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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/20/2012 1:37 AM   
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Yes the designation was P-400 straight from the mfg. but they were the same airframe is the point.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/20/2012 5:40 AM   
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Sorry guys, but working on the F-35 this past 4 days took up more time than I had thought.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/20/2012 5:47 AM   
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What plane am I?
1-I was designed with small trapezoidal wings
2-I had a long cylindrical fuselage,
3-I used J-34 engines.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/20/2012 7:01 AM   
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What plane am I?
1-I was designed with small trapezoidal wings
2-I had a long cylindrical fuselage,
3-I used J-34 engines.


Douglas X-3 Stiletto?



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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/20/2012 11:42 AM   
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Another apology.... didn't see the last page. I'll save this for a later date....

I'm looking for an aircraft. (an apology here in advance, if clues are slow in coming, its because I'm away from the internet for the bulk of the day. Sorry)

1. Introduced late in a conflict, it was advanced enough that it enjoyed nearly complete immunity from interception for the length of its service.
2. Unusual in that the same company that built the airframe also built the engine.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/21/2012 3:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lbrande

What plane am I?
1-I was designed with small trapezoidal wings
2-I had a long cylindrical fuselage,
3-I used J-34 engines.


Douglas X-3 Stiletto?




You got it Chad. You're up

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/21/2012 6:01 AM   
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You got it Chad. You're up


I'll let a65l run with it so please see his clues in his post above.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/21/2012 11:40 PM   
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I'm looking for an aircraft. (an apology here in advance, if clues are slow in coming, its because I'm away from the internet for the bulk of the day. Sorry)

1. Introduced late in a conflict, it was advanced enough that it enjoyed nearly complete immunity from interception for the length of its service.
2. Unusual in that the same company that built the airframe also built the engine.
3. Due to the fortunes of war, the aircraft never operated in its intended environment
4. Protracted development of its engine led to it being introduced very late into the conflict

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/21/2012 11:43 PM   
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I'm looking for an aircraft. (an apology here in advance, if clues are slow in coming, its because I'm away from the internet for the bulk of the day. Sorry)

1. Introduced late in a conflict, it was advanced enough that it enjoyed nearly complete immunity from interception for the length of its service.
2. Unusual in that the same company that built the airframe also built the engine.
3. Due to the fortunes of war, the aircraft never operated in its intended environment
4. Protracted development of its engine led to it being introduced very late into the conflict

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/22/2012 10:20 PM   
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I'm looking for an aircraft. (an apology here in advance, if clues are slow in coming, its because I'm away from the internet for the bulk of the day. Sorry)

1. Introduced late in a conflict, it was advanced enough that it enjoyed nearly complete immunity from interception for the length of its service.
2. Unusual in that the same company that built the airframe also built the engine.
3. Due to the fortunes of war, the aircraft never operated in its intended environment
4. Protracted development of its engine led to it being introduced very late into the conflict
5. One of the first designs for this airplane was for twin engines buried in the fuselage, driving wing mounted propellors

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/23/2012 4:08 AM   
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Nakajima C6N1 Saiun "Myrt"?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/23/2012 11:11 AM   
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I've got to come up with some more obscure airplanes..... you got it.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/23/2012 11:44 AM   
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The C6N originated from a 1942 Imperial Japanese Navy specification for a carrier-based reconnaissance plane with a top speed of 350 knots (650 km/h) at 6,000 m and range of 2,500 Nautical miles (4,960 km). Nakajima's initial proposal, designated N-50, was for a craft with two 1,000 hp engines housed in tandem in the fuselage, driving two propellers mounted on the wings. With the development of the 2,000 hp class Nakajima Homare engine though, this configuration was abandoned and Nakajima decided on a more conventional single-engine layout. However, the Homare's output turned out to be less than initially expected, so the design had to be optimized in other areas. The resulting aircraft was designed around a long and extremely narrow cylindrical fuselage, just large enough in diameter to accommodate the engine. The crew of three sat in tandem under a single canopy, while equipment was similarly arranged in a line along the fuselage. The C6N's low mounted laminar flow wing housed fuel tanks and was fitted with both Fowler and slit flaps and leading edge slats to lower the aircraft's landing speed to ease use aboard aircraft carriers.[2] Like Nakajima's earlier B6N "Tenzan" torpedo bomber, the rudder was angled slightly forward to enable tighter packing on aircraft carriers.

The first flight was on 15 May 1943, with the prototype demonstrating a speed of 639 km/h (345 kt, 397 mph). Performance of the Homare engine was disappointing, especially power at altitude, and a series of 18 further prototypes and pre-production aircraft were built, before the Sauin was finally ordered into production in February 1944.

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Although designed for carrier use, by the time it entered service in September 1944, there were few carriers left for it to operate from, so most were used from land bases. Its speed was exemplified by a famous telegraph sent after a successful mission: "No Grummans can catch us." ("我に追いつくグラマンなし"). The top speed of the Grumman F6F Hellcat was indeed of the same level, so overtaking a Sauin was out of the question.

