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Election games have begun - 7/17/2003 12:31:48 PM

J_R

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Vargas
another Question Jim,,, What are the impacts, from DSF, that could possibly affect me? I just Fly and Race a little here and there between Ca and Az. Didn t get to the NATs this year due to a New civilian job,,, still retired tho,,, but will be there next year

Anyhow, the reason I am asking is because I fail to see how he, DSF, affects me.

BV [/QUOTE]

Hi Bill

It is not just a question of Sandy or Dist 8. Let me lay out a wild hypothetical, just for you, to show you why it is important to us all. Suppose that a terrible accident has occurred in pylon. A knee-jerk proposal has worked it's way through the process to ban pylon racing as too dangerous. Your VP is against the motion to ban pylon. Does it make any difference to you how the other EC members vote?

Now, let us take it a step further. There are 12 votes on the council. One abstains. The remaining vote is 5 to 5 with Dist 8 holding the swing vote. Does it make a difference how Dist 8 votes?

Remember, nothing is really too wild. The D5 VP recently wanted to spend in the neighborhood of $80,000 a year on color pics of the VP's for their columns in MA. The proposal died, or at least I hope it is dead.

JR

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Election games have begun - 7/18/2003 6:17:49 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by J_R
Hi Bill

It is not just a question of Sandy or Dist 8. Let me lay out a wild hypothetical, just for you, to show you why it is important to us all. Suppose that a terrible accident has occurred in pylon. A knee-jerk proposal has worked it's way through the process to ban pylon racing as too dangerous. Your VP is against the motion to ban pylon. Does it make any difference to you how the other EC members vote?

Now, let us take it a step further. There are 12 votes on the council. One abstains. The remaining vote is 5 to 5 with Dist 8 holding the swing vote. Does it make a difference how Dist 8 votes?

Remember, nothing is really too wild. The D5 VP recently wanted to spend in the neighborhood of $80,000 a year on color pics of the VP's for their columns in MA. The proposal died, or at least I hope it is dead.

JR [/QUOTE]

Thanks Jim, but I am looking for specifics and Facts to figure out why there's all this Whinning about District VIII.

BV

BV

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Election games have begun - 7/18/2003 9:25:41 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Vargas
Thanks Jim, but I am looking for specifics and Facts to figure out why there's all this Whinning about District VIII.

BV

BV [/QUOTE]

Bill,
I am not sure I understand where you are coming from. The only FACTS that I know for sure were clearly presented in the very first post of this thread. The rest of my writings are simple comments and my opinion. Just exactly how you manage to leap to whining is beyond me.

When I was in the Marine Corps I was taught that honesty and integrity were the most precious of all traits. They are the cornerstones that many believe this country was built on.

I have learned that to some those traits are jokes. To my way of thinking, people willing to taint the election process generally fall into that latter group. Seems that District VIII has a pair of groups that fall into that line up.

I am not sure why you have a problem with my displeasure unless you feel loading the ballot (or nomination process in this case) is the right way for some special group to retain control of things. Sure does seem rather odd to me.

BTW, the last response to your question was NOT from me.

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Election games have begun - 7/18/2003 9:53:32 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim Branaum
Bill,
I am not sure I understand where you are coming from. The only FACTS that I know for sure were clearly presented in the very first post of this thread. The rest of my writings are simple comments and my opinion. Just exactly how you manage to leap to whining is beyond me.

[COLOR=red]I have sat and listened for the last 6 months,,, to your complaints and whinning about the District VIII VP. Quite frankly,,, Who Cares. If they want the Job that bad,,, There're going to get it no matter what the cost,,, just so they have the Title and or the job and there isn t a Dang thing you can do about.[/COLOR]

I am not sure why you have a problem with my displeasure unless you feel loading the ballot (or nomination process in this case) is the right way for some special group to retain control of things. Sure does seem rather odd to me.

[COLOR=red]Jim, when was the last time you went out to fly and enjoyed it,,, without having to worry about a group of people in your District?[/COLOR]

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BV
Who Cares what D.SF, BL and that other guy says or does,,, Your better off spending your time flying.

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Election games have begun - 7/18/2003 6:36:49 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Vargas
BV

I have sat and listened for the last 6 months,,, to your complaints and whinning about the District VIII VP. Quite frankly,,, Who Cares. If they want the Job that bad,,, There're going to get it no matter what the cost,,, just so they have the Title and or the job and there isn t a Dang thing you can do about.

Jim, when was the last time you went out to fly and enjoyed it,,, without having to worry about a group of people in your District?

Who Cares what D.SF, BL and that other guy says or does,,, Your better off spending your time flying. [/QUOTE]

Bill,

I don't understand. Most Marines I served with liked to see fair, honest, open and above the table elections. It looks like 4 of the current crop of 7 nominees have benefited from unethical actions. I do not think that is good for the AMA, you give a different impression.

Equally I have stood up to your personal attacks since November and will continue to do so. You may choose to support unethical folks, but I elect not to. I choose to try and make things better, as I was taught in the Marine Corps.

I was at a fly-in in February where Bill Lee told me he does not fly any more and that AMA politics is his hobby. Let me suggest that you don't worry about AMA Discussions and go flying yourself, since you don't believe the AMA needs anyone else involved.

I fly every single chance I get to and enjoy it enough to teach others. Yourself?

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Election to the AMA EC should not be left to chance. - 7/20/2003 9:01:33 PM

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The EC cannot risk leaving the "election" of people to that august group to chance.

They have total control over who is going to be on the ballot as the EC as a whole (except for the President) IS the nomination committee.

Whatever "manipulations" are necessary to assure the "right" persons appear on the ballot so as to insure that the "right" one is elected can be done within the present selection process with near impunity.

