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write in campaigns are really a PIA to pull off. hell, if the name is misspelled, they don't count the vote. any warm body would be able to do a much better job than the current simi warm occupant does. it is just a real shame, that most of the time, the truely well qualified and upstanding, will not even consider running for one of these offices, so we are left with the glory hounds and oppurtunist as fill in fodder.
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ROFLMAO
Horrace, what color will your spots be tomorrow? Seriously, how can you expect anyone to believe anything you say?
[COLOR=blue]Posted by Horrace Cain on 7/25/03[/COLOR] ___________________________________________ What others have or have not done will not be a subject for finger pointing. ___________________________________________
[COLOR=blue]Posted by Horrace Cain on 7/24/03[/COLOR] ___________________________________________ >>>>>>> I have never seen or heard anyone at the EC or HQ level claim that the entire dues increase was due to, or for, increased insurance. <<<<<<<,
Yep, smoke and mirrors do it every time. In my cabin up NAWTH, I have a cute little item that looks so much like a wood burning fireplace, simply by lights and reflective mirrors. A small electric heater is built in to provide adequate warm air for those cool early mornings and late evenings. Cozy!!!
From EC minutes: November 04, 2000, Mr. Holland brought up the topic of restructuring the AMA.
July 09, 2001, EVP reported working with lawyers on separating AMA assets. ---- Also discussed need for increase in member dues. -----
May 04, 2002, EVP uses AMA Marketing Director for explaining to EC how to make a dues increase "....sound rationale....to justify changes..."
The dues increase was in the making while politicians were planning how to make it sound rational and justified. The 2003 increase in allocation to this new high color MA is, in my opinion, a good batch of it, from 12 to $18. (Page 6) Where is that in the EC minutes? Guess it was part of a "Budget Approval".
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Horrace
You stated several things that you want to achieve. It's pretty much the same list as you have posted in prior campaigns.
I have some real questions for you.
How are you planning to sell the hobby as "outstanding family recreation". My observations at the fields I have been around is that there are a few father and son teams, and MAYBE a couple of wives or girlfriends present. Wives do not seem to "take" to this hobby. Most women (not all) come out a couple of times and that is enough, at least in my experience. I think some of the women present are looking for money to go shopping. Do you really see this hobby as competition for amusement parks, a day at the movies with the kids, or any of the traditional "family recreations"?
How do you intend to implement "Technically educational" programs? Maybe I misread the idea here.
How do you plan to fund and implement such a campaign. What media sources do you have in mind? As to the competition section included in this effort, how do you intend to sell it to the membership, when, in these very forums, they appear to prefer funflys in huge numbers, to rule book competition, which is what I believe you are talking about.
Exactly what paperwork would you eliminate the club officers having to do?
How would you implement the reduction of rules and keep the insurance from skyrocketing, specifically? Do you believe that the rules were put into place to deprive the membership of pleasure?
Now, I will grant that you listen, and even that you read what is written carefully. However.... In the time I have known you, I have never seen you alter your own opinion even once. What is the point of even listening when you take the attitude that your mind is made up and you do not want to be confused with the facts?
As far as your experience in real life is concerned, I think you need to keep in mind that you are running for VP of the AMA, not King of the AMA. IF you were elected, you show no signs of the ability to compromise. In my opinion, that would make you extremely ineffective. Many who know you say that you have some great ideas, but, that you could not sell heat to an Eskimo. They reject your ideas out of hand just because of your attitude of self-importance. How do you think you can overcome that in a situation where nothing can be done without the cooperation of others?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by J_R Horrace
You stated several things that you want to achieve. //SNIP//.
I have some real questions for you.
How are you planning to sell the hobby as "outstanding family recreation". //SNIP// Do you really see this hobby as competition for amusement parks, a day at the movies with the kids, or any of the traditional "family recreations"?
How do you intend to implement "Technically educational" programs? Maybe I misread the idea here.
How do you plan to fund and implement such a campaign. What media sources do you have in mind? As to the competition section included in this effort, how do you intend to sell it to the membership, when, in these very forums, they appear to prefer funflys in huge numbers, to rule book competition, which is what I believe you are talking about.
Exactly what paperwork would you eliminate the club officers having to do?
