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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/3/2013 6:15 AM   
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Mig-15?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/3/2013 1:15 PM   
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No correct answer yet.

1) it was agile and fast (for the time period)
2) it was originally meant to use a straight wing...
3) the designers got some German data in their hands and changed the prototype to a swept wing
4) it was used "in anger", in one ... let's call it crisis

5) it was used by two nations ... but also flew with a third insignia.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/3/2013 4:06 PM   
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No correct answer yet.

1) it was agile and fast (for the time period)
2) it was originally meant to use a straight wing...
3) the designers got some German data in their hands and changed the prototype to a swept wing
4) it was used "in anger", in one ... let's call it crisis
5) it was used by two nations ... but also flew with a third insignia.

6) the action that it saw was nowhere near territories of the nations that operated it

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/3/2013 7:59 PM   
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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/3/2013 8:26 PM   
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Noooo, not what I'm looking for.

1) it was agile and fast (for the time period)
2) it was originally meant to use a straight wing...
3) the designers got some German data in their hands and changed the prototype to a swept wing
4) it was used "in anger", in one ... let's call it crisis
5) it was used by two nations ... but also flew with a third insignia.
6) the action that it saw was nowhere near territories of the nations that operated it

7) between 600 and 700 were built (don't want to give a more accurate number)
8) all were single-seaters, which led to somewhat high accident rates

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/3/2013 11:40 PM   
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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/4/2013 3:08 AM   
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How about this?
Ouragan
A Dassault Ouragan with French Air Force markings
Role Fighter-bomber
Manufacturer Dassault Aviation
Designer Marcel Dassault
First flight 28 February 1949
Introduction 1952
Retired 1980s
Primary users French Air Force
Indian Air Force
Israeli Air Force
El Salvador Air Force

The Dassault M.D.450 Ouragan (French: Hurricane) was the first French-designed jet fighter-bomber to enter production, playing a key role in resurgence of the French aviation industry after World War II. The Ouragan was operated by France, Israel, India and El Salvador. While in Israeli service it participated in both the Suez Crisis, Six-Day War.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/4/2013 6:54 AM   
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Still not correct, although people are in roughly the correct time period.

1) it was agile and fast (for the time period)
2) it was originally meant to use a straight wing...
3) the designers got some German data in their hands and changed the prototype to a swept wing
4) it was used "in anger", in one ... let's call it crisis
5) it was used by two nations ... but also flew with a third insignia.
6) the action that it saw was nowhere near territories of the nations that operated it
7) between 600 and 700 were built (don't want to give a more accurate number)
8) all were single-seaters, which led to somewhat high accident rates

9) the action that it saw took place in central Africa (the region, not the country)

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/4/2013 3:55 PM   
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1) it was agile and fast (for the time period)
2) it was originally meant to use a straight wing...
3) the designers got some German data in their hands and changed the prototype to a swept wing
4) it was used "in anger", in one ... let's call it crisis
5) it was used by two nations ... but also flew with a third insignia.
6) the action that it saw was nowhere near territories of the nations that operated it
7) between 600 and 700 were built (don't want to give a more accurate number)
8) all were single-seaters, which led to somewhat high accident rates
9) the action that it saw took place in central Africa (the region, not the country)

10) it used a variant of an engine that was also used by a handful of British aircraft, including one Air Force and one Fleet air Arm fighter design.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/4/2013 7:23 PM   
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1) it was agile and fast (for the time period)
2) it was originally meant to use a straight wing...
3) the designers got some German data in their hands and changed the prototype to a swept wing
4) it was used "in anger", in one ... let's call it crisis
5) it was used by two nations ... but also flew with a third insignia.
6) the action that it saw was nowhere near territories of the nations that operated it
7) between 600 and 700 were built (don't want to give a more accurate number)
8) all were single-seaters, which led to somewhat high accident rates
9) the action that it saw took place in central Africa (the region, not the country)
10) it used a variant of an engine that was also used by a handful of British aircraft, including one Air Force and one Fleet air Arm fighter design.

11) after its maiden flight, the very pleased test pilot compared it to two somewhat different birds: an ugly duckling and a swift

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/4/2013 8:53 PM   
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I can not resist this one:

Of course it is the SAAB J-29 "Tunnan" (en. "Flying Barrel"),



If you want to build one there is a small EDF kit available from MJD and a big turbine powered one from Schweighofer.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/4/2013 9:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Red B.