It has been done, it will continue to be done, their will will be done.

Live with it!

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District V - Where working the election process is a religious ritual practiced every three years.

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Election games have begun - 7/20/2003 9:21:20 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by J_R
Able

I would not jump to conclusions. Keep an eye on the AMA site to see what action the Nominating Committee took. Probably will be up today or tomorrow.

JR [/QUOTE]

JR, Not having any luck looking on the AMA site for Nominating Committee action - as of today 7/20/03.

Has anyone seen or heard anything official?

Red S.
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Election games have begun - 7/21/2003 5:47:52 AM

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Red

Maybe, with the way some are reacting to the election process in this thread, the election has been canceled for lack of interest.

JR

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Election games have begun - 7/21/2003 5:52:22 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by J_R
Red

Maybe, with the way some are reacting to the election process in this thread, the election has been canceled for lack of interest.

JR [/QUOTE]

Maybe our much maligned EC has come up with a real way to save some money. No elections where there are no challengers.

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Election games have begun - 7/21/2003 7:54:59 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Red Scholefield
Maybe our much maligned EC has come up with a real way to save some money. No elections where there are no challengers.

Red S.
AMA 951 [/QUOTE]

Well,
THAT is certainly one way the anointed from the DFW metro area can control who from District VIII does anything in the AMA! LOL Would you believe if I told you folks were trying to tell me that Johnny Clemens was wrong about that statement?

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Election games have begun - 7/22/2003 12:47:43 AM

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I emailed mary lou posing the situation and if the nominating committee might look into such actions. I will let you know what/if I hear anything back. Just like grade school all over again.

received a response that the nomination committee is a closed door meeting and she has not received the results of that meeting for publication.

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Election games have begun - 7/24/2003 8:24:58 AM

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>>>>>>>

Thank you for taking the time to visit with me Thursday morning and confirming that Sandy Frank has nominated Bill Lee and Doug Powell to run as candidates against him in the AMA District VIII election. As I told you I was already aware of the similar action previously taken by Horrace Cain.

Jim Branaum
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Before you pounding on Sandy, please go back and read the note carefully. You might (as in SHOULD) see that Horrace ALSO tried to stuff the nominations process, however his guys did not accept the nominations.

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Hey, this is real news. I just returned from a month in the North Woods (Summer place on small lake in U.P. of MI) with no computer service. (Just social events, wall-eye and small mouth bass, direct TV, beer, BBQ, and such dreary stuff, hard to take!!)

I was wondering why I had received no notification of the ballot thing from AMA, via the normal snail mail. I never bothered calling, and neither did AMA.

Read this fable and then called Odis, and tried to get Ken, but he broke a bone and is in hospital. Will check tomorrow however before I left, he said he returned all required mail to AMA.
So did I and I have the Certified return cards to prove it.

Odis mailed his on 6/18, over a week before the deadline. Enclosed was a letter of acceptance, problem is he did not certify. So did Ken, but another check will be made, in the AM prior to any official statement by me ref Ken.

While I doubt that anything sent uncertified would have arrived PRIOR to the deadline, any statement that these two persons would not accept their nominations is nothing short of a manufactured untruth, where-ever it was created.

I will leave sometime next week for another stint in the north, then back here last of August prior to a week's "Cruise" 1st of Sep. Then it's back to toy airplanes as I am the chief cook and bottle-washer for Jetero's Big Bird event Sep 13-14.

Getting those Briskets and Links, potato salad, and baked beans all just right, now that is something really important.
Free BBQ on Sat for pilots and workers.

Yep, this AMA stuff is really getting me down.

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Election games have begun - 7/24/2003 9:18:54 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hossfly
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Yep, this AMA stuff is really getting me down. [/QUOTE]

Then withdraw your name.

How can you accuse anyone of game playing if you want your name on the ballot, as well as two of your friends?

JR

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Election games have begun - 7/24/2003 9:42:16 AM

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i would vote fer HC over sf, or anyone else i have heard mentioned for d8.

at least with hc, we know exactly what we will be getting.

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Election games have begun - 7/24/2003 10:02:13 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by J_R
Then withdraw your name.

How can you accuse anyone of game playing if you want your name on the ballot, as well as two of your friends?

JR [/QUOTE]

Hey JR, even your humor-challenged personality should be able to recognize the "....getting me down." as a bit of tongue-in-cheek, (characterized by insincerity, irony, or whimsical exaggeration) especially when prefaced with, "Getting those Briskets and Links, potato salad, and baked beans all just right, now that is something really important."

If I get on the ballot, I will be on the ballot. If one of my friends gets there, I will support him.
Ken is a long time modeler, many times a NATs contender in CL combat , many years ago. A retired accountant and a great computer person. He can well read between the lines and sees those *Big Pictures* before they are painted.
Odis is a fantastic club worker, ex President, good CD, a veteran of tours in both the Navy and the AF, plus years in the railroad business, constable, handgun instructor for HPD, and ran his own company in the firearms business. He can well handle many problems. Strong point is that when he speaks YOU won't have to ask him what he means!!
Either one will do a good job as a D-VP.

Remove my name?? Why? From what you people say here SF and Company have well covered that job. That was a "Given" well before the NC meeting.

You see JR, as I wrote back a couple months, every one in an even-numbered district should have -- IMO -- nominated a challenger, but alas to the best of my current knowledge, that did NOT happen. Just another direct signal to the EC that they can do as they please. YUCK!!!

If it's a "game" at my level, then it is a fun game. No BFD! Yet, I will play when it suits my particular taste at the particular time.

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Election games have begun - 7/24/2003 11:08:12 AM