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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 12:12:35 AM   
Hossfly



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JB states here that his telephone call went, "I told you that I had heard a rumor to the effect that SF MAY have been offering funding to potential opponents and that you were supposed to be aware of it. You denied any knowledge of that so the conversation moved on to other things.

Then JB states herein to HC: "Hey, I heard a rumor that one of you guys offered to pay your nominees to run against you. Any truth to that? "
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Now JB already knew all that I knew. Why would he make such a post?

I certainly have my own thoughts. Reader, you think as you will.

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 12:14:16 AM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		Horrace,

I have all the need, authority and status I need as an AMA member to ask the questions.

I asked for the answer to the one question as a yes or no answer. A technique I learned from you. Your previous reply was full of rhetoric, the same type of rhetoric you so disdain in others.

You, of course, as a potential candidate, and politician have the right to dodge any questions you so chose.

I will simply leave it for anyone else reading these posts to determine, in their own mind what your intent may be/have been. I think it is pretty obvious from your previous posts here and in other forums what your position about nominating potential candidates to run against oneself is/was. The fact that you have now admitted to the same actions puts you in the same category as you once put others.

JR

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 12:46:20 AM   
Jim Branaum


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hossfly
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JB states here that his telephone call went, "I told you that I had heard a rumor to the effect that SF MAY have been offering funding to potential opponents and that you were supposed to be aware of it. You denied any knowledge of that so the conversation moved on to other things.

Then JB states herein to HC: "Hey, I heard a rumor that one of you guys offered to pay your nominees to run against you. Any truth to that? "
<<<<<<<<<<<

Now JB already knew all that I knew. Why would he make such a post?

I certainly have my own thoughts. Reader, you think as you will. [/QUOTE]

ROFLOL!

Horrace,
Let me help you understand what was said that you seem to be having a problem with and then I will clarify the other issue for you.

What you should have quoted was just after the 'I told you that' part. Quoting where you did does not help you. I suppose I could have put quotes around what I said I said, but I didn't have a recorder working so I don't have the precise verbiage I used written down as it was a conversational question rather than an investigation.

Now as for the final statement, I have to admit it is not as well written as it could have been. I heard the first rumor and called you. Some time later I was talking with someone else about the subject of our conversation and they said that they had heard YOU were doing that. I was confused and think it reasonable to get answers. I am astounded at your responses.

I still think both of you children (SF & HC) should withdraw as you are both tainted with poor actions.

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 12:55:33 AM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		Horrace Cain:
"Perhaps the EC will soon be like Congress -- the very best that MONEY CAN BUY!!!"
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Horrace Cain:
"Seems a darn good thing to do if one is serious. That's how business people SELL their products. Those ads also allow the public to have an opportunity to observe and/or buy the product."
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Horrace Cain:
"I will no longer pay for anything dealing with AMA politics, and I have not done so since paying my legal defense against the lawsuit initiated by the current EVP last October."
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Horrace

Is it not a fact that the threat of a lawsuit, a lawsuit that never materialized, was inspired by advertising that you did in last year's election?

Is it not also fact that you ran ads in modeling magazines in last year's election?

Would you care to explain how the action of buying ads does not equate to first quote in this post? Or.... was I misreading the intent of that quote and you were bragging?

JR

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 1:04:58 AM   
Crashem


 

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Status: offline 		People I have not been paying Too much attention to the upcomming election as of yet....

Hossfly isn't running again???? Please say it ain't so!!!

I don't think I could stand more of last years campaign posts!!!!

PLEASE SAY IT AIN"T SO!!!!!!!!!

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 2:19:10 AM   
Hossfly



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by J_R
Horrace Cain:
"Perhaps the EC will soon be like Congress -- the very best that MONEY CAN BUY!!!"
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Horrace Cain:
"Seems a darn good thing to do if one is serious. That's how business people SELL their products. Those ads also allow the public to have an opportunity to observe and/or buy the product."
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Horrace Cain:
"I will no longer pay for anything dealing with AMA politics, and I have not done so since paying my legal defense against the lawsuit initiated by the current EVP last October."
___________

Horrace

Is it not a fact that the threat of a lawsuit, a lawsuit that never materialized, was inspired by advertising that you did in last year's election?

Is it not also fact that you ran ads in modeling magazines in last year's election?

Would you care to explain how the action of buying ads does not equate to first quote in this post? Or.... was I misreading the intent of that quote and you were bragging?

JR [/QUOTE]

RESPONSE 1: The Initial letter only referenced that advertising that I sent by e and snail mail via "Fliers". Such "Fliers" only contained questions concerning events/information already recorded in official AMA minutes. Even when the claim is without any foundation, one has legal defense expenses.

RESPONSE 2. It is a fact that I did use the magazines last year, RC Report, MAN and the Pampa SIG Stunt News. They were all paid for last summer -- MY PERSONAL FUNDS -- when ordered. As I said, no political expenses since last Oct. I have absolutely NO objection to such a strategy. OTOH such as above, R-1, will not soon be forgotten.

RESPONSE 3. That quote referred to the paragraphs of the text to which it was attached. "JB, you called me on the phone, and YOU told me that SF was offering pay for potential nominees."
If someone has to PAY NOMINEES, and such nominees get elected, then IMO, they are like my opinions of civil politicians, bought and paid for, and will do as they are told.