I can not resist this one:

Of course it is the SAAB J-29 ''Tunnan'' (en. ''Flying Barrel''),
Of course it is

Your turn to ask something, Red B.

Here's something about the Barrel:

http://www.airvectors.net/avj29.html
"In the fall of 1946, the Flygvapnet ordered three prototypes of the fighter, which was given the designation "J 29". The initial prototype made its first flight on 1 September 1948, with test pilot Robert Moore, a Briton living in Sweden, at the controls. Moore was pleased with the machine, saying: "It was love at first flight. An ugly duckling on the ground, but in the air a swift."

The prototype was powered by a de Havilland Ghost 45 engine, with 19.6 kN (2,000 kgp / 4,400 lbf) thrust. The aircraft had power-boosted ailerons, with leading-edge slats fitted to the outer part of the wings to reduce landing speed. The slats were extended automatically when the flaps were lowered. Performance exceeded expectations, and despite the aircraft's tubby looks, the J 29 proved surprising agile.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
"In 1961, five J 29Bs were stationed in the Democratic Republic of the Congo for a UN peacekeeping mission (ONUC), organized as the F 22 Wing of the Swedish Air Force. It was reinforced by four more J 29Bs and two S 29C photo reconnaissance Tunnans in 1962. Most of the missions involved attacking ground targets with internal cannons as well as unguided rockets. - When ONUC was terminated in 1964, some of the Swedish aircraft were destroyed at their base, since they were no longer needed at home and the cost of taking them all back was deemed excessive."



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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/4/2013 9:51 PM   
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What aircrafty is this:

1) Twin engined, twin seat
2) Primary armament: 2 machine guns
3) The concept evolved from a glider
4) It is considered to be the first aircraft of its type to be put into large-scale production
4) Not developed as a warplane, it was however used in one war of international significance.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/6/2013 9:45 AM   
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Some more hints:

What aircraft is this:

1) Twin engined, twin seat
2) Primary armament: 2 machine guns
3) The concept evolved from a glider
4) It is considered to be the first aircraft of its type to be put into large-scale production
4) Not developed as a warplane, it was however used in one war of international significance.
5) The aircraft was eventually withdrawn from active service 55 years after the first flight of the prototype.
6) One variant of the aircraft (using another designation) was equipped with an arrester hook and undercarriage strengthened for carrier operations.
7) In all, more than 900 aircraft were built, some of them on licence in three different countries.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/6/2013 10:36 AM   
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English Electric Canberra?

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/6/2013 2:35 PM   
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No, not the Canberra.

What aircraft is this:

1) Twin engined, twin seat
2) Primary armament: 2 machine guns
3) The concept evolved from a glider
4) It is considered to be the first aircraft of its type to be put into large-scale production
4) Not developed as a warplane, it was however used in one war of international significance.
5) The aircraft was eventually withdrawn from active service 55 years after the first flight of the prototype.
6) One variant of the aircraft (using another designation) was equipped with an arrester hook and undercarriage strengthened for carrier operations.
7) In all, more than 900 aircraft were built, some of them on licence in three different countries.
8) The aircraft was unusual in that it did not have ejection seats.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/7/2013 12:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Red B.

No, not the Canberra.

What aircraft is this:

1) Twin engined, twin seat
2) Primary armament: 2 machine guns
3) The concept evolved from a glider
4) It is considered to be the first aircraft of its type to be put into large-scale production
4) Not developed as a warplane, it was however used in one war of international significance.
5) The aircraft was eventually withdrawn from active service 55 years after the first flight of the prototype.
6) One variant of the aircraft (using another designation) was equipped with an arrester hook and undercarriage strengthened for carrier operations.
7) In all, more than 900 aircraft were built, some of them on licence in three different countries.
8) The aircraft was unusual in that it did not have ejection seats.



The Fouga CM 170 Magister would seem to fit. Thanks; Ernie P.


The Fouga CM 170 Magister is a French two-seat twin-engine jet trainer made in all-metal with similar performances to the American Cessna T-37, but slightly faster. Its most distinctive structural feature is a V-type tail, called "Butterfly Tail". Designed from a glider, this plane was the first European jet trainer to enter in a large production scale. It operated in air forces in over 20 countries such as France, Belgium, Germany, Israel and Finland.