A total of 463 aircraft were produced.[6] A single prototype of a turbocharged development mounting a 4-blade propeller was built, this was called the C6N2 Saiun-kai. A night-fighter version C6N1-S with oblique-firing (Schräge Musik configuration) single 30 mm (or dual 20 mm) cannon and a torpedo carrying C6N1-B were also developed. The C6N1-B developed by Nakajima was not needed after Japan's aircraft carriers were destroyed. As Allied bombers came within reach of the Japanese home islands, there became a need for a first class night fighter. This led Nakajima to develop the C6N1-S by removing the observer and replacing him with two 20mm cannons. The C6N1-S's effectiveness was hampered by the lack of air-to-air radar, although it was fast enough to enjoy almost complete immunity from interception by Allied fighters.

Despite its speed and performance, on 15 August 1945, a C6N1 was the last aircraft to be shot down in World War II. Just five minutes later, the war was over and all Japanese aircraft were grounded.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/23/2012 3:57 PM   
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new aircraft, new clues...

1. It was originally designed and produced with an american engine, then it was fitted with an english engine, then later production aircraft built in a different country were fitted with french engines.

2. One was used as the personal aircraft of the champion balloon buster of World War I.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/25/2012 7:28 PM   
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new aircraft, new clues...

1. It was originally designed and produced with an american engine, then it was fitted with an english engine, then later production aircraft built in a different country were fitted with french engines.

2. One was used as the personal aircraft of the champion balloon buster of World War I.

3. The gunner's seat could fold, which enabled the bombsight to be used. The gunner was also the bombardier.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/26/2012 5:18 PM   
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new aircraft, new clues...

1. It was originally designed and produced with an american engine, then it was fitted with an english engine, then later production aircraft built in a different country were fitted with french engines.

2. One was used as the personal aircraft of the champion balloon buster of World War I.

3. The gunner's seat could fold, which enabled the bombsight to be used. The gunner was also the bombardier.

4. It was designed as a private venture and not to an official specification.

5. It was a biplane.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/27/2012 8:40 PM   
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new aircraft, new clues...

1. It was originally designed and produced with an american engine, then it was fitted with an english engine, then later production aircraft built in a different country were fitted with french engines.

2. One was used as the personal aircraft of the champion balloon buster of World War I.

3. The gunner's seat could fold, which enabled the bombsight to be used. The gunner was also the bombardier.

4. It was designed as a private venture and not to an official specification.

5. It was a biplane.

6. One claimed a kill of an Bf 109 in 1940.

!!!No more clues until we get some guesses!!!

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/27/2012 9:58 PM   
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Fairey fox?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/28/2012 12:21 PM   
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3136, you nailed it!!! You're up!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Fox



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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/28/2012 4:49 PM   
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I thought that was a pretty tough one

Looking at it from the balloon buster angle, I went through Willy Coppens and a few others but did not find the Fox connection from internet sources.

3136, what put you on the track?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/28/2012 9:49 PM   
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G'day Perttime,
I remembered about a Belgian fellow claiming a 109 kill in a biplane but took a while to work out what actual plane it was.

JohnnyS, that was a good one mate, unfortunately I can't serve up the next question as I'm getting married in two days and if no one gets it before then, you will all be waiting too long.
So, JohnnyS can you take my place and do another question?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/29/2012 1:32 AM   
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3136,

I've been married for 13 years: If you do it right it gets better every year! "Happy Wife -> Happy Life"!!!

OK, I will ask a few questions for you.

1. The installed weapons were reverse-engineered from a sample brought back from the Middle East.

2. The designer had previously worked for Heinkel as well as for two Japanese aircraft firms.

3. It was designed with an emphasis on maneuverability.

4. Although designed as a fighter it was most successful as a close-support attack aircraft, either attacking directly or by marking targets for larger aircraft.

5. It was also used to assist with air sea rescue operations.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/30/2012 2:13 AM   
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3136,

I've been married for 13 years: If you do it right it gets better every year! ''Happy Wife -> Happy Life''!!!

OK, I will ask a few questions for you.

1. The installed weapons were reverse-engineered from a sample brought back from the Middle East.

2. The designer had previously worked for Heinkel as well as for two Japanese aircraft firms.

3. It was designed with an emphasis on maneuverability.

4. Although designed as a fighter it was most successful as a close-support attack aircraft, either attacking directly or by marking targets for larger aircraft.

5. It was also used to assist with air sea rescue operations.


Congratulations on the 13 years. I hope you enjoy many more. And it sounds as though you are describing the CAC Boomerang fighter. Thanks; Ernie P.


The CAC Boomerang was a World War II fighter aircraft designed and manufactured in Australia between 1942 and 1945. The Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation gave Boomerangs the model numbers CA-12, CA-13, CA-14 and CA-19.