How would you implement the reduction of rules and keep the insurance from skyrocketing, specifically? Do you believe that the rules were put into place to deprive the membership of pleasure?
Now, I will grant that you listen, and even that you read what is written carefully. However.... In the time I have known you, I have never seen you alter your own opinion even once. What is the point of even listening when you take the attitude that your mind is made up and you do not want to be confused with the facts?
//SNIP// . IF you were elected, you show no signs of the ability to compromise. In my opinion, that would make you extremely ineffective. //SNIP// How do you think you can overcome that in a situation where nothing can be done without the cooperation of others?
JR [/QUOTE]
JR, when I first scanned this post, to put things mildly, I was a bit less than happy. However, after reading it again I saw that, in reality, you were extending to me an excellent opportunity to make some points, hopefully without violating RCU rules to the extent of the post disappearing from the forum. (You've noticed, I'm sure.) Thank You.
First: "Achieve" that would be great, however I stated "GOALS" -- the end toward which effort is directed -- and "SEEK" -- to try to obtain.
Questions: Not trying to sell anyone anything. Model Aviation IS an outstanding family recreation. How participants use the activity is their business. OTOH, to grasp opportunities to display a wholesome activity as one that can be of family value can only provide better recognition of that activity, especially from outsiders when negotiating activity facilities. "Do you really see.......". JR, I do hold a vision. Some don't. I remember when "Grid Leaks" back in 63/64 sometime stated that the recent Dallas NATs had proved that the idea of "proportional" RC was never going to be. I remember when others had a vision that someday one could fly a RC model with low wings and nearly scale. I remember, back in 1980, predicting that within 15 years small turbine engines would be common place. My vision then was poo-pooed. Maybe a few years later, but look at now. So be it.
Misread? Yep! Model aviation IS a technical item and it educates. Even with the current ARF status, a person that stays with RC learns, and/or develops additional technical skills. Technically Educational is and has always been here in model aviation. More material to stack up against *noise* when seeking flying sites and school programs.
Competition: Again JR, those AMA programs are available to those members that wish to use them. In publicity of modeling activities, this shows the diversity and opportunities that exist. When negotiating with civil officers, seeking media favorable attention, the stereotype of the Cox plastic CL model needs to be overcome. NO ONE is trying to FORCE and NO ONE is being FORCED into anything. So from simple hobby-in-the-workshop to International FAI competition, the spectrum is wide open and AMA opens the door for anyone to come in to whatever HIS INDIVIDUAL taste prefers. Personally I don't PLAN any additional financing of any campaign, yet I plan to identify, and make use of every available opportunity to promote model aviation and AMA's programs. Example: Every news-media would receive notifications about FAI teams, especially when returning victorious. If we pump long enough, the bucket will fill. As Calvin Coolidge said, "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
Insurance, Rules and Paperwork; At this time all I need to say is that I will pursue these objectives and my ideas of the time will be open for interested D-VIII members to provide inputs. I believe that within AMA ranks there are many experts in these fields . I will welcome their inputs. One needs to be aware of one's usable assets.
???? JR: "I have never seen you alter your own opinion even once." JR: "Horrace, what color will your spots be tomorrow?" After the 2002 fiasco, I said I wouldn't be back, but I'm here. ???
JR, everything done has many compromises. To pursue an objective requires compromises, and changes as one obtains more and better information. As a District VP, I can only suggest, lobby for, and try to get programs going, mostly that will happen after my time. Earl Witt, probably one of the best Presidents AMA ever had was lambasted on all sides, yet he laid all the ground work to get AMA out of DC's Red-Light district. Chuck Foreman, D-3 VP, got all the credit and DB enjoys all the results. However, I NEVER compromise my principles of fair, open and honest operations. If I do stray, there is always someone like you with a sharp boot blocking my jet exhaust, creating a puffy situation. So, JR many Thanks for providing this opportunity to provide the AMA District VIII voters with some clear air.
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Horrace,
I realize you are leaving shortly, so this will be my last post to you until you return.
I would like for you to take two concepts along with you to analyze.
The first is that when two or more people interact, a sale is made. It applies to every form of interaction. Either the proposition presented by one is bought, or it is rejected. The rejection is a sale by the party or body making the rejection. It applies to simple things, such as a boy and girl meeting, and to very complicated things, such as the legislative process, but, it does apply to every interaction.