Between 1953 and 1958, total production reached more than 900 aircraft, of which considerable numbers were built under licence in West Germany, Israel and Finland. For 16 years, the very popular French aerobatics team "Patrouille de France" flew Fougas. Retired from most military air Forces today, a number of Fouga Magister have been sold to the civilian market, mainly in the States or UK. Mostly imported from Belgium, Finland and France, some operators have introduced the Fougas within their training school. In France, several have been acquired by aviation associations or museums for display and in May 1996, Yves Duval obtained the authorisation to fly these planes under the name of "Yanke Delta".


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/7/2013 2:44 PM   
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Why didn't I think of that?
I used to see them flying over my home quite often, and I saw one at an airshow last summer...
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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/7/2013 7:50 PM   
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The Fouga Magister it is!
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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/7/2013 9:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Red B.

The Fouga Magister it is!
Good work!




Thank you, Sir. I was away hunting until yesterday, and didn't see your question until late last night. And a good question it was, BTW. This should be a very easy question to answer, but I think the answer is quite interesting. I hope you all enjoy it. Thanks; Ernie P.


We all know the story; or at least one of several versions of the story. Lieutenant Wilfrid May was an inexperienced pilot. He had been ordered to stay above any dogfights and observe; or perhaps he had been told to make a single firing pass if he saw the opportunity and then dive for home.

May attacked a German aircraft, then dove away as instructed. But to his shock, he found himself pursued by another German aircraft. Unknown to him, his pursuer was none other than the Red Baron, Manfred von Richthofen. Captain Roy Brown, a personal friend of May, then attacked Richthofen in turn.

From that point, what happened is still argued; although there is general belief that Richthofen was hit by gunfire from the ground. But…


Question: Why did Richthofen single out Lieutenant May for attack?


Clues:

(1) The Baron was leading his formation, just as Brown was leading his.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/7/2013 11:19 PM   
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May was obviously a rookie and lingering on the fringes of the combat area.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/8/2013 2:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mein Duff

May was obviously a rookie and lingering on the fringes of the combat area.



Actually, that is the reason commonly given. But in truth, there may have been yet another and more compelling reason. I think you'll agree with my answer when you see it. Or, when you answer the question yourself. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: Why did Richthofen single out Lieutenant May for attack?

Clues:

(1) The Baron was leading his formation, just as Brown was leading his.

(2) Many theories have been advanced to explain why Richthofen pursued May so doggedly. This answer (Which, I must admit, I have never seen in print.) may explain why.


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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/8/2013 4:47 AM   
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From: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/12/25/13258/202

According to this account, Manfred von Richtofen was attacking Wilfred "Wop" May because May had attacked Manfred's cousin Leutnant Wolfram von Richthofen. It's a complex fight, as described in the article.

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RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz - 1/8/2013 3:21 PM   
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From: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/12/25/13258/202

According to this account, Manfred von Richtofen was attacking Wilfred ''Wop'' May because May had attacked Manfred's cousin Leutnant Wolfram von Richthofen. It's a complex fight, as described in the article.


I knew it wouldn't take you guys long to figure this one out, but the story is so interesting I wanted to highlight it.

You are correct, Sir. Interesting that so much of what happened that day has been lost, and so much more manufactured. Richthofen was noted for being particularly concerned for the welfare of his brother Lothar; and it is reasonable to think he would also be concerned about protecting his cousin. It is also interesting that it was confirmed by examination of the Baron's machine guns on the ground afterward that both guns were hopelessly jammed.

You are up, Sir. Thanks; Ernie P.


We all know the story; or at least one of several versions of the story. Lieutenant Wilfrid May was an inexperienced pilot. He had been ordered to stay above any dogfights and observe; or perhaps he had been told to make a single firing pass if he saw the opportunity and then dive for home.
May attacked a German aircraft, then dove away as instructed. But to his shock, he found himself pursued by another German aircraft. Unknown to him, his pursuer was none other than the Red Baron, Manfred von Richthofen. Captain Roy Brown, a personal friend of May, then attacked Richthofen in turn
From that point, what happened is still argued; although there is general belief that Richthofen was hit by gunfire from the ground. But…
Question: Why did Richthofen single out Lieutenant May for attack?