Kind of like $10,000.00 that secured the release of frequencies. Not something to brag about, however we see such in the multi-millions each day in our legal, political and business world.
UAL CEO gets near 10 million bonus by getting company into bankruptcy, destroying the retirement of thousands of 40 year+/- loyal employees under ESOP plan. He's a hero among Board Directors.

Like news reporters that refuse to pursue society's real criminals, you wish to nit-pick my choice to again try to do something for the better, yet you are too friggin' lazy to try to improve the breed in your own sector. Enjoy your childish tirades.

Oh BTW, I am on the ballot. Oberdieck just confirmed it.

< Message edited by Hossfly -- Jul 24 2003 9:26PM >

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 2:30:10 AM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Oh BTW, I am on the ballot. Oberdieck just confirmed it. [/QUOTE]

That should make Crashem happy.

So.... now we apparently have a VP and an Ex-Vp, who, in your words, Horrace, are going to "play" at this.

Who else is on the ballot? Perhaps "none of the above, try again"?

JR

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 2:35:59 AM   
Hossfly



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I still think both of you children (SF & HC) should withdraw as you are both tainted with poor actions.
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Hey JB, you're having a lucky day. You will have a 3rd nominee to choose from.

You can *withdraw* us.

You're so lucky. Maybe you can get a majority to do same. Now JB you have a mission. Go get 'em boy!

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Horrace Cain. AMA Life L-93, Leader and CD for 45 years
Christian TEXAN American Heterosexual PRO-GUN Conservative: Any Questions?

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 4:21:02 AM   
J_R


 

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It has occurred to me that you have accused the Nominating Committee in particular, and the EC in general, of playing politics with the nominating process. Not just currently, but in the last election as well. You assumed that your name would not appear on the ballot either time, if 4 or more nominees names were available.

So much for another one of your conspiracy theories. Maybe it is time to quit pointing fingers and count the number of fingers pointing back at yourself when you point that finger at others. It would bode well for you if you found out the circumstances of this nomination.

You have made public charges of that conspiracy. Do you think it might be time to make a public apology to those you pointed at?

JR

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 8:50:38 AM   
mongo


 

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Status: offline 		it would appear that we have our first write in candidate for D8.
see attached body of mass emailing i received.

"GREETINGS FELLOW HELI PILOTS

My name is Michael moss and I have been promoting heli flyins and the flying of helis for some time now.

You have probably received more that one email from me over the years inviting you to come enjoy our flyins at the larks or I have talked to you about our Mayday and Fall Fest heli funflys at one of the many flyins that I attend each year.

I have been putting my time into building our flyins up and have come to realize that if you fly helis that you are seen as a second class citizen in most clubs.

Some of the most skilled and technical flying is done by helicopter pilots and its time we had a voice in the RC community as specially in the AMA in District VIII.

I believe that we need someone in a leadership role that is involved on the front lines of what the RC community is doing and that will fight for the rights of a heli pilot to be treated right in his own club.

I want you to know that if you vote for me you are voting to help the hold heli community and that I will do my best to raise the respect level for heli pilots in D-VIII.

I am fixing to leave for Iraq in 8 days for about 2 months to help over their so I am sending this letter to you in hope that you will send it to everyone that you think would like a change. I will also be sending our fall fest flyer out in a day or so to get every thing started before I go over sea's.

your friend
Michael moss"

it fer sure aint gona be a dull election this time arround

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for muroc1, frank, none of the above is intended to be either bullying or insulting, it is just the way i communicate.

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 10:31:16 AM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		quote mongo

"it would appear that we have our first write in candidate for D8."

mongo,

once again, you are misinformed.

JR

< Message edited by J_R -- Jul 25 2003 5:46AM >

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 10:35:11 AM   
J_R


 

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In looking at Mike Moss's e-mail, you two should get along famously. Maybe.... if you two write back and forth enough, either or both of you may learn to write a letter or post.

JR

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 6:05:18 PM   
Red Scholefield



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Status: offline 		One question re: write in candidate Mike Moss.

Was his name submitted for nominatition and if so did he submit the necessary documents required by the process and meet the Leader Member requirements?

Red S
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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 7:38:47 PM   
abel_pranger


 

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Status: online 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Red Scholefield
One question re: write in candidate Mike Moss.

Was his name submitted for nominatition and if so did he submit the necessary documents required by the process and meet the Leader Member requirements?

Red S
AMA 951 [/QUOTE]

That sure sounds like a question you already know the answer to. What if? It's been suggested that "none of the above" would be a saner choice than either of the other two. Mongo makes a good point that that option has been made available.

Abel

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 7:59:08 PM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		Moss is on the ballot

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Election games have begun - 7/25/2003 8:46:53 PM   
mongo


 

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Status: offline 		i knew that there was talk amoungst the tribes of doing a write in campaign with mike. i wasn't aware that they had gotten their stuff together in time to get him on the ballot.
probably more heli flyers in d8 than there were votes for any one candidate in the last election. might be a recipie for change.

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for muroc1, frank, none of the above is intended to be either bullying or insulting, it is just the way i communicate.

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