The second concept is the application of power. In life there are lines of authority. It comes down to this. The worst boss tells his charges what to do. A good boss outlines what is to be accomplished and shepherds the process, allowing his charges some latitude in the way the goals are achieved. A great boss makes his charges think it was their idea and watches as the goals are achieved.
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>>>>>>>>>>> JR says:
The first is that when two or more people interact, a sale is made.
A great boss makes his charges think it was their idea and watches as the goals are achieved. <<<<<<<<<
Very good advice JR. I do have a tendency to forget.
Nothing happens in this country until something is sold.
I had a GREAT Boss once in the AF, a squadron commander that was a true "Steve Canyon". When as a 1st Lt. I crawled down out of that B-47 the last time before moving on to better things, he was there to meet me. He had recently gotten his eagle and was then Deputy Commander for Operations, yet he came to say goodbye to a 1st Looie. He had moral integrity to the nth degree. He was later promoted to work at 8th AF Hdqrs. under a general. the General had no use for moral integrity and he gave Col. D. a bad Effectiveness Report which resulted in Col. D's forced retirement.
My point is that all the sayings sound good but in the real world they are not always true. "He who hesitates is lost" and "All things come to him that sits and waits" do not complement each other. However, like Col. D., I rather be sent out to pasture than compromise moral principles.
Thanks anyway. Leaving Thurs for another 3 weeks.
Enjoy the respite.
BTW, I was asking JB about a 4 way Debate at the SWAC show. Think you can use your contacts to do it. Some Fun it would be.
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BTW, I was asking JB about a 4 way Debate at the SWAC show. Think you can use your contacts to do it. Some Fun it would be. [/QUOTE]
Horrace, You indicated elsewhere that you sent him a letter. Did you ever get a response from Sandy to this question or is he in New Mexico with all the Democratic State Senators?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hossfly No reply from DR. Frank as of this date and time.
To be fair, it may take a bit of research for him to find a spot within the schedule.
Still got a couple months. [/QUOTE]
I am still waiting for something from him on a forum he asked me to chair in February. In May he claimed it was a serious request and I told him I was ready. So, I suggest you not go on a diet waiting for a response. He is too busy sending political mail to worry about talking to anyone these days.
I was at my club's EC meeting tonight and it was astounding how many got his missive. Even more impressive is who didn't!
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Hi Jim
Why don't you write to Sandy Frank directly? At this point, it seems to be pretty much of a race between you and he. Why not see if he will have a public discussion with you at SWAC?
Why don't you write to Sandy Frank directly? At this point, it seems to be pretty much of a race between you and he. Why not see if he will have a public discussion with you at SWAC?
JR [/QUOTE]
As far as I have been able to tell he has been avoided any communication on the Internet except to folks out side District VIII and Bill Lee or Doug Powell. Maybe that is why SWAC suddenly became attached to election years (as was announced in different words yesterday on another forum).
>> >> the SWAC 2003 will be bigger and better than previously.... >> >> and will not be held for another 2 years.... >>
Now if you are suggesting snail mail, I don't know WHERE to write him! I put on our annual Labor Day event and someone mentioned the political mail they got from Muncie that turned out to be something for Sandy Frank. Another pointed out that one has to reside in District VIII to represent it and someone else asked if he had moved up there.
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No, he is too busy trying to get votes from various groups. Or so the jet guys complained.
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He isn't the only busy one.
I received TWO (2) emails from one Jim Branum soliciting MY vote.
Sorry JB, ain't gonna' happen! Besides you have plagerized my campaign a bit too much for my liking. However it does show good judgment on whom you choose to copy.
Went like this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For immediate release: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello folks. My name is James G. Branaum AMA #1428, a Leader Member, and I ???BIG SNIP??? would like youI believe that a strong and healthy AMA can help us all get and retain flying sites and privileges. Please write in my name //SNIP//
James G. Branaum
AMA //SNIP// <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Horrace Cain AMA 539 One O' them cani-date critters. By far the most well qualified to serve the AMA members. CL Stunt 1st place San Antonio circa 1966 Off to 1st place AF World Wide Champs C FF 1967 Sport RCer Instructor
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