Clues:

(1) The Baron was leading his formation, just as Brown was leading his.

(2) Many theories have been advanced to explain why Richthofen pursued May so doggedly. This answer (Which, I must admit, I have never seen in print.) may explain why.

(3) Wilfrid May himself reported he had attacked a blue triplane, which he claimed as shot down (He didn’t, in fact shoot it down.). His guns jammed and he dove for home. A red triplane latched onto his tail and shot him up rather badly, but didn’t hit him personally.

(4) The Baron wasn’t the only Richthofen to fly for the German Air Force.

Answer: May had unknowingly attacked the Baron’s cousin, Wolfram von Richthofen. Wolfram was also an inexperienced pilot, and had also been given orders to stay above the fight and observe. When May attacked him, Wolfram turned into the dogfight. The Baron saw Wolfram in distress and attacked May. Brown then chased the Baron to protect his own charge.

Wilfrid Reid "Wop" May, OBE, DFC (April 20, 1896 – June 21, 1952), was a Canadian flying ace in the First World War and a leading post-war aviator. He was the final allied pilot to be pursued by Manfred von Richthofen before the German ace was shot down on the Western Front in 1918. After the war, May returned to Canada pioneering the role of a bush pilot while working for Canadian Airways in Northern Alberta and the Northwest Territories.

May joined the Army in February 1916 during the First World War. He rose through the enlisted ranks to sergeant, and spent most of 1916 as a gunnery instructor. In 1917, his battalion, the 202nd battalion C.E.F. (Edmonton Sportsmen), was shipped to England, where he and his friend Ray Ross applied to join the Royal Flying Corps. His first flight resulted in the destruction of both his own and another aircraft; nevertheless, the RFC accepted his applications and May resigned from the Canadian Army. After initial training in London in October, he was moved to a fighter training squadron and graduated in February 1918.

On April 9, Lieutenant May was transferred to No. 209 Squadron of the newly-created Royal Air Force (the squadron being a unit of the Royal Naval Air Service until April 1, when the RAF was created). The squadron was commanded by another Canadian, May's former school friend Roy Brown, who had never lost a subordinate pilot. May spent most of April getting used to his Sopwith Camel.

On April 20, May fought his first aerial combat. The German Fokker Triplane crashed of its own accord during the brief fight.

The following day, April 21, saw 209 Squadron again on patrol. Due to his inexperience, Brown gave May similar instructions as before – he was to stay out of the fights and simply keep an eye out. Around 10 a.m. the squadron attacked a group of Triplanes. During the dogfighting, May circled above. But when he spotted another plane doing the same thing he decided to launch an attack.

May chased the aircraft which fled into the middle of the dogfight. But when his machine guns jammed, May quickly dived out of combat. Unknown to anyone, May's target was Wolfram von Richthofen, cousin of Manfred von Richthofen, the "Red Baron". Wolfram had also been given orders to sit out above the fight and watch because he was a novice flyer, too.

On seeing his cousin being attacked, Manfred started to chase May as he turned to pull out of the dogfight with jammed guns. Roy Brown, who was flying above, also noticed the Red Baron peeling off to attack May. Diving in from behind, Brown intercepted von Richthofen's red Triplane. May noted in his combat report:

21/4/18 Camel D3326 90 minutes Engaged 15 to 20 triplanes - claimed one. Blue one. Several on my tail, came out with red triplane on my tail which followed me down to the ground and over the line on my tail all the time got several bursts into me but didn’t hit me. When we got across the lines he was shot down by Capt. Brown. I saw him crash into side of hill. Came back with Capt. We afterwards found out that the triplane (red) was the famous German airman Baron Richthofen. He was killed.

In point of fact, who actually shot down the Red Baron is a subject of much dispute.

May continued flying with 209 Squadron until the end of the war, and eventually claimed 1 and 1 shared aircraft captured, 6 and 1 shared destroyed, and 3 and 1 shared 'out of control'. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross in 1918. He relinquished his RAF commission on 8 May 1919 with the rank of captain.


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OK, here's a new aircraft.

1. Shoulder wing monoplane.

2. Total of three engines, two of which were mounted on the wingtips.

3. Supersonic.

4. Never became operational, but 12 were built.

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