The Wirraway trainer provided a starting point for the Boomerang's airframe. CAC general manager (and former chief designer) Lawrence Wackett and chief designer Fred David began detailed design work at the CAC factory in Fishermans Bend, Melbourne on 21 December 1941. David was a Jewish refugee from Austria, who had worked on aircraft designs for Heinkel in pre-Nazi Germany, as well as for Mitsubishi and Aichi in Japan. As a result, he had a comprehensive knowledge of advanced contemporary fighter designs, including the Heinkel He 112 and A6M Zero.

The RAAF ordered 105 CA-12 (Mark I) Boomerangs on 2 February 1942, before the prototype first flew on 29 May 1942.
The Boomerang was a small fighter, designed with an emphasis on manoeuvrability. It had an overall length of just 7.7 metres (25.5 ft) and an 11 m (36 ft) wingspan. Although the original intention had been to use as many Wirraway components as possible, the final design was quite different, with shorter wings, a shorter, wood-sheathed, aluminium-framed fuselage, increased strength for combat stresses and a new centre section.

Test flights found that the CA-12 handled well. It was very well-armed, with two 20 mm cannon and four .303 calibre (7.7 mm) machine guns, all mounted in the short, thick wings. The Boomerang was also generously equipped with armour plating to protect the pilot. However, general performance was mediocre. Although lively at low level, performance fell away rapidly over 15,000 ft (4,600 m), and at the maximum speed of 265 knots (490 km/h) was not sufficient to make it an effective counter to the Zero. In addition, the best European fighters were reaching almost 350 knots (650 km/h), and even relatively sluggish fighters like the Wildcat and the Kittyhawk were much faster than the Boomerang.

As a result, by early 1942 the CA-14 variant was being designed, around the U.S.-built, 1,700 hp (1,268 kW) Wright Cyclone R-2600 engine, to address the CA-12's deficiencies in speed, climb and ceiling.[2] However, the 145 Cyclones ordered were not delivered as scheduled, and in mid-1942 Wackett authorised use of the 1,850 hp (1,380 kW) Pratt & Whitney R-2800, which could also be obtained from the CAC factory in Lidcombe.

However, the significantly greater weight of this powerplant led to an unacceptable risk of undercarriage failure. CAC eventually returned to the Twin Wasp, to which was added a General Electric B-2 turbo-supercharger mounted inside the rear part of the fuselage, new propellor gear, a geared cooling fan (influenced by reports on Focke-Wulfs captured in Europe) and a larger, squared-off tailfin and rudder.

By July 1943, the significantly re-worked CA-14 prototype, now known as the CA-14A, had a top speed which was 25–30% better than the CA-12, and an operational ceiling which was 4,000 ft (1,200 m) higher. Overall, it compared favourably with the Spitfire Vc and early model Thunderbolts and Mustangs. By this time, however, British-built Spitfires had filled the interceptor role and Mustangs had been ordered, to fill the bomber escort, air superiority and close air support roles. In addition, work had begun on the all-new CA-15, also known as the Kangaroo. Consequently, production Boomerangs were never fitted with superchargers.

Boomerangs underwent various improvements and modifications, which were grouped under three CAC designations: CA-12, CA-13 and CA-19. A total of 250 aircraft of these marques were built: 105 CA-12s, (RAAF serial numbers A46-1/105), 95 CA-13s (A46-106/200) and 49 CA-19s (A46-201/249). The CA-13 and CA-19 are sometimes known collectively as the Boomerang Mark II.

The sole CA-14A was used for research by No. 1 Aircraft Performance Unit RAAF, and was also seconded to the Bureau of Meteorology for a period after the war ended.

Following the devastating first air raids on Darwin on 19 February 1942, the need for interceptors became more pressing. Despite the Boomerang's astonishingly short development phase — especially since the Australian aviation industry had never built fighters before, let alone designed them — by the time the Boomerang entered service, sufficient Curtiss P-40 Kittyhawks had arrived from the United States. In January 1943, these were replaced in the air defence role over Darwin by No. 1 (Fighter) Wing RAAF, which had returned from Europe, equipped with the Spitfire Mk Vc.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/30/2012 9:17 AM   
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i think you may have it there Ernie,,
very good info on the Booma to

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 3/30/2012 11:24 AM   
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Ernie P,
yes you do have it, I gave JohnnyS the plane to do the question on, and that was it.
I didn't think anyone would get it that fast though, as it's a pretty obscure aircraft, such a pity they never made them with the turbocharger
I saw one flying at the tyabb airshow a couple of weeks ago and it looked fantastic, he really threw it around.
http://www.dropbears.com/f/felix_noble/boomerang.htm
http://ww2db.com/aircraft_spec.php?aircraft_model_id=218
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=609
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_Boomerang

(Thanks to JohnnyS for doing it for me, it looks like it went off a lot sooner than I expected)

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