first aircraft carrier, the Graf Zeppelin construction of which had started at the end of 1936. The specification was issued to two aircraft producers, Fieseler and Arado, and demanded an all-metal biplane with a maximum speed of at least 300 km/h (186 mph), a range of at least 1,000 km and capable both of torpedo and dive-bombing. By the summer of 1938 the Fiesler design proved to be superior to the Arado design, the Ar 195.

After two prototypes (Fi 167 V1 and V2), twelve pre-production models (Fi 167 A-0) were built. These had only slight modifications from the prototypes. The aircraft exceeded by far all requirements, had excellent handling capabilities and could carry about twice the required weapons payload. Like the company's better known Fieseler Fi 156 Storch, the Fi 167 had surprising slow-speed capabilities; the plane would be able to land almost vertically on a moving aircraft carrier.

For emergency landings at sea the Fi 167 could jettison its landing gear, and airtight compartments in the lower wing would help the aircraft stay afloat at least long enough for the two-man crew to evacuate.

Since the Graf Zeppelin was not expected to be completed before the end of 1940, construction of the Fi 167 had a low priority. When construction of the Graf Zeppelin was stopped in 1940, the completion of further aircraft was stopped and the completed examples were taken into Luftwaffe service in the Erprobungsgruppe 167 evaluation/test unit.

When construction of the Graf Zeppelin was resumed in 1942 the Ju 87C took over the role as a reconnaissance bomber, and torpedo bombers were no longer seen to be needed. Nine of the existing Fi 167 were sent to a coastal naval squadron in the Netherlands and then returned to Germany in the summer of 1943. After that they were sold to Croatia, where their short-field and load-carrying abilities (under the right conditions, the aircraft could descend almost vertically) made it ideal for transporting ammunition and other supplies to besieged Croatian Army garrisons between their arrival in September 1944 and the end of the War. During one such mission, near Sisak on 10 October 1944, an Fi 167 of the Air Force of the Independent State of Croatia was attacked by five North American Mustang Mk IIIs of No. 213 Squadron RAF. The crew of the Fieseler had the distinction of shooting down one of the Mustangs before itself being shot down—possibly one of the last biplane "kills" of the war.

The remaining planes were used in the Deutsche Versuchsanstalt für Luftfahrt (German Aircraft Experimental Institute) in Budweis, Czechoslovakia, for testing different landing gear configurations. The large wing area and low landing speeds made it difficult for the Fi 167 to properly carry out the tests so the two test aircraft had their lower wings removed just outboard of the landing gear.

No examples of this aircraft survive.



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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/22/2012 7:54 PM   
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Ernie,

Yup, that's the one!!! What a weird aircraft: Looked like the unholy love child of a Stringbag and a Storch.

Over to you...

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/23/2012 2:36 AM   
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Ernie,

Yup, that's the one!!! What a weird aircraft: Looked like the unholy love child of a Stringbag and a Storch.

Over to you...


Yeah, it was a bit strange looking. It had some interesting fetures, though. Okay; new question. I'll make this an easy one. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) Its initial service began in perilous circumstances, and being rushed into production proven nearly as perilous.

(2) A new type of enemy aircraft clearly outclassed existing friendly aircraft. A new type of friendly aircraft was rushed into service, perhaps prematurely, with disasterous results. A number of aircraft were lost to unknown causes, and withdrawing the new aircraft from service was actively considered.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/23/2012 2:39 AM   
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Hawker Typhoon?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 11/23/2012 8:03 AM   
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Messerschmitt BF 109F perhaps?

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